Jas "I have the primary source for all the gospels. It is the Egyptian Book of the Dead"
LOL - nice one Jas
GreekOrthodoxy "Freethink Stated: Some of this link may be slightly outdated, for example, the last bullet here, the fragment thought to be the Gospel of John is known as P52 or the Rylands fragment which is most likely dated to 170CE =/- 25 years.
MY RESPONSE: I missed that. What's your source? As I said in my previous post. P52 dates from 117-138."
"Rylands fragment" or P52, which contains several dozen letters scattered across four verses of John's gospel (18:31-33). The presumed dating of P52 to the first half of the second century has been called "sensational" and seems untenable.
~ WWJ 68
"...paleographical study published in the Archiv für Papyrusforschung 35 (1989), German scholar Andreas Schmidt suggested a date for P52 of 170 AD/CE +/- 25 years."
~ WWJ 69
New Testament professor and Christian manuscript expert Dr. Larry Hurtado states: ...because paleographical dating can rarely be more precise than +/- 25 to 50 years, the proposed dating of many manuscripts will lie across two centuries (e.g., second/third century CE)."
~ WWJ 69
GreekOrthodoxy "There's more to Christianity then the New Testament. This is all Evangelicals and Protestants have because they are outside the Church. They don't have the fullness of the Christian faith. Christ also left us with His CHURCH -- the Orthodox Church and an oral tradition. This Church can trace it's lineage all the way back to Christ and the apostles. We, and we alone, have the correct understanding of the identity of Christ. He is the founder of this Church..."
Yeah, we call that bigotry and fundamentalism. How soon before you start burning people alive again and hanging innocent folks in the streets again? How long before the new, modern Inquisitions kick in full blast? GreekO', you belong to an evil CULT
- simple as that.
Now, how do you plan to meet the Jesus challenge with primary source evidence?
Where are the primary sources proving that the canonical gospels as we have them were in existence at the end of the first century?
It's simple: Prove these canonical gospels as we have them existed by the end of the FIRST century. Please produce the autographs of the gospels themselves written by the very hands of the evangelists. These texts must contain the name of the books, such as "The Gospel According to Matthew, etc."
We will also accept as evidence any primary source of verbatim quotes in the historical record. These primary sources, such as the patristic writings, must be originals or be certified by a third party of the time as EXACT copies of what the Church fathers wrote. The patristic writings with the verbatim quotes from the canonical gospels must also contain the exact names of those gospels as we have them. (We are aware of Justin Martyr's discussion of "Memoirs," but these are NOT verbatim quotes, and they do not reflect the existence of the canonical gospels as we have them by the end of the first century.)