Freethought Nation

presented by Acharya S and TruthBeKnown.com, online since 1995

It is currently Sat May 18, 2013 3:02 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 119 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:54 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:24 pm
Posts: 4330
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
Is there any additional info that I should add to that poll? I can make changes but we lose all the votes when I do. Which is okay for right now but ... now would be the time to do that if it's even necessary.

_________________
2013 Astrotheology Calendar
The Mythicist Position
Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection
Stellar House Publishing at Youtube


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:51 pm 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:32 pm
Posts: 1988
Location: U.S.A.
I can't think of anything.

_________________
Mriana

Nonviolence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind. It is mightier than the mightiest weapon of destruction devised by the ingenuity of man. ~ Gandhi

Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~ Thomas A. Edison


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:27 pm 
Offline
Bast

Joined: Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:12 pm
Posts: 147
What is the lable for someone who believes in a little of both?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:17 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:24 pm
Posts: 4330
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
Quote:
What is the lable for someone who believes in a little of both?

Both of what? Did you read page 1 & 2? Just because people have other views and beliefs doesn't mean they can't also be a mythicist. It's not an all exclusive position. Christians, for example, are already mythicists when it comes to all other religions.

_________________
2013 Astrotheology Calendar
The Mythicist Position
Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection
Stellar House Publishing at Youtube


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:55 am 
Offline
Bast

Joined: Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:12 pm
Posts: 147
Thanks Freethinkaluva22,

I did read the first couple of pages but I am a little confused. I believe it was stated that Mythicist is only a recent label but the use of the compound word MYTHOLOGY has been used for a very long time, and for a long time some have included Jesus as a myth.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:29 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:24 pm
Posts: 4330
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
Yes indeed, terms such myth and mythology have been around for a long time. What's new is the mythicist POSITION created by Acharya:
Quote:
The Mythicist Position:

"Mythicism represents the perspective that many gods, goddesses and other heroes and legendary figures said to possess extraordinary and/or supernatural attributes are not "real people" but are in fact mythological characters. Along with this view comes the recognition that many of these figures personify or symbolize natural phenomena, such as the sun, moon, stars, planets, constellations, etc., constituting what is called "astrotheology." As a major example of the mythicist position, various biblical characters such as Adam and Eve, Satan, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, King David, Solomon & Jesus Christ, among other figures, in reality represent mythological characters along the same lines as the Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian, Greek, Roman and other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths, rather than historical figures."

- Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection page 11-12

There has never been a clearly defined mythicist position before that includes a broad view of all religion not just a narrow focus on just one religion or just Jesus. And that mythicist position isn't a rigid position that doesn't mean there can't be any real history, evidence or facts.

In the second post from page one of this thread is a definition of terms used:

Here are a few definitions to help understand what we're talking about regarding the Mythicist Position.

* Astrotheology: "Theology founded on observation or knowledge of the celestial bodies" ... such as the sun, moon, planets, stars, constellations etc.

* Archaeoastronomy: "The branch of archaeology that deals with the apparent use by prehistoric civilizations of astronomical techniques to establish the seasons or the cycle of the year, esp. as evidenced in the construction of megaliths and other ritual structures."

"The study of the knowledge, interpretations, and practices of ancient cultures regarding celestial objects or phenomena. The branch of archaeology that deals with the apparent use by prehistoric civilizations of astronomical techniques to establish the seasons or the cycle of the year, esp. as evidenced in the construction of megaliths and other ritual structures."

A famous example of archaeoastronomy would be Stonehenge. But there are countless others from around the world. You may also find examples of astrotheology & archaeoastronomy here, here, here and much more throughout this forum.

* Mythicist: "A person who views various figures of antiquity, including both pagan gods and major biblical characters, as mythical. Moreover, a mythicist may also recognize the origins of these myths as being based in nature worship and what is called "astrotheology."

It's wise to be more clear on what we mean by the word "myth" too:

* Myth: "a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, esp. one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature."

"A myth is a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events."

"A traditional, typically ancient story dealing with supernatural beings, ancestors, or heroes that serves as a fundamental type in the worldview of a people, as by explaining aspects of the natural world or delineating the psychology, customs, or ideals of society"

"Myths are "stories about divine beings, generally arranged in a coherent system; they are revered as true and sacred; they are endorsed by rulers and priests; and closely linked to religion. Once this link is broken, and the actors in the story are not regarded as gods but as human heroes, giants or fairies, it is no longer a myth but a folktale. Where the central actor is divine but the story is trivial ... the result is religious legend, not myth." [J. Simpson & S. Roud, "Dictionary of English Folklore," Oxford, 2000, p.254]"

"A story of great but unknown age which originally embodied a belief regarding some fact or phenomenon of experience, and in which often the forces of nature and of the soul are personified; an ancient legend of a god, a hero, the origin of a race, etc.; a wonder story of prehistoric origin; a popular fable which is, or has been, received as historical."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/myth

_________________
2013 Astrotheology Calendar
The Mythicist Position
Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection
Stellar House Publishing at Youtube


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:08 pm 
Offline
Bast

Joined: Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:12 pm
Posts: 147
I see the distinction and also think she has done alot!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:24 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:24 pm
Posts: 4330
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
Quote:
Religion Scholar RESIGNS After Endorsing Evolution

"A prominent Old Testament scholar has resigned from a professorial position after he was recorded on video endorsing evolution.

Until several days ago, Bruce K. Waltke was a professor at Florida's Reformed Theological Seminary. But after the school found out about his video blog (the video has since been removed at Waltke's request) on the website of the BioLogos Foundation, which promotes harmony between science and theology, he lost his job...."

"...The Reformed Theological Seminary's Interim President, Michael Milton, told Inside Higher Ed that the situation caused the school "heartache," but Waltke ultimately disobeyed the institution's mandate on evolution: No Darwinian talk allowed."

So here we go again, go against church doctrine and dogma and you can still lose your job even in 2010.

I think it's time for a serious investigation into church influence in academia.

_________________
2013 Astrotheology Calendar
The Mythicist Position
Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection
Stellar House Publishing at Youtube


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:12 pm 
Offline
Moderator

Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:17 pm
Posts: 2247
Location: Everywhere
Hopefully the MP will take the internet by storm and reach the far ends of the earth before all is said and done.

'...and the truth about the gospel accounts will be spread around the world, then shall the end come.'

:wink:

_________________
The Jesus Mythicist Creed:
The "Jesus Christ" of the New Testament is a fictional composite of characters, real and mythical. A composite of multiple "people" is no one.

The celestial Origins of Religious Belief
ZG Part 1
Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:04 pm 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:41 pm
Posts: 738
Tat Tvam Asi wrote:
Hopefully the MP will take the internet by storm and reach the far ends of the earth before all is said and done. '...and the truth about the gospel accounts will be spread around the world, then shall the end come.' :wink:
Tat, I assume your :wink: is because you know we know you are subtly misquoting Matthew 24:14. KJV has "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

This reads to me as a prediction of the Age of Pisces, that belief in heaven and the Christian myth of the historical Jesus would be promulgated to the entire globe, and that the end means the dawn of the Aquarian Age, at which time the truth of the gospel will suddenly become apparent, speaking with a tongue like a sword.

Can I also mention while I think of it, John 21 was our text at church last week. Verse 13, "Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise." reads to me as a symbolic reference to the Pisces-Virgo equinox polarity of the Age of Pisces, recapitulating the miracle of the loaves and fishes.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:37 pm 
Offline
Moderator

Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:17 pm
Posts: 2247
Location: Everywhere
The MP coming along now in this day and age - as we're nearing the end of the age of Pisces - tends to suggest something in the way of bringing this astrotheological based prediction into fruition. The gospel has gone out to the world as a witness to all nations, it's in place all over the globe, and now the truth of what the gospels mean has finally started reaching public domain. It's a delayed reaction. I agree that the writers intended something in the way of this information spreading around the globe during the current age only to be fully revealed during the next age to come, when they assumed the world would be ready to receive it's message. In both cases - your post and mine - the "end" that is coming is the "end" of not understanding what the biblical narratives mean which is forecasted as the "end" of the current age. With the MP on the rise that's exactly what will happen permitting it reaches the far corners of the globe by the end of the current age which the old gospel has already reached. The "end" of not being able to understand the biblical narrative will come if so. It's already come for people like you, me, and the small minority of people in the world right now who get it in some way. But the "end" has not happened on a global majority scale of course, which has yet to come permitting that it ever comes at all. Perhaps it won't come until the "end" of the current age when it has been forecasted to come.

_________________
The Jesus Mythicist Creed:
The "Jesus Christ" of the New Testament is a fictional composite of characters, real and mythical. A composite of multiple "people" is no one.

The celestial Origins of Religious Belief
ZG Part 1
Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:46 am 
Offline
Bast

Joined: Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:12 pm
Posts: 147
I was under the impression that Acharya's excellent work is featured here because it is relevant to some of our ages most important topics.

Has this site changed to one that mostly welcomes Mythicists?



We at Freethought Nation are pleased to announce our new site, which has been designed to create what we hope will become a global hub for freethinkers, atheists, agnostics, secularists and humanists, as well as aficionados of history, religion, mythology, mythicism, astrotheology, archaeoastronomy, nutrition, environmental issues and assorted other fascinating subjects.

At Freethought Nation we will have forums where just about anyone can participate, as well as guest writers.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:33 am 
Offline
Moderator

Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:17 pm
Posts: 2247
Location: Everywhere
That's all true Dan, writers like yourself for example. But these forums are also set up to discuss Acharya's books, such as the CiE forum, the WWJ forum and so on. Star Burst had set up a forum named Jesusneverexisted which is used already and he had duplicated much of the freethoughtnation forum as well. The idea is to consider changing that around a little bit, not to come off as insulting to you or Star Burst. From what I can tell Star Burst agrees. There's certainly a need to link back to this forum but a lot of other forums should be mixed in as well so that it doesn't come off as a duplicate of this forum. It's just a matter of getting it right so that the new forum Star Burst will be hosting comes off as something a little more unique, as opposed to using a site name already known for years and transferring the majority of material on the new forum from the Freethoughtnation forums. It's a good idea though. The MP really should branch out from here for sure.

Star Burst seems pretty well understood on mythicist issues. We've been basically tag team debating on different forums together as of lately and Star Burst can hold his own against apologetic attack. And Robert Tulip can certainly hold his own as well. We've all been addressing a lot of these issues at another forum - www.booktalk.org - as of recently. I wanted to promote discussion of Acharya's work and the mythicist position over there and it's been getting a lot of exposure now. Hopefully people will be buying and reading the books we're discussing and debating and taking everything into consideration. The idea that we (MP) are taking the scientific approach by not accepting a prior that Jesus was historical is good for other scientific minded people to understand. Book Talk is largely an atheist environment of science loving people. It makes sense to accept supernatural storylines as mythological until proven otherwise. With no contemporary source evidence to go by the historicity of this mythological storyline character is unprovable! People there are now exposed to how this all unfolds because I've had a running challenge for one apologist to provide contemporary source evidence which he has been unable to do. He's tried claiming that Paul is primary source evidence. Wrong. He's tried claiming that Josephus and those thereafter are contemporary source evidence. Wrong again. He's tried claiming that contemporary source evidence isn't requited. Wrong thrice. People see this. They can judge for themselves. The point I've been making is that we can't prove one way or the other, it's all speculation at best. And speculation is not concrete evidence for anything. I've found that freethinkers over there respect the MP on those grounds. It's an honest one. And the person claiming to have evidence which does not exist is clearly pushing a deceptive angle.

_________________
The Jesus Mythicist Creed:
The "Jesus Christ" of the New Testament is a fictional composite of characters, real and mythical. A composite of multiple "people" is no one.

The celestial Origins of Religious Belief
ZG Part 1
Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:37 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:24 pm
Posts: 4330
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
Quote:
Dan "Has this site changed to one that mostly welcomes Mythicists?"

I'm not sure how you could come to that conclusion after she also says:
Quote:
"We at Freethought Nation are pleased to announce our new site, which has been designed to create what we hope will become a global hub for freethinkers, atheists, agnostics, secularists and humanists, as well as aficionados of history, religion, mythology, mythicism, astrotheology, archaeoastronomy, nutrition, environmental issues and assorted other fascinating subjects."
http://freethoughtnation.com/index.php? ... icle&id=47

_________________
2013 Astrotheology Calendar
The Mythicist Position
Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection
Stellar House Publishing at Youtube


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:09 am 
Offline
Bast

Joined: Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:12 pm
Posts: 147
Dear Tat,
You make alot of sense. I believe that Acharya's work has not recieved the attention it deserves, and it is great of her to make herself available at this forum


Dear FTL22,

That quote you offer (that I quoted first) says nothing of Acharya's work being "what this forum is for" which I believe is what you wrote StarBurst. As always I could be mistaken.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 119 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group