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usual silly news from you folks at your propaganda centre!
michael hart a b.b.c journalist has written a book called THE ARABS in which he highlights that from 1971 onwards , it was agreed between the oil producers and industrialized countrys to give 1% g.d.p per year to developing countrys. he stated that the arabs kept the agreement and the christian western countrys never adhered to it at all!
western propaganda is all about false news of care and support, it gives in one hand and takes more in the other by interest payments and other ploys on the unsuspecting victimes.

all africa pays more then £400 million per day in interest payments which they cannot afford to do, mozambique pays over £260 per year per person in interest payments and can only afford to spend spend £1.87 per year to educate children per child!

for you thieves and robbers from the west its a good bargain promoting ignorant brainless african.asian,and south american morons so that they will not question the plundering of their states by installed dictators chosen "in democracy by the west" for they nefarious evil ends!

keep your charity at home, you need it to spend on your own ,especially on the veterans back from killing innocent people abroad fighting wars for israel!
they kill so called 16 taliban and murder over 800 innocents and then you call it just,democratic, creating freedom for which people should love you for?
we muslims want justice for the innocents murdered by your killers and charity who have lost loved ones, could anyone of you bastards please oblige???

Typical rubbish from a brit. Remember, to truly be intelligent in
"England" you have to be willing to participate in your own destruction. The English are the only people in Great Britain to
not have full representation in their own parliament. The Welsh,
the Irish, Scots, all have their own parliaments with 100% representation. Incredibly stupid people. When the Islamic republic finally sweeps aside Greece, Italy, etc, and destroys France (both from within and without), it will be the Americans who rescue the
Brits once again from the Islamic hordes. Thats of course, after we beat back the Russians and Chinese from our shores due to our own
brand of stupidity (liberals/Kenynesian spending).

[Edited]. No sillier religion exists on the planet.It should be outlawed everywhere. And your ignorance is astounding.
You are too stupid to see things clearly and rely on rable rousers for your informatiion.

Israel was one of the first countries to respond, with assistance in search and rescue as well as field hospitals. An Israeli military official, Gidi Shenar, said "We have been in several places in the world. We are bringing our knowledge and we are coming to assist the people over there and save lives. As fast as we can, we will be over there."

my question is , "are Rabbis coning to choose the best body parts from the injured?"

see IDF steals body parts form injured "terrorists" and "Rabbis busted in NJ for international body part ring.

If Islam is being accepted by the people of Haiti, it is of their own choice and their making.

Haiti is ostensibly a Christian nation and has always been so yet the Christian West has been sh*tting on them for two hundred years and before then mercilessly enslaving the Haitians.

So on reflecting on your convoluted, Caucasian-centric analysis of current affairs and history, I find myself unsurprised by your trite whitey take on issues.

I think that when paypack swings its way against the US, it will be as relentless and obscene as whatever experienced by the Haitian people.

While right wing nuts are busy kissing Israel and do whatever they can to put Israel first, second, and third...
here's a hearfelt piece of news - Gazans collecting aid for Haiti - http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1143436.html

Don't expect to see this on Fox news.

What abubaqar failed to mention was the mentality of Moslems who want to turn the world into an Moslem "one world" nation. He goes on about the evil west but fails to describe the delights that Sharia and Islam brings to a country such as murder, corruption and hypocrisy (and that's from their leaders). After all, the only reason Moslem countries have dragged themselves out of their mud brick houses was because us "evil" westerners helped them out. Oh, and the fact that Moslems stole technology from countries that they conquered and then claimed it as their own. When Moslem countries have a disaster they are the first ones to stick their hand out for help from "evil" westerners. If Moslems don't like the west and all it stands for then why do they come to live here? Oh that's right, because when they are in Britain they can have free social security, a house to stay in, free health care, have as many kids as they want, etc. Everything that they don't get back home in their so-called "great" Moslem country. Shame abubaqar is so blinded by a white man with a ginger beard (Mohammad) who likes 8 year old girls!

Excellent article!

How anyone, excepting uber-capitalists, could find fault with the "Islamic banking system" is a big big red flag.

Let's look at where we are and how we got here, pertaining to "our" criminal banking system.

"When you have usury, who needs alchemy?"

You obviously know little about Islamic/sharia finance/banking - and that's a big red flag.

Sharia Finance Watch

It's obvious that this economic jihad is designed to enslave us all under Islamic/sharia law - and it's obviously working if people are going around making such naive remarks.

Abubaqar - Does more bombastic blather from an Islamic blowhard as bothersome to thee as it is to me?

Im touched by the gazans...ouuhhhh they are soooo humble....thank you gazans... from now on im islam....we haitians are all islam

Thank you.
I'll accept being called "naive" as a compliment.
It has its advantages.

It's not nice to (try to) fool Mother Nature.

you are 100% right. i support you..

U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

Pentagon Supplier for Rifle Sights Says It Has 'Always' Added New Testament References.

Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.

How silly we all know only Muslim inscribe religious texts on weapons. Obviously Muslims have taken over ABC News.

Not for a woman it's not.

Would you rather be a woman in Israel or Saudi Arabia?

Archarya S

If you knew a little about the history of the world, or of women or even of Islam, you would reflect on this:
1. Islam gave women the vote 1400 years ago, Britain only allowed women to vote 50 years ago.
2. Girl babies were saved from the pre-Islamic practice of being buried alived with the advent of Islam, female feotuses are killed even before they are born in many democratic western socities.
3. Islam encourages women to dress with dignity, western designers design clothes to see how much of the female form can be undressed.
4. A woman in Saudi Arabia will be driven by a family male, accompanied by a family male and be protected, in Isreal she's likely to be kidnapped and sold into sexual slavery.
5. If any of by observations regarding the west are misconceptions, they're miniscule compared to your obeservations regarding Islam.

Yes, thank you. I am aware of all the Islamic propaganda. Sorry, but I can actually see with my own two eyes what is happening on this planet vis-a-vis Islam and Muslims.

Here is some material of use to others who have Islamist propaganda thrown at them:

How to Debate a Muslim

And here is an article about the real rights of women in Islam:

Women's Rights in Islam

Seems to me that you zionists are hard work slandering the Muslim religion and peoples. While I do enjoy occasionally debating with zionists and their nutty ziochristians side kicks, I spend my time downloading entire websites or screen capture bloggs like yours and the links you provide.

I then circulate the information and screen captures on various forums and news sites to all nationals and religions.

I do this to expose zionist degeneracy to the world and hope to sow animosity between humanity and repulsive creatures like you. And you know what, people are quietly watching you vile zionists spill your hateful guts and are well aware of what you are up to. There will come point when the ground you stand up on will be repelled by your soulless presence.

Would you rather be a war criminal or not? Saudi woman live very comfortable lives and it has no bearing on Haiti or the zionist violations of Palestine.

Put then again, Saudi women are not forcibly made to shave their hair like Jewish women, suadi women are not forciblly made to have sex through a hole in the bedsheets nor treated as unclean like Jewish women.

Jewish women need to be freed from zionist fanatics and rabbinical terror.

Being a woman in Israel = being a war criminal? How preposterous and calumnious.

And Saudi women are FREER? Absolutely nonsense. You raise one straw man after another.

First of all, tThe significance that this piece has with Israel and Saudi Arabia occurred when someone said it would be better for HAITI to be Islamized than Zionized.

Secondly, no one said anything about being an ultra-Orthodox Jewish woman, so what follows from you is a logical fallacy. A female citizen in Israel in general has a much better life than one in Saudi Arabia. Saudi women can't even leave the house without being covered in black, including their faces, often in sweltering heat - that's enough to disprove your claims right there. This custom is a completely evil necessity based on the savagery of the men.

It is a well known fact that Israel is a misogynistic society. Violence against women is endemic with the religious extremist attacking women for wearing women's clothing, the leadership and government officials regularly accused of rapes and molestation of young women and the massive Israeli sex slave trade.

Israel is anti-women and anti-freedom.

Sex slavery wherever it may be found, including in Israel, is deplorable. As I have stated repeatedly, I am no great fan of Israel.

However, the comparison came up here - not by me - that it was better to be Islamized than Zionized. Hence, I answered that it would be far better to be a woman in Israel than Saudi Arabia. Nothing here has changed that opinion.

I am not talking about being a sex slave brought in from Russia or elsewhere - again, such crime is deplorable and needs to be stopped. Good luck with that - I've got my hands full, but I'll be sure to blog it if I can find enough reputable sources to cite.

In the meantime, I was specifically talking about female citizens of Israel who enjoy many more rights than countless of the Middle East's women. First and foremost, Israeli women have the right not to be married off in an arranged marriage to a man they don't love! (Again, not talking about the ultra-Orthodox Haredi here.)

Then there's that little thing about not covering oneself entirely in black, in the sweltering heat. (Again, not the Haredi - they are a strange lot as well.)

I could go on...and on...

No. no, I am not taking about sex slavery as an idea or a hypothetical horror for you to generalise about. I am talking about Israel's prominent role in the international white woman sex slave trade.

It is uniquely reprehensible form of exploitation reliant upon enticing young woman to Israel, false imprisonment and rape upon rapes to break young girls' wills so they may no longer have a regard for their own womanhood. What is remarkable is the uniquely selective processes of Israel sex slave criminal traders; they only deal in none Jewish or none Israeli woman. Even Israeli criminals are racist zionists!

The us warmonger machine denied FRANCE to land with their portable hospital at the Port au prince airport. instead they had to go to Dominican republic and by land into haiti--Many more have died because of this.More blood on amerika's hands. The AMERIKAN PUPPETT BAN KI MOON OF KOREA was singing praise for his master9check his bank account(S)..nOT ONE STORY OF cHINA OR CUBA DOING THEIR GOOD WORKS IN HAITI--Cuba has hundreds of doctors AND is operating a full fledge hospital AND HAS ALREADY SAVED HUNDREDS..THANK YOU CUBA ..

What a load of nonsense, this article should have been written for vegetables only. If every one who lived in a Muslim country had to convert willingly or forcefuly then there wouldn't be any Christian or Jew left in these countries. You thrive on misinformed people in the West to inject your poison. You pretend being caring Christians who are so worried about other Christians who might fall into this monstrous Islamic nation but you never highlight the hell Haiti ans have been going through due to US and Western capitalist monsters. Before this disaster Haiti had more then 20000 US soldiers and another 10000 just moved in. This land has been torn to pieces by Capitalist sharks and that is the reason why the army is there to protect your investments. Say one thing and do another, this is your motto, philosophy and religion. You thrive on lies and mischief, putting Christians against Muslims is your best game, wars are your best money source. The World is watching but not all of them are dummies, your time is coming and for sure your end is near.
Oh Christians, Muslims and real Jews unite against these monsters before it's too late. We believe in the same God (Allah, Elloh, Ellohim, Jehova ...), so forget our differences and focus on the most fundamental things (SAVE HUMANITY FROM THE CLAWS OF THE DEVIL).

Who the hell are you talking to, freaking weirdo?

Is that a threat against Acharya?

You may have some interesting info about the exploitation of Haiti, but it's TOO BURIED IN DEMENTIA to read.

Go away, nut job.

Acharya, you should report this person for death threats.

Ya right will Haiti be islamized. So will Mars be islamized too. Not much chance for both.

So, what you're saying is that you really don't know anything about this subject.

What's all this insane trash? If that's supposed to make me like Islam, it ain't working.

Seeing how you abuse and insult people like Acharya and ther est of our intelligence, I hate Islam even more now. If it makes violent angry nut jobs full of bullsh*t like you, it's gotta be bad.

First of all, nutter, ancient Babel had NOTHING to do with you or Islam, so that's all bullsh*t. And that's just the start of your stupid crap.

Second, where's Acharya ever said that Israel is her favorite country? You're full of sh*t.

I agree. The guy shows Islam for what it is. Horrible and scary. Thanks! I think I'll dedicate my life to destroying Islam now that you've proved what everybody says about it is is true. It obvously makes people sick and hateful. Wow.

If you look back at Christianity you will find we have been in exactly the same place Islam is today. It is just that the weapons were different and the psychology some what cruder.
We should also remember that the Catholic church exists because the Romans couldn't defeat Christianity because it's 'then' martyrs' were not afraid of death (sound familiar). So they adopted it as their own. How's that for clever?
Then Henry the Eighth comes along and has a hissy fit because he can't go around bonking whoever he wanted to. And 'ding,' here come the protestants.
I mean, come on, what the hell is going on. I have spent most of my near six decades on this mental hospital planet, which, incidentally, is run by the inmates, trying to make sense of 'all' popular religions and came to the conclusion that the whole concept of 'god' is fundamentally flawed. The reason for this is that 'IF' there was such a thing as a god, there would be absolutely no doubt, from any of us, that God exists. There would be no argument whatsoever and as long as there is an argument about any creed or faith, then that faith, by the very nature of the fact that it raises questions, cannot be a true faith.
My conclusion, even though I am still a seeker of knowledge and truth and I believe that we are all one flesh (how can we be anything else), is that there is no God, per se, only consciousness. Nothing can exist in any reality without consciousness to acknowledge it's existence. Therefore, in my opinion, we are all little bits of consciousness experiencing itself. And with that belief, I find no need to argue or kill to get my point across, purely and simply because I don't have a point. It is plainly obvious to anyone who has their mind open.

Tim T, first thing you need is a brain to think with which is sadly missing between your ears. if a sh*thead like you can understand what i wrote you will notice that i am not against anyone generally only wrong doing or false information being presented as by acharya in these anti-islamic blogs!

all history of the hebrews or early christians you had the law called torah by the hebrews and the first fundamental part was
1) that the lord our god is one!

same answer was given to the satanic rabbi who asked jesus (pbuh)of the 1st commandment in new testament.... the lord our god is one after nearly 5000 years after moses (pbuh) first brought this belief into the world.

all cultures in history have this belief and religions, only the miscreants and devils people added other gods to belief of the one god commonto all men as in xtianity, where no where in the new testament there is a shred of evidence for the false belief in the trinity!

in 1971 the xtian scholars revised the king james bible and eradicated the verses of the trinity because they were nowhere to be found in any gospels!!!

so any christiian has to think, if there was no son how could the sacrifice have happened for worlds sins and if there was no holy ghost then where is the redemption?

i do not mean to offend anyones faith, i am just stating some facts for all to read, faith is your own business, its your claim i am challenging as anyone has a right to challenge us muslims too!

keith, the koran states for people like yourself, that how can you deny god? when you were nothing and He created you! and He will cause you to die and resurrect you again!

does consciousness come first or the human being?

i wish you success in your search for purpose of life as gods creation. people have their holy books and we have ours, read it with an open mind and see if what you looking for is in there or elsewhere, you have been given intelligence so use it and recognise the words of your lord!

lastly, i like to challenge anyone on this blog to present to all one verse which is antihuman or antianimal kingdom or is illogical or is of sexually offensive nature from the koran!

the christian bible states that all scripture is profitable for :
1) doctrine
2)correction
3) reproof
4)instructions onto righteousness

this is 2 timothy 3:16 so please judge the koran within these guidelines and then enlighten me as to what you find.

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."

-- Omar M. Ahmad, founder of Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)

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"This religion [Islam] will destroy all other religions through the Islamic Jihad fighters"

-- Jordanian/Palestinian School Book 1998

nuff said

How can anyone NOT believe that the 53 year old Mohammed , after bonking his nine year old wife - flew on a winged donkey with the face and breasts of a woman to the 'furthest mosque'? Or that he split the moon by pointing at it with his finger?

Shame on you, you devilish, evil, unbelieving white people.

As Abubaqar says above "the white western european male is the most evil ,sadistic, ignorant creature on the face of the earth, his masters being zionist jews"

He is of sound mind and even tempered and knows no bias.

You just wait, we will outbreed and smite you, you filthy apes and pigs

But in the meantime, give us a break won't you - believe us when we say we are the religion of peace and the most advanced religion of all. And give us aid and treat us as though we mean you no harm and let us tell you we have no desire to turn the world into an Islamic state. And give us all your technology that we may advance together. Remember - we mean you no harm. And just ignore that increasing number that call themselves 'muslims' by committing the most destructive acts possible. They have misunderstood Islam. It is only people like myself who truly understand it.

mr islam sucks, can you write the context of the statements you posted.

most western morons understand jihad as killing infidels or other rubbish like that whereas its a struggle against your own self to live and be under the commands of god!

when muslim fighters came back from a battle, the prophet mohammed stated that " welcome back from the little jihad to the greater jihad" and he went on to explain himself what it means which you trouble causers forget to write here conveniently!

when jesus returns in his 2nd coming he will be a muslim and follower of islam , can you really see him going for a pint in the local pub or club then see all those western women supposedly free (as acharya wants muslim women to be) dancing naked or topless and going home to sleep after a night out?

he will be horrified at the christianity you people portray or the rubbish you fob as truth, look at your society!!

it is the epitome of antichristian activity in every way for all. what was forbidden is lawful, what was lawful is forbidden according to your religious laws.

why do you not open your eyes and see what jesus preached is no different to what muslims are saying to you, in the best interests of humanity.

you follow your own whims and fancies and tell us that yours is the true way when you do not even follow jesus teachings at all.
according to your own religious scriptures your end is not nice for what you do and promote.

Acharya S is graceful enough to provide a link to Women's rights in Islam which she herself authored. What crap!

Here's an interesthing example she wrote, "Muslim women have the right to be gang-raped if they are caught alone on the
street." Wow!What lies, more lies than Bush ever spewed out in his 8 years as president.

Then she provides a link to Robert Spencer - an extremist, liar, anti-Islam, who claims he's an expert in Islam. Anyone who learns Islam from an extremist and liar like Robert Spencer, is an extremist herself.

Nothing good comes out of Acharya S or Robert Spencer, just pure lies and hatred.

What I have written in my "Women's Rights in Islam" are facts, as they have developed within the Muslim world, based on Islamic law and the looking of the other way when it comes to violence against women.

Your abuse is indicative of your own obvious misogyny, undoubtedly inculcated during your Muslim indoctrination, which is blatantly evident.

You need to stop going around spreading calumny, vitriol and libel against people you do not know in the least. Such is very immoral behavior, which is at the very root of our complaint against Islam: To wit, it is aggressively violent against the "other," i.e., infidel, and is no respecter of persons.

While I can't vouch for Spencer's character, he consistently presents the facts about Islam, using not only Islamic texts but also the very easily verifiable history of Islamist expansionism and imperialism.

You have not refuted a single thing - all you have done is engage in a long personal attack that is false and immoral.

Meanwhile, while you are spewing hatred at me and Spencer, women are suffering under Islamic oppression. Nothing has changed, except that you have added yourself to the gang of thugs piling on and abusing others.

Thank you for the example of thuggery we can all expect when we speak up about global Islamization.

Quotes from the Koran

mr ross, you have a right to your unbelief rightly or wrongly.
your post is usual attempt to defame and denigrate the prophet mohammed, perhaps in your knowledge base can you please inform the readers here as to why did the contemporarys of the prophet... his enemies all embraced his teachings and accepted islam?

why did the emperor of rome at that time heraclius also accept him as a prophet?

did they not know that he was a vile man according to you?

why did these people never raise any questions regarding his integrity,dignity,honesty,moral behaviour,teachings,or his dealings with all concerned???

perhaps you could enlighten me to the fact as to why they were blinded being there and were his enemies and you are not today in this day and age?

why did these people of renown never use any personal failings of the prophet against him to stop people accepting islam???

mr ross, you are barking up a wrong tree, whether by proselytation or breeding, the prophecy of the koran will be fulfilled regarding islams supremacy, the religion of all prophets of god!

Mr Abubaqr

How did i denigrate the great prophet? What did I say that was not true? Did I say he was a vile man?

But let us be factual with our statements , brother Abubaqr. Please, can you tell us which Roman emperor you refer to who when you state "......why did the emperor of rome at that time heraclius also accept him as a prophet?"

given that in 395, the Western and Eastern halves of the Roman Empire split and that by 455 the emperor had ceased to be a relevant figure. There was NO Roman empire in 500AD. You must be referring to the Emperor Heraclius of the Byzantine Empire - a Christian born in Turkey.

Yes - he must have been very convinced of the Mighty Mo's prophethood - so much so that he spent a lot of his life forcing people in his region to convert to Christianity.

Your statement "..why did these people never raise any questions regarding his integrity,dignity,honesty,moral behaviour,teachings,or his dealings with all concerned???"

Yes - what happens to people in Islamic countries if they openly question 'his integrity,dignity,honesty,moral behaviour,teachings,or his dealings with all concerned ???'??? What happened to people in Nazi Germany if questions of Hitler's integrity were brought up.

You write:

"perhaps you could enlighten me to the fact as to why they were blinded being there and were his enemies and you are not today in this day and age?"

Your grammar is a little off the rails in that sentence - what exactly are you trying to say? When you say "...they were blinded being there" - do you refer to Bukhari 8.794 when the great prophet stole the sight of human beings who had caused him no personal harm?

"Bukhari 8.794: Narrated Anas: Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine). They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophet ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die."


Such ungrateful people weren't they?? How dare they exercise their own personal freedom and revert from Islam!!!! And after even being given advice from the prophet to drink camel's urine.

They are nearly as ungrateful as these miscreant Christians - sons of apes and pigs as the koran tells us:

"Among them were many Christians who had accepted Islam, but when dissension had developed in Islam had said, "By God, our religion from which we have departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and seizing properties." And they returned to their former religion. Al-Khirrit met them and said to them, "Woe unto you! Do you know the precept of Ali regarding any Christian who accepts Islam and then reverts to Christianity? By God he will not hear anything they say, he will not consider any excuse, he will not accept any repentance, and he will not summon them to it. His precept regarding them is immediate cutting off of the head when he gets hold of them." (Tabari, volume 17, pages 187, 18."

Such ungrateful, evil people - I wish I were alive then myself to smite them on allah's behalf.

And still to this day - they do not take the prophet's freely given medical advice :

"Bukhari 4.537: Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease."

No wonder their medical science still does not surpass the marvels of Islamic medicine.

Mr Abubaqar you misunderstand me when you write:

"you are barking up a wrong tree, whether by proselytation or breeding, the prophecy of the koran will be fulfilled regarding islams supremacy, the religion of all prophets of god!"

Islam is the religion of the Hejazi arabs - it says so in the Koran. I'd be the last person to hurt your feelings by bursting your bubble of belief about the supremacy of the Islamic religion.

Like you - I , too ,hope that those corrupt Infidels won't look past the pretense and see the corrupt underside of Islam and strike back ferociously when some of our brothers overstep the mark once too often and murder a large number of these disgusting untermenschen - the Infidels. I also hope they don't read the life of Mohammed and find out he personally actually killed and tortured people. Then they would call him a murderer.

I also hope the word doesn't get around that he had at least 11 wives - then they would call him a polygamist. Or that he had a nine year old wife when he was 53 years old. Then they could call him a pedophile.

Those sick, blind Infidels. They do not realise that Mohammed could do whatever he liked - and did. Who are they to judge the perfect man, which we try to emulate - but do not idolise.

Go for it , Mr. Abubaqr, you tell them how deluded they are.

mr ross, you present as evidence so many red herrings that i may not be able to do justice to them all, but i will try.

what was the punishment for those who murder or kill people like you wrote about in that time period?

these people stole,murdered and you expect the prophet to do no justice to those who lost loved ones???

this is the same prophet who stated clearly,that if his daughter was to steal he would be the first to enjoin cutting off her hands! because justice is for all equally,unlike your modern version where mr bush can kill millions by lying to the world and then state this is freedom for those concerned!!!

as for those leaving islam after accepting it, please provide where and when they heads were cut off in history by ali or the prophet himself?
perhaps you are not aware that the fly has tubules on its body if you look at in a microscope, when a fly is pushed deeper into water, the water pressure bursts them open releasing other bacteria which are as an antidote to what ever it is carrying. i know this from a scientific study i read once on the subject!

one of the worlds greatest scientist was hakim abu sina who wrote the cannon of medicine which was used in the west for over 800 years and was never bettered for at least 450 years, it was a compendium of traditional medicine used in the east and west even upto today of over a million words, most of the work of avicenna was based on the koranic guidelines.

as for supremacy of islam, wait and see as little as 25 years and then talk to me. you will not have to wait 100,300 or more years inshallah!

please list the corrupt side of islam as you state point by point and give evidence as to when and where the prophet personally killed or totured anyone in his life!

as you know, paedophilia is a hidden act, not open, and when a marriage is conductedd openly by a girls family,tribe,community, it is not paedophilia, and neither were they following american or eurocentric laws of today. can you list one piece of evidence fron any source where the girl ayesha objected to the marriage,her family,her tribe or the community including the contemporary jews and christians or pagans?

lastly, why do you not tell the readers here that his other marriages were to elderly widows who had no one to care for them or to ladies from other tribes so that fratricidal wars could stop which benefitted no one! when a person married into the other tribe ,the arabs stopped warring on them.

why do you not tell the readers here that the prophets first marriage was to a lady 15 years his senior and after she died he was alone for 2 years and then married a 80 year old widow who had no one to care for her! all his marriages were to widows or divorcees, only ayesha was a single woman and one of the reasons was that she recorded and kept alive the teachings for posterity due to her memoery as a young person.

also he married a jewess and a christian lady, how does this make them infidels as you state and we love and respect them equally!
as you are a scholar of islam , please do us brainwashed muslims and come to talk to us openly in any western country so that mankind can have the peace it seeks, you do not have to go to any muslim country in case of danger as you falsely state. we love to reason and discuss ,this is your privelege and right!

Mr "the white western european male is the most evil ,sadistic, ignorant creature on the face of the earth" Abubaqr , ever full of wisdom and compassion, but who obviously does not agree with the statement that Racism is the lowest form of human stupidity, but Islamophobia is the height of common sense, writes :

" mr ross, you present as evidence so many red herrings that i may not be able to do justice to them all, but i will try."

Red herrings are a device used to distract the audience from the truth. The truth in this case is the salience of the beliefs , practices and effects of following your cult. Where are the red herrings?

".....what was the punishment for those who murder or kill people like you wrote about in that time period?"

So let's get this straight. Your 7th century arabian self-appointed 'prophet' who somehow thinks he acts on behalf of a universal consciousness and creative energy - thinks that it is quite OK to follow the barbaric practices of his time and kill people without trial? And rather than just kill then, cut off their limbs, blind them with red hot pokers - and leave them to die from blood loss? What has happened in the meantime - that Western and Chinese societies have developed far more humane laws and punishments? Was not the 'holy prophet' in touch with bliss, universal awareness and compassion? Why did he not break the mould by not dishing out cruel and vindictive summary justice - with absolutely no authority?

"these people stole,murdered and you expect the prophet to do no justice to those who lost loved ones???"
The 'prophet' had no authority to do anything. The Romans 700 years before had courts and civilian and military trials. You'd think the arabs could have picked something up in that time wouldn't you? So your 'holy prophet' was nothing other than a local warlord.

"this is the same prophet who stated clearly,that if his daughter was to steal he would be the first to enjoin cutting off her hands! "

he may have said this - but, as with other parts of the Koran - he could later abrogate and say virtually 'that was then, but Allah has given me new rules now'. Much like you yourself do when trying to whitewash the barbaric deeds of your cult leader.

".....because justice is for all equally,unlike your modern version where mr bush can kill millions by lying to the world and then state this is freedom for those concerned!!!"

from the Sira of Ibn Hisham;

“The apostle had ordered that every adult of Banu Qurayza (Jewish tribe) should be killed... Then the apostle went out to the market of Madina and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches... There were 600 or 700... Then the apostle divided the property, wives and children of Banu Qurayza among the Muslims... The apostle had chosen one of the women for himself, Rayhana daughter of Amr"

Yes - just like Hitler - Mo kept his hands clean - and got others to do his dirty work. The same in any hierarchy .


".....as for those leaving islam after accepting it, please provide where and when they heads were cut off in history by ali or the prophet himself?"

That is really a moot point - though not to say that that never happened. In order for his cult to continue to expand after his demise (yes, sorry Abu, Mo no longer exists) - ways had to be devised to lock existing followers in and expand their numbers. Not content with raping and pillaging their way across the middle east and north Africa - and 'inviting' captives to 'convert' to Islam or die - the strategy of brutal (and capital) punishment for apostates was adopted.



"......perhaps you are not aware that the fly has tubules on its body if you look at in a microscope, when a fly is pushed deeper into water, the water pressure bursts them open releasing other bacteria which are as an antidote to what ever it is carrying. "

Actually I work in a hospital - and have just shown your sentence to a pathologist. He laughed his head off. Don't worry - I haven't shown him words from your leader: ""Bukhari 4.537: Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease."

Nothing about 'tubules' there BTW - he refers to wings. One has the disease and one has the antidote. Hey, maybe you're onto something here - care to take this 'discovery' down to your local hospital - and really do some good and save lives? OK, OK, I hear you - Infidel's etc - OK then take it to a Muslim hospital!



"......i know this from a scientific study i read once on the subject!"

well - it must be true then, if you read it. Just like your Burak - the flying winged donkey with the face and breasts of a woman.

one of the worlds greatest scientist was hakim abu sina who wrote the cannon of medicine which was used in the west for over 800 years and was never bettered for at least 450 years, it was a compendium of traditional medicine used in the east and west even upto today of over a million words, "

Ah yes, Avicenna, from central Asia - not an Arab at all.. Ibn Sīnā developed a medical system that combined his own personal experience with that of Islamic medicine, the medical system of the Greek physician Galen,[15] Aristotelian metaphysics[16] (Avicenna was one of the main interpreters of Aristotle),[12] and ancient Persian, Mesopotamian and Indian medicine.

Just like his contemporaries in mathematics - he developed on already established themes - off the shoulders of the works of the Greeks, Indians and Persians. And I'm not ignorant enough to say that very bright people have been born throughout history all over the world. But in terms of what good it has done Islamic society in general - there's very little evidence on the ground these days.

"....as for supremacy of islam, wait and see as little as 25 years and then talk to me. you will not have to wait 100,300 or more years inshallah!......"
Islam's footsoldiers as no doubt you rather romantically imagine yourself to be are in fact just a rabble - with zero military power and decreasing political influence. Instead of destabilising Western cultures - which is your aim - the harder you try - the more you destabilise yourselves - as the societies become aware of the threats your aims and methods present. As western muslims become more educated - they tend to lose their myopic muslim world view. Basically most of the troublke comes from 18 to 40 year old males with chips on their soldiers because the world sees them as something quite less the cream of humanity - contrary to what they are told by their religion and families.



"......please list the corrupt side of islam as you state point by point"

If you think that stonings, amputations, clitorectomy, dimishment of human rights, women's rights, slavery, capital punishment for apostasy - ambitions of world dominations, dhimmitude are all OK - then I admit I have no case.

" and give evidence as to when and where the prophet personally killed or totured anyone in his life!"

Do you mean PERSONALLY tortured or killed anyone - as in HITLER never PERSOANLLY tortured or killed anyone???
Or are we allowed to include killing by direct order? In which case I repeat:

""Bukhari 8.794: Narrated Anas: Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine). They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophet ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die.""


Any you haven't responded BTW to the negation of human rights and freedom of chice in this paragraph:

""Among them were many Christians who had accepted Islam, but when dissension had developed in Islam had said, "By God, our religion from which we have departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and seizing properties." And they returned to their former religion. Al-Khirrit met them and said to them, "Woe unto you! Do you know the precept of Ali regarding any Christian who accepts Islam and then reverts to Christianity? By God he will not hear anything they say, he will not consider any excuse, he will not accept any repentance, and he will not summon them to it. His precept regarding them is immediate cutting off of the head when he gets hold of them." (Tabari, volume 17, pages 187, 18."

It would almost make you think that Islam is the religion of tyrants wouldn't it. Or that the people who follow it do so because of the comfort and 'certainty' of blindly following its archaic rules. Nothing to do with freedom and discovery and self-realisation and self-discovery and respect for the individual's right to make his / her own determinations at all.


"..... as you know, paedophilia is a hidden act, not open, and when a marriage is conductedd openly by a girls family,tribe,community, it is not paedophilia,"

A very poor excuse to justify your leader's worse than poor behaviour. Pedophilia is simply attraction to and sex with a child. There is no social context attached to it.


"......and neither were they following american or eurocentric laws of today."

Funny how, despite their differences, Russian and even Chinese law is so similar to 'eurocentric' law isn't it? Basically it all bloilsd donw to fairness and punishments fitting the crimes.

"....can you list one piece of evidence fron any source where the girl ayesha objected to the marriage,her family,her tribe or the community including the contemporary jews and christians or pagans?"
There is certainly evidence that other people objected to it. You think his other wives though nothing of it? Do you seriously think that if she HAD objected to it - it would be written down in the Koran or Hadiths? Don't you think that would have given any people averse to the gentle persuasions of Islam down through the ages - direct evidence that the holy prophet was in fact a sick, narcisstic pedophile. Obviously they would not have recorded it and instead you read what you read today, where lovely little Aisha was playing with dolls in the daytime but having sex with a 53 (yes, folks FIFTY THREE) year old 'prophet' at night.

And if she did not object to it - it was either because she was so societally undeveloped that she didn't know that she COULD object - or perhaps it was because she was never asked. What soirt of respect does it show for an individual's right to their own childhood - that a middle aged man can decide have sex with her? Night after night for years remember.





" lastly, why do you not tell the readers here that his other marriages were to elderly widows who had no one to care for them or to ladies from other tribes so that fratricidal wars could stop which benefitted no one! when a person married into the other tribe ,the arabs stopped warring on them."

Mo only started wars where he was sure he would win and benefit - so if he wanted to marry an old lady (golddigging?) that was his business. But 11 wives? Come on - how many warring parties were there that he had to save by marrying so many ?

"why do you not tell the readers ..."
I thought the last paragraph was 'lastly'....


"here that the prophets first marriage was to a lady 15 years his senior and after she died he was alone for 2 years and then married a 80 year old widow who had no one to care for her!......."

And he liked them old too ? That's the first I've heard of it. 80 year old - that does sound like gold digging!!

"all his marriages were to widows or divorcees, only ayesha was a single woman ......"
You have a rather strange idea of what a woman is. Aisha was a very young pre-pubescent 9 year old girl that he first set eyes on when she was six.

"....and one of the reasons was that she recorded and kept alive the teachings for posterity due to her memoery as a young person."

Ah yes , such wonderful memories:

"Abdullah b. Shihab al-Khaulani reported: I stayed in the house of 'A'isha and had a wet dream (and perceived its effect on my garment), so (in the morning) I dipped both (the clothes) in water. This (act of mine) was watched by a maid-servant of A'isha and she informed her. She (Hadrat A'isha) sent me a message: What prompted you to act like this with your clothes? He (the narrator) said: I told that I saw in a dream what a sleeper sees. She said: Did you find (any mark of the fluid) on your clothes? I said: No. She said: Had you found anything you should have washed it. In case I found that (semen) on the garment of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) dried up, I scraped it off with my nails."


"as you are a scholar of islam ,"

Thankyou for the compliment but not at all. Indeed your insights such as Mo marrying an 80 year old have helped me further in my understanding of Islam.

" please do us brainwashed muslims and come to talk to us openly in any western country so that mankind can have the peace it seeks, "

What are you saying - that brainwashed muslims need to be spoken to in Western countries in order for mankind to have peace???? Are you making a backhanded agreement with the statement that 'Muslims are nature's way of saying multiculturalism is a bad idea'?

Come to think of it, society was quite peaceful prior to muslim arrival - so I guess you do have a point there.

"....you do not have to go to any muslim country in case of danger as you falsely state...... "

There you go again - is this another example of taqqiya? When did I falsely state I would be in danger if I went to a muslim country?

For readers : The word "al-taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of imminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury." In political terms, it is used by critics of Islam to describe what they see as intentional concealment of Islamic doctrines in order to gain influence and deceive so-called "enemies of Islam".


In any case what danger would I possibly be in in a muslim country - countries where I personally have never done any being any harm? After all , muslims are so tolerant, warm, open, free from hate aren't they?

"....we love to reason and discuss ,this is your privelege and right!"

Indeed it is - but I know that - I don't have to be told it.

In summary - I can do no better than to relay the goals and insights of ex-Muslims, people who have grown up in and become immersed in your cults beleifs and practices.


What we believe:

Some of us have embraced other religions but most of us have simply left Islam without believing in any other religion. We believe in humanity. We believe that humans do not need to follow a religion to be good. All we need to follow is the Golden Rule. All we have to do is to treat others the way we expect to be treated. This is the essence of all the goodness. All good religious teachings stem from this eternal principle. This is the ultimate guidance humanity need. This is the Golden Rule.

Why Mohammed was not a prophet:

One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives and their “right hand possessions” (Quran 33:50) He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way. Muhammad was a narcissist like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.

Why Quran is not from God:

Muhammad produced no miracles and when pressed he claimed that his miracle is the Quran. Yet a cursory look at the Quran reveals that this book is full of errors. Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities, grammatical errors and ethical fallacies. It is badly compiled and it contradicts itself. There is nothing intelligent in this book let alone miraculous. Muhammad challenged people to produce a “Surah like it” or find an error therein, yet Muslims would kill anyone who dares to criticize it. In such a climate of hypocrisy and violence truth is the first casualty.

What is our goal?

We are apostates of Islam. We denounce Islam as a false doctrine of hate and terror. However we are not against Muslims who are our own kin and relatives. We do not advocate hate and violence. Muslims are the main victims of Islam. Our goal is to educate them and let them see the truth. We are against Islam and not the Muslims. We strive to bring the Muslims into the fold of humanity. Eradicate Islam so our people can be liberated, so they can prosper and break away from the pillory of Islam. We would like to see Islamic countries dedicate more time to science and less time to Quran and Sharia. We would like to see them prosper and contribute to human civilization. We would like to see the draconian laws of Islam eliminated and people are treated humanely. We strive for freedom of beliefs, for equality of gender and for oneness of mankind.

Mankind’s biggest challenge:

Today the humanity is facing a great danger. Islamic fundamentalism is on the rise and the hatred is brewing in the minds of millions of Muslims. This hatred must be contained or there would be disastrous consequences. We believe that the education is the only answer. Muslim intellectuals must realize that Islam is a false doctrine and they must let the rest of Islamic world know the truth. Islam is a religion that thrives on the arrogant assumption that it is the most logical, the most scientific and the most perfect religion. While the fact is that it is the stupidest doctrine — the most backward and absurd belief. Once the truth about Islam becomes common knowledge, it will be weakened and the Islamic fanaticism will lose its fangs. Hundreds of billions of dollars are being expended to combat Islamic terrorism, yet no effort is made to contain the ideology behind this terrorism. It is our belief that Islamic terrorism will not be eliminated unless and until the ideology behind it is exposed and eradicated. This is what we intend to do.

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mr ross, again you keep throwing red herrings in our discussion.

keep to a point by point discussion for the benefit of readers here so that i can provide you with factual proof and not hearsay or make believe what you are doing.

also, it does not make any impression on me that you are an apostate from islam, what you do is only beneficial to your own soul or loss!

you mention the bani qurayzha a jewish tribe who was involved in attacking muslims from behind them at the battle of khandaq in islamic history, when pagans attacked the prophet and his companions to wipe islam off the face of the earth.

the jewish tribe in question had a COVENANT with the prophet and muslims to aid each other in time of war and they were free to make any other alliances they felt or needed with freedom of religion with anyone they chose. due to they true jewish nature they stabbed the muslims in the back by joining forces with the pagans , as they have done in palestine after being given sanctuary for over a 1000 years by muslims from invading killers and murders mostly human brutes called crusaders from the west.
after the battle, the prophet was ordered by Allah to march against this tribe who had treason , they told to open up they city and come to justice and were promised no one would be harmed, they did not comply, as you know. after a siege of 25 days victory was established over them and they were brought in front of the prophet who asked them "what do you want of me now" the jews refused to be judged by him. the prophet asked them if another jewish chief in alliance with the muslims was preferable to them to which they agreed, he is mentioned in history and his tribe.
he judged the jews of bani qurayzah according to the jewish book of NUMBERS, which states that if you come against a city to war on it,first proclaim peace and if opens its doors then no one is to harmed including even a blade of grass, if they resist then when god gives victory over them, all males over 12 years old are to killed!

the JEWISH chief said this is my judgement on them to the prophet because we jews have always warred like this from time immemorial!

now for the life of me, i can never understand why jews and christians or pagans like you always blame the prophet for this judgement???

he allowed them to be judged by their own kind and by their own holy book, how does this make him responsible?

when makkah was recaptured by muslims from the pagans, he asked them what they wanted of him now? they asked for forgiveness and mercy and he gave it to them!! yet these were the same pagans like western forces today,raping,killing,looting,torturing,lying for wars,killing millions and then saying we are bringing freedom to muslims,and that we wish best for you etc, etc, etc all bullsh*t!!

if these same jews of bani qurayzah had asked for forgiveness i am sure he would have obliged, but it was they arrogance that got them convicted.

now you might disagree with what i have written,before you write back on this point, you must become aware that a jewish historian called DR ISRAEL WELPHENSON wrote a book called HISTORY OF THE JEWS AMONG THE ARABS, and he documented this episode and he clearly stated that what that tribe had done was treason and were due the punishment administered by a fellow jew.

i am also in the medical business, i will post later scientific evidence to support what i said about the fly etc. in the meantime you should note that in north africa the inhabitants used to eat camel dung when inflicted by dysentry and this cured them. when german soldiers were stationed in libya or tunisia they also suffered severely from dysentry and they asked the arabs for help in combatting this problem, when german scientists cultured the bacteria in the dung they isolated one form which destroyed dysentry . all dysentry tablets in the world are made from this bacteria i understand.

you state that arabs merely passed on translated knowledge of the greeks and others etc, to some extent maybe, why not?
but you will agree, it was after the revelation of the koran which made the arabs great, sciences , arts and thirst for knowledge led to the revival which has benefited most of mankind including western europe!
in baghdad we are told there more then 60,000 volumes on astronomy alone, and alexandria? before it was destroyed by westerners, its library is famous for knowledge even up to today!

every argument has 2 sides or disputes, people like yourself always state we muslims are brainwashed like acharya says quite often, so i used your expression to come and talk to us openly in a public setting. this is not a matter between me and you only, bring your evidence, argument to the muslim public so that we can learn or be educated as you claim and teach too, this is commonsense and practical where you can have an audience of thousands who can ask you questions. its your choice!

there is a distinction of what is known as gods law and man made law, why do you lump them together?

as you claim to be a kaffir, what does it matter to you about islamic law, you claim you have left the faith thats your business, the koran is clear on that in surah kaffirruun "to you your way, to us ours" or are you trying to tell me you have had hordes of peolple trying to chop your head somewhere?

edward gibbons has stated clearly in his book THE RISE AND DECLINE OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE that arabs were used to fratricidal wars benefitting no one before advent of islam, but after the advent of the messenger of god, there was peace and a woman could go fully decked with gold from mecca to san,aa in yemen and no one molested her! what brought about this change in character? was it western laws or the christian holy ghost?
what made the biggest society of teetotallers in the world, american prohibition or islamic injunctions from the koran?

you also mentioned mohammed pbuh did no miracles which is a fallacy in your belief, there over 300 recorded and we can go through them one by one if you wish just on that subject, i will just give you one to think about in the meantime.

it was the battle of the trench (khandak) while it was being dug to repel pagans as a line of defence, a huge boulder was in its path and no one could break it, the companions called the prophet pbuh and he came out with a pick, he hit the stone once and a 1/3rd of it broke into dust he cried GLORY TO ALLAH, HE HAS GIVEN ME THE KEYS OF EGYPT, he hit boulder again and another 1/3rd of it fell of as dust, he cried again GLORY TO ALLAH, HE HAS GIVEN ME THE KEYS OF PERSIA and the 3rd hit was recorded as GLORY TO ALLAH HE HAS GIVEN ME THE KEYS OF SHAM (SYRIA OF OLD).
now mr ross has this not come to pass, are these areas mentioned not muslim generally since being liberated from kuffar rule for last 1400 years?

on the other points you have mentioned i will reply later due to time shortage.

lastly, your perception that muslims are the biggest threat to mankind is a fallacy, or as you say garbage!

muslims are not invading countrys and killing millions , muslims are not stealing peoples resources from countrys under false pretences.

muslims as a whole are not nuclear armed and able to destroy the world many times over!

muslims are the most pious,sober,godfearing,charitable, and generous people in the world, there is no other nation to compete with us in this field!

muslims do not kill millions of children, especially females like chinese and hindus do, combined they murder over 12 million a year! and if you add in abortions carried out in your western countrys it also goes up in the millions due to your antigod and female abuse behaviours!

muslims did not do crusades murdering millions including eastern jews and christians!

muslims did not do the inquistion but western perverted humans on a mass scale!

muslims did not do the slave trade by the hundreds of millions over 400 years debasing humanity to breeding like dogs!

muslims did not do the 1st or 2nd world war resulting 160 million dead maybe more for what??

muslims did not kill 50 million christians in russia but a jew called stalin did so plus he starved 12 million ukrainians !

muslims have not killed over 6 million chadians in recent times to steal they countrys resources but westerners especially the french army!

muslims did not kill over 40 million chinese in cultural revolution inspired by a jews teaching called karl marx!

muslims did not kill 7 million indians in 1943 . who were starved because the british army stole their food?

muslims did not kill 10 million iranians in 1917 due to the british army starving them to death, or the 1 million plus dead under the shah of irans reign as a puppet of the western powers to steal their oil!

muslims did not kill 5 million vietnamese on false premises like the gulf of tonkin incident fabricated by your warmongers who then apologised !

these are some facts i can present to you mr ross, we muslims are definitely not the worlds enemies as you like to impress on readers here, but we will be its saviours as stated in our religious writings and i hope that you will around to see this prophecy come true in your lifetime!


i believe we muslims have been too lackadaisical for to long and letting people of your kind enjoy power unsuited to them in the world, if we muslims do not wake up from this stupor of listening foolishly to the kuffar we will be destroyed as is evidenced by Allah destroying previous muslim generations and then choosing others to represent his message to the world.
for example the mongols destroyed baghdad of old but then all accepted the islamic faith as witnessed by history!

we muslims must get armed by all weapons to enable us to stop being invaded and bring peace and security to all people, freedom does not come by being weak!

this is what the koran warns the muslims to be careful of, they did not listen and today we have irag and afghanistan occupied where inhabitants are subjected to torture and killed, men are sodomised because they are now free???
women and girls,boys are raped by freedom forces from the west???

what nonsense is this??

as our muslims forefathers stated once, you can never trust a kaffirs word, i suppose thats why the whole worlds people say white men talk with forked tongue!

plenty of evidence for that in the world as you know mr ross!

Poor Mr, Abubaqr, suffering from the delusion that his cult offers anything to humanity that humanity does not already have, writes:


"....keep to a point by point discussion for the benefit of readers here so that i can provide you with factual proof and not
hearsay or make believe what you are doing."

What I have been doing is giving you quotes from islamic scriptures , brother Abubaqr.
So, yes - it truly is hearsay and make believe. as you say.

But you still have not answered any of the points I have
delineated with a credible answer. Because you are unable to. And, please, don't give us that crap about it being for
the benefit of readers - you've already clearly defined your hatred for white western males - and Infidels in general
- who are going to be the most numerous readers of this blog. I know how profuse and freely flowing Muslim crocodile tears are.


".....also, it does not make any impression on me that you are an apostate from islam, what you do is only beneficial
to your own soul or loss!"

I will be the one to judge my own soul and how I feel - I certainly do not need the approval or disapproval of a cultist.


"....the jewish tribe in question had a COVENANT with the prophet and muslims to aid each other in time of war and they
were free to make any other alliances they felt or needed with freedom of religion with anyone they chose. "

that's a highly biased interpretation and incorrect. They saw islam for what it was - and wanted nothing to do with it.
So why every single man and boy was killed?? All equally guilty?


"......due to they true jewish nature they stabbed the muslims in the back by joining forces with the pagans ,
as they have done in palestine after being given sanctuary for over a 1000 years by muslims from invading killers
and murders mostly human brutes called crusaders from the west."

So you've bought into the mindset that only after your society becomes Islamic you will have peace?
What, don't have a deep peace inside you now? And the anti-semitic meme?
You're an out and out racist aren't you - hiding behind the pious muslim facade.
No wonder you have no friends outside your own group. Is this what your cult has taught you
so far in life??? Such openmindedness - and awareness. Great to see.
Have a look at what you write. You're showing everyone what sort of person Islam breeds.
And this after having an education in a multicultural country. Shame on you.



".......after the battle, the prophet was ordered by Allah to march against this tribe who had treason ,
they told to open up they city and come to justice and were promised no one would be harmed, they did not comply,
as you know. after a siege of 25 days victory was established over them and they were brought in front of the prophet
who asked them "what do you want of me now" the jews refused to be judged by him. the prophet asked them if another
jewish chief in alliance with the muslims was preferable to them to which they agreed, he is mentioned in history and his tribe.
he judged the jews of bani qurayzah according to the jewish book of NUMBERS, which states that if you come against a
city to war on it,first proclaim peace and if opens its doors then no one is to harmed including even a blade of grass,
if they resist then when god gives victory over them, all males over 12 years old are to killed!........."

Gee, you guys just can't get away from living in a fable of an ancient past can you?

But the Torah and the Bible were/are corrupt aren't they? Why would he (or you) quote from a corrupt book?
So do you advocate going into cities and killing every male over 12 if it doesn't open it's doors to you?
(You of course being an invading Muslim army).

"....now for the life of me, i can never understand why jews and christians or pagans like you always blame the prophet for this judgement???"

There you go, name calling again - can't help it can you? 'People like me' are perfectly aware that 'The 'Prophet' -
had the choice - like ANYONE does - to act compassionately. Was he so UNCONSCIOUS that he had to follow a book to tell him what to do?

"..........he allowed them to be judged by their own kind and by their own holy book, how does this make him responsible?"

Because he had no authority to act that way. If I found out you had been eating pork for example - and I considered myself a 'prophet'
- should I take it upon myself to punish you?


"In the year 625 A.D. after suffering several raids, lootings and killings by the Muslims, the various tribes of Bani Layhan
gathered around their chief Sofyan ibn Khalid discussing what to do about the continuous problems that they faced. Muhammad’s
spies informed him of this gathering and he dispatched Abdullah ibn Oneis, with instructions to assassinate Sofyan.
Abdullah went forth alone, and joining himself as a volunteer to Sofyan, fell upon him unaware while no one was near,
cut off his head, and carried it with him. He eluded pursuit, and reaching Medina in safety, presented himself before Muhammad
in the Mosque. The Prophet welcomed him, and asked the issue of his adventure. Abdullah replied by displaying the head of his victim.
Muhammad was so highly gratified at the success, that he presented the assassin with his staff: - This;" said he,
"shall be a token betwixt you and me on the day of resurrection. Verily few on that day shall have anything to lean upon.""



".......pagans like western forces today,raping,killing,looting,torturing,lying for wars,killing millions
and then saying we are bringing freedom to muslims,and that we wish best for you etc, etc, etc all bullsh*t!"

List out all these incidents of westerrn forces raping, looting , etc etc'
All those are military crimes in EU, NATO and the US military law punishable with sentences far harsher than in civilian courts.



"i am also in the medical business, i will post later scientific evidence to support what i said about the fly etc. "

Good - and you will be doig double blind tests - using flywings on one group of Muslim patients and powerful
western developed antibacterial agents on others I hope.
".....in the meantime you should note that in north africa the inhabitants used to eat camel dung when
inflicted by dysentry and this cured them. when german soldiers were stationed in libya or
tunisia they also suffered severely from dysentry and they asked the arabs for help in
combatting this problem, when german scientists cultured the bacteria in the dung they isolated one form which
destroyed dysentry . all dysentry tablets in the world are made from this bacteria i understand........"

I do not know if that is true but can easily be found out. It seems there are MANY cures for dysentry.
http://www.natural-homeremedies.org/homeremedies-dysentery.htm
Virtually all medicines are based on natural componds as you would know. That does not surprise me. As you would know
Aspirin is based on salicyclic acid
- and was develped from an old wive's tale about willow bark.

The key point is the fallacious assertion that one of the fly's wings contains the disease - and the other the antidote.
You should know this is pure garbage. If you are gong to say it is not - then prove it.
Show us the medical papers published that prove this assertion.
If it is not true - then this fable from Mighty Mo, sad as it may be - is complete BS.

".....you state that arabs merely passed on translated knowledge of the greeks and others etc, to some extent maybe, why not?"

Sure, why not? The point was - I was not hiding this fact from other readers.

"......but you will agree, it was after the revelation of the koran which made the arabs great, sciences , arts and thirst for
knowledge led to the revival which has benefited most of mankind including western europe!"

Absolute nonsense. The arabs numerical skills had nothing to do with the koran.
The concept and indeed the digit for zero was taken from their contact with those dreaded polytheistic
Hindus who had developed superb astronomical skills 1000 years before. They needed it to calculate the
enormous distances they discovered in the cosmos and quantify the epochs of time - having a far grander concept of
time and space than desert dwellers of the Middle east . medical skills as I said were based on the studies of
Greek and Persians hundreds of years prior to the ascent of Islam .


"....in baghdad we are told there more then 60,000 volumes on astronomy alone, and alexandria? before it was destroyed by westerners,
its library is famous for knowledge even up to today!"

There you go again - claiming credit where credit is not due. The libray of Alexandria was started in the 3rd century BC in
Egypt by the Greeks. Well before Mohammed. It flourished in Roman times when Alexandria was a colony of the Roman Empire.
It has not been positively identified who burnt it down or why - or even if it was deliberate.

Remember Egypt was NOT an Islamic country before the brutal invasion of North Africa by the Arabs in the 7th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_conquest_of_North_Africa

"........every argument has 2 sides or disputes, people like yourself always state we muslims are brainwashed
like acharya says quite often, so i used your expression to come and talk to us openly in a public setting.
this is not a matter between me and you only, bring your evidence, argument to the
muslim public so that we can learn ..."

Feigning civility again? As you know - Muslims range from moderate relatively free thinking people - almost apostates -
to brutes with severe psychiatric imbalances. The individuals in the Muslim public - if they wanted to learn,
can simply open their minds and read - and think and evaluate freely what it is that westerners (and others) have been
saying for years about the myopic in-bred nature of your cult - it's absurd contradictions - it's blind mission for
world domination etc etc The trouble is - as you well know - Muslims who end up thinking for themselves and leave the cult
- are persecuted by other Muslms - even in the West. Though not to anywhere near the extent that they are in Islamic countries.

".....there is a distinction of what is known as gods law and man made law, why do you lump them together?"

Please describe both. Is this your allah's law you are talking about. Your allah certainly does not coincide with the
concept of deity that Jews and Christians or Hindus have. Allah's law requires whipping for drinking alcohol,
amputation for theft, stong for adultery etc etc. So this allah's law - I do not lump together with western law at all.
Some real daddy issues there.

".....as you claim to be a kaffir, "
I don't claim to be anything - you put this label on other people - due to your deliberate self conditioning brought
about by the mistaken belief that you are following the 'true path'.

".....what does it matter to you about islamic law, you claim you have left the faith thats your business..."

People alive today - will be injured or dead tomorrow because of that same Islamic law.
As a fellow human being - of course I care, Muslim or 'Kaffir'.


".......the koran is clear on that in surah kaffirruun "to you your way, to us ours"

Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations:
(1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed
illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."
Bukhari (84:57) - "[In the words of] Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."
Bukhari (84:5 - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said,
'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.'
Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said,
'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and
His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that
the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"
Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young
foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats
(i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes
out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"


"...... or are you trying to tell me you have had hordes of peolple trying to chop your head somewhere?"

Me personally?? No - because I live in the West where , much to your chagrin, there are crimnal sanctions
against perpetrators of such heinous barbaric crimes against humanity. If I moved to Iran, Pakistan or
most other Islamic country would I be subject to persecution in some way - even death (state sanctioned or not)
if I was foolish enough to express my beliefs - ???
I don't think you're silly enough to suggest that I would not be.
And as you well know - people in Muslim countries are punished severely for this. S

".......edward gibbons has stated clearly in his book THE RISE AND DECLINE OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE
that arabs were used to fratricidal wars benefitting no one before advent of islam, but after the
advent of the messenger of god, there was peace and a woman could go fully decked with gold from mecca to san,
aa in yemen and no one molested her! what brought about this change in character? was it western laws or the christian holy ghost?"

There was no western law in 7th Century Arabia. And very few Christians. There were a lot of paranoid arabs though -

Said Muhammad: “Let there be the curse of Allah upon the thief who steals an egg and his hand is cut off, and steals a rope
and his hand is cut off.”

& let's not forget:

"The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be
killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land."

nor:

"“Therefore cut off their heads, and strike off all the ends of the fingers. This shall they suffer because they have opposed
Allah and His Prophet, and whosoever shall oppose Allah and His Prophet, verily Allah will be severe in punishing them” (8.13); "


".....what made the biggest society of teetotallers in the world, american prohibition or islamic injunctions from the koran?"

Let me guess - the same little green war manual ,"Infidels are your sworn enemies," (Sura 4 Ayat 101).
"Make war on the infidels around you," (Sura 9 Ayat 123 and Sura 6 Ayat 66).
"Be ruthless to the infidels,"(Sura 48 Ayat 29).
"Fight those who believe not Allah nor the Last Day (Sura 9 Ayat 29).
"Take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends," (Sura 5 Ayat 61 and Sura 60 Ayat 13).
"So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone"(Sura 8 Ayat 39).
"The believers fight in Allah's cause. They slay and are slain, kill and are killed,"(Sura 9 Ayat 112).
"Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers, but merciful to one another"(Sura 48 Ayat 29).
"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. But you may hate a thing although it is good for you, and
love a thing although it is bad for you, Allah knows but you know not,"(Sura 2 Ayat 216).

and book of arabian ignorance that has produced the greatest numbers of terrorists in the world????

".....you also mentioned mohammed pbuh did no miracles which is a fallacy in your belief, there over 300 recorded and
we can go through them one by one if you wish just on that subject, i will just give you one to think about in the meantime."


Those who make you believe absurdities will also make you commit monstrosities - Voltaire

Were you there? A fallacy in my belief? Every last bit of what you believe happened or did not happen has
come down to you through books - mostly written down ages after Mighty Mo died.And also what your cult leaders have told you.
It's a natural enough phenomena to embellish the life of your superhero - look at what a legend Elvis has become.
Same sort of mentality - same BS - but 1400 years of distortion and lies later - voila - Mighty Mo -
the Perfect man - the 53 year old lover of a nine year old girl - who can fly faster than a speeding bullet -
(on the back of a winged donkey, the Burak, with the face and breasts of a woman',
more powerful than a locomative, able to split the moon into two with a finger.
Strange that this event was not recorded by those avid astronomers - the Chinese and Hindu's , eh????

".....it was the battle of the trench (khandak) while it was being dug to repel pagans as a line of defence,
a huge boulder was in its path and no one could break it, the companions called the prophet pbuh and he came
out with a pick, he hit the stone once and a 1/3rd of it broke into dust he cried GLORY TO ALLAH, HE HAS GIVEN ME THE KEYS OF EGYPT,
he hit boulder again and another 1/3rd of it fell of as dust, he cried again GLORY TO ALLAH,
HE HAS GIVEN ME THE KEYS OF PERSIA and the 3rd hit was recorded as GLORY TO ALLAH HE HAS GIVEN ME THE KEYS OF SHAM (SYRIA OF OLD).
now mr ross has this not come to pass, are these areas mentioned not muslim generally since being liberated
from kuffar rule for last 1400 years? "

Unfortunately for you - we have definitions of prophecy . The rules are:
1. The prophecy must be specific.
2. The prophecy must be made before the prophesied event
3. The prophecy must be fulfilled and must not appear in the same book as a text containing false prophecies.
4. The prophecy must not be something which could plausibly be attributed to a guess.

Unfortunately for you - you dip out in all four criteria. And one fact you've forgotten is that those
regions have been under direct British and French control in recent history (last 10 years) .
Also - in Egypt's case - it was INVADED in the first place by marauding arabs - the basically Christian Copts
being forced to convert to Islam or die. So much for your


Qur’an is of course a miracle of all miracles for the following qualities

1. It is the only religious book which is read/recite and memorized (Hafej) in Arabic only by millions of ordinary believers without understanding the meaning of a single word.
2. It is the only book having enormous quantities of contradictions, redundancies, inaccuracies yet most Muslims either do not know or afraid to recognize them for fear of being Gunahgar (Sinners.
3. It is the only book having no chronology, no chapters of definite subject/matters.
4. It is the only book in which one verse is unrelated to the others, or no chapters (Sura) deal with any particular subject matter, rather whole chapter is a mixer of many subjects haphazardly.
5. It is the only book which is consider by millions of believers that it was compiled during the life of it’s Prophet, although in reality it was compiled after approximately 20 years of Prophet’s death.
6. It is the only book having many grammatical errors, had many changes yet believers claim that this book was never changed or have no errors at all.
7. It is the only book although possesses no true scientific theory at all, yet blind believers claim that, this book foretold many scientific theories.
8. It is the only book considered by blind believers as the true words of God yet not even 10% human beings really follow it’s (Quran) doctrines 100%.
9. It is the only book which claims to be most humane book yet in many verses Allah advocated people to kill other people.
10. It is the only book considered by blind believers as the book which gave most rights to women yet women are mostly oppressed by it’s divine decree.
11. It is the only book which believers do not like to translate it rather love to read it in Arabic as “Tantar Mantar” without understanding any meaning.
12. It is the only book by which millions of Dharma Baboshayee earns millions of dollars by cheating ordinary/simple minded Muslims.
13. It is the only book in which believers can find many self-serving verses for it’s Prophet himself.
14. It is the only book which cancels/prohibits (null and void) all other religions of mankind and orders to uproot them by force.( Jihad).
15. It is the only book which right in the beginning orders people to believe in it blindly and then orders to think and see the truth.
16. It is the only book which claims that prophets were sent to every nations/tribes but all the mentioned prophets are from the Middle-East.
17. It is the only book which has so much vagueness and ambiguities in it that it can produce killers like Talebans, or Osama-Bin-Laden, and Sufis like Imam Gazzali at the same time.
18. It is the only book which needed human help to correct its numerical numbers of distributing the property to the heirs.
19. It is the only book that different sects of its followers are killing and will continue to kill each other even in the mosques to go to heaven ( Shia-Sunni fight in Pakistan). The Catholics-Protestants once killed each other but they had different Bibles.
20. It is the only book which in clear words advocated some criminal laws (Sharias) of punishment (called Allah’s laws) but in reality those laws are absolutely unfit for the today’s civilized world. In real world, whenever these so called divine (?) laws are in practice in any country (such as Afghanistan, Iran etc)—people (both Muslims and Non-Muslims) start criticizing those followers of Quranic Laws by saying: “They did not obey Sharias in proper way, (or say) they have distorted them” and surprisingly, mullahs never blame the source of these primitive Bedouin Laws.
21. It is the only book in which verses do exist in support of both the secular thought and the communal thought.

Therefore, Qur’an is an amazing book and “miracle of all miracles” indeed!


"....lastly, your perception that muslims are the biggest threat to mankind is a fallacy, or as you say garbage!"

I'm sure an oversized asteroid is a far bigger threat. But as you stated above
- the muslim threat to Western civilization posed by the totalitarian Islamic belief system has
not gone unnoticed. Islam has bloody borders



".....muslims are not invading countrys and killing millions ,"
Not for want of trying - just lack of resources.
Northern Muslim, Nigerian expansion into Christian south,
Darfur region in Sudan, Iran/Iraq war,Somalia, Iraq attempted invasion of Kuwait....and looking back
invasion of North Africa, Iran, the whole middle east, the Byzantine Empire, the Moghul invasion of India,
Pakistan....
"Hindus too experienced this treatment at the hands of Islamic
conquerors, e.g. when Mohammed bin Qasim conquered the lower Indus
basin in 712 CE. Thus, in Multan, according to the Chach-Nama, "six
thousand warriors were put to death, and all their relations and
dependents were taken as slaves". This is why Rajput women committed
mass suicide to save their honour in the face of the imminent entry of
victorious Muslim armies, e.g. 8,000 women immolated themselves during
Akbar's capture of Chittorgarh in 1568 (where this most enlightened
ruler also killed 30,000 non-combatants). During the Partition pogroms
and the East Bengali genocide, mass rape of Hindu women after the
slaughter of their fathers and husbands was a frequent event. "

".......muslims are not stealing peoples resources from countrys under false pretences."
Arab oil sheiks are muslim aren't they?

"...muslims as a whole are not nuclear armed and able to destroy the world many times over!"
I could give you a very clear reason for this but don't want to be unkind.


"....muslims are the most pious,sober,godfearing,charitable, and generous people in the world, "
That's what you tell yourselves - but sadly the reverse is true. Aid figures prove that
- how many Muslim nations are represented in haiti now - compared to western filthy white infidel countries???
Unless you mean the charity that Muslims extend to other Muslims.

"....there is no other nation to compete with us in this field!"
Islamic delusion again. An amazing level of self-deception.

"...muslims do not kill millions of children, especially females like chinese and hindus do,
combined they murder over 12 million a year! and if you add in abortions carried out
in your western countrys it also goes up in the millions due to your antigod and female abuse behaviours!"

http://stanford.edu/class/humbio129s/cgi-bin/blogs/feministlens/2009/0 4/30/comparing-muslim-countries-policies-on-contraception-and-abortion /

"....muslims did not do crusades murdering millions including eastern jews and christians!"
The Crusades were initiated to get back lands stolen by Muslims. What do you call the Muslim invasion of North africa - a tea party?

"....muslims did not do the inquistion but western perverted humans on a mass scale!"
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2009/08/01/never-before-seen-histo rical-footage-muslim-genocide-of-armenian-christians/
http://www.kashmiri-pandit.org/sundry/genocide.html
http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/modern/hindu_bangla.html



"....muslims did not do the slave trade by the hundreds of millions over 400 years debasing humanity to breeding like dogs!"
Taqqiya. http://www.arabslavetrade.com/

"...muslims did not do the 1st or 2nd world war resulting 160 million dead maybe more for what??"
telling blatant lies now - not that I'm shocked at that. I expect it.
Turks are Muslim - you do realise that Turks were heavily involved in WW1 don't you?
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/index.html
http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/wwii-bosnian-muslim-nazi-killing-u nit/3173665264
http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=10023


"......muslims did not kill 50 million christians in russia but a jew called stalin did so plus he starved 12 million ukrainians !"
But they did do a good job on the Armenians didn't they?


"....muslims did not kill over 40 million chinese in cultural revolution inspired by a jews teaching called karl marx!"

Your anti-semitism is showing again.It really is a disease isn't it? Just grows inside you - every week.
What act will get you off - slicing someone's throat? have you ever been personally harmed by a Jew???
Remember - people are reading this - and seeing you for what you are. You're just reinforcing the impression most readers have of muslims. Keep going....

"....muslims did not kill 7 million indians in 1943 . who were starved because the british army stole their food?"
They killed many millions centuries before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_in_the_Indian_subcontinen t
"An estimate of the number of people killed, based on the Muslim chronicles and demographic calculations,
was done by the author K.S. Lal in his book Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India,
who claimed that between 1000 CE and 1500 CE, the population of Hindus decreased by 80 million."


"....muslims did not kill 5 million vietnamese on false premises like the gulf of tonkin incident
fabricated by your warmongers who then apologised !"
Other Vietnamese killed Vietnamese - America was there at the invitation of the Vietnamese government.
But don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

"these are some facts i can present to you mr ross, we muslims are definitely not the worlds enemies as
you like to impress on readers here, but we will be its saviours as stated in our
religious writings and i hope that you will around to see this prophecy come true in your lifetime!"

Your myth is your myth. Don't expect reality to be moulded to it simply because you believe it to be true.
You want certainty - so you cling to an outdated bedouin 7th century worldview. You can do that if you wish,
but don't expect anyone other than your co-cultists to respect the absurd. Do you seriously think any sane person
- who sees what the Muslim world has become - is going to embrace your fables? We just have to look through your
own writings in this blog to see what a warped worldview you yourself have developed to say 'Islam? Nein danke!!'

i believe we muslims have been too lackadaisical for to long and letting people of your kind enjoy power unsuited to them in the world,"

'People of my kind'? There you go , name calling again. But by your own logic - didn't allah give us this 'power'?
And what 'kind ' of people am I?

"if we muslims do not wake up from this stupor of listening foolishly to the kuffar we will be destroyed as is evidenced "
Actually it goes - 'If you do not listen to the Kuffar - you will be destroyed'.

"by Allah destroying previous muslim generations and then choosing others to represent his message to the world."
Don't blame allah or any external cause for your own stupidity.


I understand your somewhat romantic 'foot soldier of allah' self-concept. Cute - but for an adult human being - rather retarded.


"....for example the mongols destroyed baghdad of old but then all accepted the islamic faith as witnessed by history!"

Mongols under Hulagu Khan had defeated the Muslims in 1258, but did not compel them to leave Islam. The result,
the Muslims regrouped and when they got the upper hand compelled the defeated Mongols accept Islam
thus negating all the advantages that the Mongols had by first defeating the Muslims.

The Muslims give their victims three choices :

- Embrace Islam,
- Live a life of constant humiliation and hardship under Muslim tyranny as 2nd class denizens worse than animals,
- Be hacked to death for refusing to embrace Islam and refusing to accept the 2nd class status where you are treated worse than animals.

"we muslims must get armed by all weapons to enable us to stop being invaded and bring peace and security to all people,"
Remember the saying - 'fighting for peaqce is like fu**ing for virgnity'?
YOu Muslims must get armed??? Peace and security to all peoples? What have you been smoking?

".....freedom does not come by being weak!"

How would you know - when you have no idea of what freedom is? Freedom comes from being aware with no preconceptions.


"......what nonsense is this??"

Hey - that's exactly what I say when I read what Muslms are expected to believe!!!

".....as our muslims forefathers stated once,"

Your muslim forefathers were previously Hindu and Zoroastrians,

" you can never trust a kaffirs word, i suppose thats why the whole worlds people say white men talk with forked tongue!"

The whole world does not say that - only immature racists with a chip on their shoulder say that.

"plenty of evidence for that in the world as you know mr ross!"
What has that got to do with me? I am also aware how much improvement in so many areas that those same people
you hate nearly as much as allah hates - have brought great good to the world .

Regarding the genocide in Rwanda: Since the genocide, Rwandans have converted to Islam in huge numbers. Muslims now make up 14 percent of the 8.2 million people in Africa’s mostly Catholic nation, twice as many as before the killings began. The reason behind the conversions lies in the fact that Rwandan Muslims did not take part in the genocide and played a key role in the humanitarian efforts that followed.
The Christian priests were held at the ICC. They pretended their churches were sanctuary and then led the killers to the lambs.
When America which is the closest nation cannot send aid for a few days, then maybe Haiti would be better off being a muslim nation.
Both Haiti and Rwanda were humanitarian disasters: one man made the other by nature.

Poor Haiti. First the earthquake and now the great outpouring of muslim "concern". I am glad we put troops in or otherwise we would have had muslim extremists attempting overthrow. Perhaps the quake was a blessing in disguise as it has revealed muslim intentions in that nation.

Achaya, Haiti is very rich in oil! How else the good old USA has all the military there and nothing is being done for the dieying and the sicks?
How else the USA has toppled Aristide without good reasons other that he was for his people?
The oil and the minerals is all USA wants. You should watch blood and oil. Two French scientists have found gobbs of oil all over the island.

hello again mr ross,

regarding your posts, i have noted all that you say and some of the sources for your information. i suggest prior to printing a letter with so many errors and blatant propaganda you should researh OUR history not just our enemies or made up gobbledegook from your own self.

reading through your rantings it seems everything wrong in the world is the muslims fault, they history is all wrong, they are worst of creation and they should all be eliminated! and of course they prophet was no prophet!

the reality is mr ross, we are here and growing according to koranic prophecy!

as much as you wish to spread your lies against us and the prophet we will tell the truth and we suggest to ordinary people to make their own minds up as to who is right or wrong!

i am a semite too, jews do not hold that title as their own, we have more 1million jews living in arab countrys for last 1300 centurys or more and we have no problems as religious people with each other.

the trouble causers are western khazari jews who have no semitic blood in them who come from the west with they murderous ideas against all humanity, like your christians from there too!

i will tell the truth against these inhuman brutes just like a lot of good jews and christians do too for humanitys sake or against bad muslims if needed!

you mentioned prophecy completion, please list one prophecy here from the koran or the prophet uttered which has not been fulfilled or is being fulfilled!

sham(syria), persia,egypt has come under muslim people as foretold and we muslims have been the majority overlords of those countrys for the last 1400 odd years, barbaric christian crusaders came from the west for a few years and left after killing,raping, murdering even the jews and christians of those countrys, but we are the overlords mr ross and you cannot change that one bit!

have you not noticed mr ross, all africans,asians,south americans and north, middle easterners who learn western education are mostly perverts,killers,dictators, stooges, tyrants and plain robbers helped into power by western intelligence agencies acting against their own people, would you accept that in your country mr ross!!

lastly, for me or any muslim there is a clear warning from the prophet mohammed pbuh stating:
IF THERE IS NO HUMANITY IN YOU THEN YOU ARE NOT ONE OF US!

hardly a utterance which is at variance with his character as you put it mr ross!

before you make false representation of our history,prophets sayings, or the koran please get a balanced view then make your judgement, your hatred for us muslims and islam shines thorugh your words. we have no fear, many were people like you who wanted to destroy us and they lost, we are still here and will be till before judgement day as foretold by the last messenger prophet mohammed pbuh.

salaam to you!

Mr. Abubaqr, perhaps suffering from

".......before you make false representation of our history,prophets sayings, or the koran please get a balanced view then make your judgement, your hatred for us muslims and islam shines thorugh your words."

You are right Mr.Abubaqr - I have been careless in typography in my previous response. I'll just clear it up for you:

"Infidels are your sworn enemies," (Sura 4 Ayat 101).
"Make war on the infidels around you," (Sura 9 Ayat 123 and Sura 6 Ayat 66).
"Be ruthless to the infidels,"(Sura 48 Ayat 29).
"Fight those who believe not Allah nor the Last Day (Sura 9 Ayat 29).
"Take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends," (Sura 5 Ayat 61 and Sura 60 Ayat 13).
"So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone"(Sura 8 Ayat 39).
"The believers fight in Allah's cause. They slay and are slain, kill and are killed,"(Sura 9 Ayat 112).
"Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers, but merciful to one another"(Sura 48 Ayat 29).
"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. But you may hate a thing although it is good for you, and
love a thing although it is bad for you, Allah knows but you know not,"(Sura 2 Ayat 216).


"Bukhari 8.794: Narrated Anas: Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine). They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophet ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die."

""Among them were many Christians who had accepted Islam, but when dissension had developed in Islam had said, "By God, our religion from which we have departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and seizing properties." And they returned to their former religion. Al-Khirrit met them and said to them, "Woe unto you! Do you know the precept of Ali regarding any Christian who accepts Islam and then reverts to Christianity? By God he will not hear anything they say, he will not consider any excuse, he will not accept any repentance, and he will not summon them to it. His precept regarding them is immediate cutting off of the head when he gets hold of them." (Tabari, volume 17, pages 187, 18."



Said Muhammad: “Let there be the curse of Allah upon the thief who steals an egg and his hand is cut off, and steals a rope
and his hand is cut off.”

& let's not forget:

"The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be
killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land."

nor:

"“Therefore cut off their heads, and strike off all the ends of the fingers. This shall they suffer because they have opposed
Allah and His Prophet, and whosoever shall oppose Allah and His Prophet, verily Allah will be severe in punishing them” (8.13); "

Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations:
(1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,)
(2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and
(3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."

Bukhari (84:57) - "[In the words of] Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."

Bukhari (84:5 - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said,
'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.'
Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said,
'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and
His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"
Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes
out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"


The irony is - all the hate you see comes from your own 'scriptures'.

What a joke!




p.s. I still see you offer no answer to all the other points I have made. The reason being that you are unable to

information on the scientific evidence for the fly in the water mr ross if you dispute it then do your own experiments and let the world know with proof.

There are five pillars of Islam that muslim knows That is called Two sentences of sahadah [Testimony of truth]. The first is: Laa illaaha illallah, I bear witness there is no god except Allah. It means that None has the right to be worshipped correctly, but Allah alone that Allah has neither partner nor son. The second is: Ashadu anna Muhammadarrosuulullah, I bear witness that Muhammad is the servant and Messenger of Allah. And he [salallahu alayhi wassalam] was the final messenger. He was born in Makkah in the year 570 A.D. He was known as being truthful, honest, trusworthy, generous and sincere. He was sent to all mankind and jinn, brought the truth and guidance, which was sent by Allah as a mercy to the worlds. As Allah says :

" And We [Allah] have not sent you, [O, Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds."

As a result every muslim must believe and confirm what were conveyed by him, because he [salallahu alayhi wassallam] did not talk base on his inclination.

' Nor does he [Muhammad, salallahu alayhi wassallam] speak of [his own] desire. It is only a revealation revealed." [An-Najm: 3-4].

Islam has two fundamentals source of law. They are : Al-Quran and As-Sunnah Nabaweeyah. Whomsoever hold tight both of them, Allah will protect him from misguide. Muhammad salallahu alayhi wassalam said: " I left you two things, which you will never misguide after me. As long as you hold both of them, they are kitabullah and sunnah. And you will never apart until meet me in haudh [in the day of resurrection]." [reported by Imaam Malik and Hakim, saheeh].

Verily, muslims from the first generation [the righteous predecassors] have agreed that sunnah as a second reference in islamic shariah. it is compulsory for muslims to believe all ayaats in Quran and hadeeth saheeh which definitely will not contradict with the fact and reality.

Among many hadeeths that still become controversion in the the realm of muslims is the hadeeth about fly. " Ubaid bin Hunain reported to me that he said : I heard Abu Hurairah [radiallahu anhu] said: The Messenger said :

" If a housefly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it [in the drink], for the one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure of the disease." [saheeh al-bukhari, no 5782].

The scholar of hadeeth in this century, Shaikh Muhammad Naasir-ud-deen Al-Albaani [rahimahullah] born in the year 1332H - 1420H [1914 C.E - 1999 C.E] stated that this hadeeth is saheeh.

In judging this hadeeth muslims split up into two categories.

First : Some who deny it. They are from the realm of Intellectuals, The refusers of sunnah, the orientalists and the ignorants. Their argumentations because fly is a dirty insect which likes to alight on dirty and disgusting things. And if the fly alights on food or drink, it will cause diseases, such as diarrheoa, dysentry and other diseases caused by bacteria. Their argumentation only based on their ratio. Among medical experts there are also two opinions, some are agree and support it, and some deny it based on their own argumentation.

Second : some who agree and support this hadeeth, they are some muslim scholars and some medical experts. Their argumentation eventhough fly likes to alight on dirty places in its body forms antibody as an antibacterial which kills many of the microbes. The anti bacterial located in one of its wing. Some of us maybe know that poison, such as from snake can be made into antibody and immunity to protect our body from particular diseases. The antibody can be gotten from the disease itself by weakened the microbe or virus such as in vaccination serum.

*) The latest result of research done by Department Medical Microbiology, College of science, Qassim University, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The researchers are :

Sami Ibrahim Aj-Taili
'Aadil 'Abdur Rahman Al-Misnid
Khalid Dha'aar Al-'Utaibi
The team was supervised by Dr. Jamaal Haamid [May Allah Protects them all] and course co-coordinator Dr. Saleh As Saleh [ rahimahullah]. The research was presented in " Student research seminar". They used very simple method. Cultivating steriled water which has been submerged by fly in the gelatin media.

There are three species of fly that were used which indicated by species A, B and C, for each species there are two samples. [sample 1] the steriled water where fly was put into it. All of its body was submerged. as a note this research done acepticely [free from microbe] in special room to avoid contamination. After that, the sample water was cultivated in gelatin media and incubated for some days to grow the culture of microbe and can be seen it clearly.

The result the culture of microbe was identified to find out the kind of microbe.

Sample A : Contained of species A

Plate 2: Cultured water sample taken from a flask containing sterilized water and where a fly fell [without submersion]. Growth of pathogenic [disease causing] bacterial colonies of the E coli type were identified after taking samples from the water in the flask for culture.

Plate 1: Cultured water sample from the same flask following the complete dipping of the fly. An entire disappearance of the bacterial growth seen in petri-dish 2 is clear. The new bacteria growing plate 1 was identified as Actinomyces, the one from which useful antibiotics can be extracted. This explains the complete inhibition of growth in plate 2.

Sample B : Contained of species B.

Plate 2 : Cultured water sample taken from a flask containing sterilized water and where a fly fell (without submersion). Growth of pathogenic (disease causing) bacterial colonies of Coynebacterium Dephtheroid type were identified after taking samples from the water in the flask for culture.

Plate 1 : Cultured water sample from the same flask following the complete dipping of the fly. An entire dissappearance of the bacterial growth seen in Petri-dish 2 is clear. The new bacteria growing in plate 1 was identified as Actinomyces, the one from which useful antibiotics [more than 70%] can be extracted. This explains the complete inhibition of growth in plate 2.

Sample C : Contained species C

Plate 2 : Cultured water sample taken from a flask containing sterilized water and where a fly fell [without submersion]. Growth of pathogenic [disease causing] bacterial colonies of the Stahylococcus sp. type. were identified after taking samples from teh water in the flask for culture.

Plate 1 : Cultured water sample from the same flask following the complete dipping of the fly. An entire disappearance of the bacterial growth seen in Petri-dish 2 is clear. The new bacteria growing in plate 1 was identified as Actinomyces, the one from which useful antibiotics can be extracted. This explains the complete inhibition of growth in plate 2.

The same results were obtained with another type of disease-causing bacteria of Salmonellas sp + Proteus sp type.

*) source of the research and picture: www.islamicknowledge.com

From the research above can be conclude that : There is a difference between fly which was submerged in the drink and did not.

- Islam is in line with modern scientific invention

- There is no contradiction between Al-Quran Al-Kareem and Al-hadeeth As-Saheehah

- It is a prove that islam is truth and Muhammad [salallahu alayhi wassallam] said not based on his inclination, but revealation revealed.

The racist Mr. Abubaqr, ever ready to justify his false beliefs writes:
"have you not noticed mr ross, all africans,asians,south americans and north, middle easterners who learn western education are mostly perverts,killers,dictators, stooges, tyrants and plain robbers helped into power by western intelligence agencies acting against their own people, would you accept that in your country mr ross!!"

and then, without missing a beat continues:

lastly, for me or any muslim there is a clear warning from the prophet mohammed pbuh stating:
IF THERE IS NO HUMANITY IN YOU THEN YOU ARE NOT ONE OF US!"


Does anyone find something wrong here? The inability to see his own hypocrisy perhaps???


Concernning what he thinks I think - he writes:

"your hatred for us muslims and islam shines thorugh your words. we have no fear, many were people like you who wanted to destroy us and they lost,"

If you would read what was in front of you - it would be helpful for you. I have never said I hated muslims. I hate ignorance posing as enlightenment.

Ego HATES criticism doesn't it . Mr. Abubaqr. But hiding behind the pious muslim facade while criticising everyone else - at the same time relating your imagined superiority - and presenting your fables to the world in the vain hope they will be believed - and you expect no critcism yourself? What an odd world you inhabit. I guess it can be explained though, as I pointed out before - you have zero friends outside of your muslim support network - who are every-ready to reinforce your fantasy world-view.

As far as your fly experiment goes - can you furnish the results of a similar experiment done by a non-Muslim. And as I have already pointed out - and you have offered no real answer to - Mo said flies WINGS - not the fly body. One has the 'poison' and one the antidote '. Is that not so?

And you've got no real answers for the fact that in Islam - people are punished for leaving your cult have you, Mr. Abubaqr.

I really do not have the time to continue a tit for tat with someone who does not listen to reason.

Any readers who are interested in the beliefs and insights of people who have been through the Muslim machine and come out the other side rather than having being absorbed into it - please see sites such as

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/

http://alliedapostatesofislam.weebly.com/

http://www.faithfreedom.org

and read: http://www.faithfreedom.org/content/somalia-and-uk-and-killing-apostat es-islam




These people from many, many countries and the several brands of Islam and in many walks of life speak with the authority of experience- having once believed all that Mr. Abubqr's brain now believes to be reality. Read their stories - why did they leave? Why could they not reconcile arab fantasy with 21st century reality?

But they had the sense to think for themselves and the courage to leave despite dire opposition. Bravo.

p.s. oh and before I go, I make a prophecy:

The next terrorist outrage committed somewhere in the world involving a large loss of life and physical trauma to innocent people will be committed by people belonging to Mr.Abubaqr's cult.

Good luck Mr. Abubaqr (pbuh) - I sincerely hope you wake up one day.