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Self-made intellectuals? Bible specialist? :lol: This article gives them too much credit. The boy hardly knows anything else, much less about other myths or other religions. How can he be a specialist at anything unless he knows what the other religions, past and present, are about?

This thing sounds like a real joke.

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She was pulled up on this by an exploding panda:

http://igepanda.blogspot.com/2008/08/ja ... lls-i.html

It's getting like Hitler's last days in the bunker.

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Skimming through Dr. Price's recommended reading list at TheBibleGeek.org I found this comment by Dr. Price:
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"* Acharya S., Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled

Jesus, like Buddha and Krishna, started out as a solar myth. Acharya revives the old solar-stellar mythology approach unjustly abandoned long ado[sic]. Bravo! "
http://webulite.com/node/1818

I guess Ruukie Haywkens didn't see that - probably wouldn't matter anyway because Rook (a pen name) has never actually read "Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled" anyways.

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I guess Rook's real name is Thomas Verenna and he has quite a load of people thoroughly pissed off at him both theists and atheists. I guess his utter intellectual dishonesty has finally caught up with him - and it didn't take very long either. Are you surprised?

With all the big time scholars he named dropped so often claiming they were "peer reviewing" his book or taking him under their wing - why didn't any of them mention that viciously attacking others with malicious lies, smears, libel etc is not a wise thing to do?

Well, it's all irrelevant now because he has ruined what little bit of credibility Rook/Thomas THOUGHT he had and will spend the rest of his life attempting (unsuccessfully) to escape the mess HE has created for himself. I can't say that I feel sorry for him because I don't - he brought all of this on himself. His vicious and malicious attacks on Acharya are unforgivable - he still owes her an apology.

Thomas Verenna / Rook Hawkins has thoroughly proved himself to be an utter embarrassment to skeptics and freethinkers everywhere.

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A young bullshit artist by the pseudonym of “Rook Hawkins,” of the now infamous Rational Response Squad, is currently using the name Thomas Verenna (apparently his birth name). Unfortunately for him, the name changed has not changed the fact that he is a full of shit.

First and foremost among his bullshittery is the fact that he often (very often) calls himself a “critical historian” and sometimes even a “public historian,” despite that fact that many of us in the Atheist world doubt that the boy even has a high school diploma.

That fact that he doesn’t have any training at all in the discipline of historical studies doesn’t seem to bother the boy one bit.

Not that being an “autodidact” (as he claims), in and of itself, is anything to be ashamed of, but when a person self-addresses themselves as a “public historian” we (those of us who study history) have certain expectations for that person, e.g. having published some original work or done research with sources documents, etc.

So what is the point? Well, I, as a history student, am annoyed that Rook self-applies titles he has not earned in any sense of the word.

But not only that, I have been reading Rice University’s Dr. DeConick’s blog entitled The Forbidden Gospels because she has been commenting on the “new” and improved “Jesus Seminar.” It is fairly interesting to me because of my Divinity background and the fact that while I was attending Seminary the first “Jesus Seminar” was being held. So who appears in Dr. DeConick’s comments the other day? Rook.

So good for him, right? Wrong. He got mentioned (wow, cool) and then wrote a rather lengthy, whiny, post on his new blog claiming that the Rice University professor doesn’t understand his (a nobody with no training) argument:

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http://tomverenna.wordpress.com/2009/02/04/april-deconicks-jesus-is-bankrupt-rehashing/


…I want to start out by making it clear that April has not represented my position correctly. Even when she quotes it in block-quote format, she seems to have missed my words completely. This is a serious problem because we will continue to talk past each other.


She derives another ad hoc [sic] argument from thin air and talks past me. My original point was thus:…

Mythicists examine religious-meme change (how quickly did religious trends change and how much could they have changed over that period of time—for example, euhemerizing a legendary figure of Jesus into a historical setting).”…

If April is going to continually ignore vital questions, misrepresent valid points of investigation, this project will never get on its feet. Instead, we will be grid-locked in a never ending blogersation talking past each other in an ad hoc [sic] war

I have to ask April to carefully read the articles she wants to openly discuss publicly. If she is going to attack a position, she should at least know more about it first.


It is of course insulting to suggest that the Isla Carroll and Percy E. Turner Professor of Biblical Studies at Rice University doesn’t understand his argument. But this is Rook’s modus operandi in his on-going pursuit to present himself as something he is not.

In light of this, I certainly hope that it is merely a coincidence that Dr. DeConick’s desicion to no be involved in the new Jesus Project coicided with Rook’s latest temper tantrum.

Shame on you Rook, go to college.

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http://forlornness.com/2009/02/06/tom-verennarook-hawkins/


LMAO! It gets even better:

"Rook Hawkins" (aka Tom Verenna) just got caught in another BIG LIE!
http://atheismsucks.blogspot.com/2008/0 ... other.html

Thomas Verenna is a lying idiot
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http://thomasverenna.blogspot.com


Now, I am also finding out that Thomas Verenna was also a fellow of The Jesus Project (TJP) until recently being completely removed. My question is how in the hell did he ever get in TJP in the first place - shakes head with amazement. Richard Carrier must be tired of constantly carrying Rook/ Thomas Verenna on his shoulders by now?

The Jesus Project
https://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewto ... 20&t=72190

The Jesus Project gave Tom Verenna the boot!
http://www.rantsnraves.org/showthread.p ... post518911

* Oh, it just got even funnier, as a side note - "Kelly" (Kelly O’Connor/Kasey Grant) from the Rational Response Squad (RRS) is now working, in her words as an, "Adult Entertainer and Professional Goddess" - as a webcam sex kitten: :lol:

(http://kaseygrant.com)

(http://www.myspace.com/kaseygrant)

(http://www.bunnyranch.com/girls/KaseyGrant.php)

Kasey Plays "Enter Sandman" in a Bikini--Expert Drums
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3HmC6Et8go

Humm, all who donated to the RRS must be feeling really dumb right about now?

:lol:

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That just goes to show he is nothing but a Rookie, who doesn't know what he's talking about, as I have said of him for the longest time. The Rookie probably tried to argue with them too. I don't know about finishing high school, but I seriously doubt he went to college.

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Rook Hawkins/tomverenna said...

"Richard Carrier has all his degrees in Classics, Classical Science, and ancient history James. ;-) And, by the by, I plan on getting my BA in Classics as well. =P (PhD...not sure what program I am entering into yet) "

"Then again many historians tend to favor Hegel--Hegel isn't a favorite of theologians. ;-) The argument, though, is that in antiquity, history was far less important--in many cases not important at all--than theology, spirituality, and narrative. Historical methodology doesn't really take that into account because its focus is on something other than theology and the narrative, and more of discovering the historical core--if any--upon which it (sometimes wrongly) assumes the narrative (any narrative) was based. This is the argument I see most often and the one I find most reasonable, in any event."

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http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com/2010/11/new-book-on-mythicism-is-this-not.html

Ahh, so Rook finally admits that historical methodology is not inerrant? I laughed out loud when rook claimed "I plan on getting my BA in Classics" - SAME AS ACHARYA S? You watch, next thing ya know he'll enter into the Greek Classic program - SAME AS ACHARYA S DID YEARS AGO.

The credentialism constantly thrown at Acharya by people like Rook is nothing more than a hypocritical double-standard and jealousy.

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Sadly I was a member of that site for a while did not stay long though as most of the stuff as has been said here was bullshit. Never been back.


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