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gkdas it appears that the sources you hold in high esteem disagree with you. The Encyclopedia Britannica says that Krishna is an incarnation of Vishnu as does Wikipedia.

The reference to the religious tolerance link you cited leads to Barbara Walker, a friend of Acharya who wrote "The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets". Barbara Walker also states that Krishna is an incarnation of Vishnu.

gkdas, it's time for you to concede this point or be banned for flaming us into a juvenile pissing contest. I've seen no source that denies Krishna as being another incarnation of Vishnu.

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"Barbara Walker also states that Krishna is an incarnation of Vishnu."

Yes, but the scriptures say something else.

You might not notice it, but you hold great regard for people who are outsiders to Hinduism, who have no direct contact or understanding of that tradition.

"gkdas, it's time for you to concede this point or be banned for flaming us into a juvenile pissing contest. I've seen no source that denies Krishna as being another incarnation of Vishnu. "

Yes, I also think it's time for you to concede that Krishna was not born on 25. December. Stop quoting bogus people who have no true access to Hinduism.

"be banned" To me this sounds like the methods of the Church. If you cannot tolerate another opinion than that is your problem, not mine.

The scriptures all agree about the birth-date of Krishna, the month of Bhadra (August-September). All followers of Hinduism agree with this. Only you people disagree. And as reference you quote outsiders, wannabe knowers of Hinduism.

Truth be known. And I am not going to look anymore at this page since I honestly feel that you are trying to waste my time. Believe what you want, Krishna did not appear in December. And to remind you one last time: Acharya S is only ASSERTING and CONTENDING. That's it. speculating.

This is pretty weak. You are 1/2 of this pissing match, Freethinka......

Banned? For discussing things on a discussion forum?

Who do you think you are? The RRS?

Geet, gkdas is clearly only here to push his fundamentalist Hindu views. Or at least, pretend to. He's not interested in facts or evidence if it counters his beliefs. No source disagrees that Krishna is an incarnation of Vishnu. Yet, gkdas continues to deny it. My point is not weak, it's a matter of establishing some agreement on an issue that only gkdas disagrees with.

gkdas continues to claim that Acharya only "contends this or asserts that" with no sources. Well, as I've pointed out several times for now, H/SHE HAS NEVER READ ACHARYA'S WORK. So, how would h/she know? H/she has no Idea what they're talking about when it comes to Acharya's work. Acharya cites her sources very carefully, there are over 1,800 footnotes in "Suns of God" alone plus the over 250 books and articles plus, over 100 images. We are sick and tired of these types of LIES

Myself and Mriana have provided several independent sources from different time periods PROVING that Acharya didn't just make it up by "contending this or asserting that". I have even sited his own sources he held in high esteem back to him. Yet he still continues with H/her mantra.

H/she has been shown that the comments pertaining to Acharya are false. He continues repeating this mantra which makes h/her comments further dishonest, fallacious, libelous and disrespectful. I have been banned from the RRS for much less.

I don't think this person knows much about the Hindu religion at all. Is this person a friend of yours Geetarmoore? What exactly is your problem why are you posting here, now? Are you suddenly a Hindu expert now? Or were you just lingering around here looking for the opportunity to make a comment like this?

- No, for being a troll. And you are now participating in the pissing contest - good job. You should know how difficult it can be to debate and have a discussion with religious fanatics.

Further more, this gkdas is *NOT* from any Hindu country as h/she uses a different IP with nearly every post here. I smell a TROLL

"In the Sanskrit Dictionary, compiled more than 2,000 years ago, we find a full account of the incarnate deity Vishnu, who appeared in human form as Crishna. Vishnu, being moved to relieve the earth of her load of misery and sin, came down from heaven, and was born of the virgin Devaki, on the 25th of December"
- "Aryan Sun Myths" by Sarah Elizebeth Titcomb 1889

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Please...

I'm 'lingering' here, because I've taken an interest in trying to find references - on my own - in regarding some of the claims that I've always felt were sketchy in Christ Conspiracy. On this issue, I'm going to partially agree with you, depending on what your idea of 'virgin' birth is. From the way I've been able to deduce, Krishna was 'transfered' into the womb of Devaki, who may or may not have technically been a "virgin". I would call in an immaculate birth. Regarding the birth time itself, I haven't been able to track it down, but I don't deny it outright either... It's clear that Vishnu was a 'sun' god, and that it would make sense for the 'birth' to be the winter solstice. "Making sense" does not equal evidence, however. I need to do more research until I am able to track this information down for myself. I would suggest that YOU should have no problem with this.

I've read the new Zeitgeist companion, and what I've understood from it most is; 'Some of this stuff isn't easy to find', and I'm willing to take that at face value. I'm looking.

I do, however, think it's bull that you should attack a poster on your forum who doesn't agree with threatened banning, rather than just continually backing up your ascertaitions and trying to bend them to your point of view with evidence. This is exactly what the RRS dildos did to you guys over there, and pardon me if I feel it legitimately smacks of hypocrisy.

I need to know if your form is a place for discussion, or a place where you either adopt the host view point, or leave. What is it?

The scriptures do not say something else. It seems to me that you not only do not know calendars, as well as scriptures, but the possibility that you are a juvenile that is arguing with adults that have degrees is great, IMHO. I don't even think gkdas is a Hindu, much less a fundamentalist Hindu.

S/he has not only not read Acharya's work, but hasn't even read the outside sources I posted. I said I smelled a troll a long time ago.

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I don't think you understand. I have posted a number of sources from various places, books, etc. gkdas has not read any of them, because if s/he did they would know where we are coming from.

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Well, the 'scriptures' of Christianity don't show the birth date of Jesus Christ either, Gkdas - but there for sure is a 'traditional' date. The information we seek isn't always in the scriptures, but rather sometimes in secondary writings.

Yes but the ancient Hindu calendar was far far different than we have today.

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Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~ Thomas A. Edison

- It's actually easier to just read the book as I'm not about to regurgitate a 600 page book for anyone.

- No, you misunderstand, NOBODY disagrees that Krishna is an incarnation of Vishnu. It has nothing to do with agreement with me or Acharya. Again, Acharya DID NOT MAKE IT UP. Again, No source disagrees that Krishna is an incarnation of Vishnu. Yet, gkdas continues to deny it. My point is not weak, it's a matter of establishing some agreement on an issue that only gkdas disagrees with. What part of that do you not understand?

- Have you not been read this thread? Mriana and I have been doing that all along, meanwhile, gkdas, has ignored them all and continued repeating the same arguments that have already been debunked repeatedly now by several different independent sources. Again, what part of that do you not understand?

- I'll agree that what gkdas is doing is largely what the RRS do - they attack an authors work they've never read at all and when someone points out the obvious they ban them. Now, it's gotten so bad over there that if anyone even mentions Acharya at RRS they delete the thread/post and if anyone should disagree with their views about Acharya you WILL be banned. The RRS has become an embarrassment to Freethinkers due to the ignorance, bigotry and malicious smears they toss at those they have extreme prejudice against e.g. Acharya.

- I have had enough experience on forums to know that there are a bunch of irrational, unreasonable people out there who drag the debate down with nonsense e.g. flaming/trolling, designed to keep people from accomplishing anything constructive. I don't like those forums, and I don't want this one to degenerate into one of them. In fact, THIS forum should be a respite from such socially retarded behavior. We can't get to second base if someone keeps tripping us up on first base by refusing to play fair with such dishonesty and trolling such as what we've seen here by gkdas. Also, I'd like to focus on the QUALITY of people on this forum, not just having any warm body around. So far, we have determined that this person, gkdas, is NOT reasonable and is just here to heckle, cast aspersions and to ASSERT himself as an authority, apparently, operating on "divine revelation." This forum is not designed to cater to religious fanatics with such claims and in fact, strives to expose such non-sense, which is precisely what we've done here. Notice how gkdas has been posting proving our point? So, these claims of censorship are disingenuous as this very thread and many others here prove.

gkdas has repeatedly impugned Acharya's integrity even AFTER gkdas has been shown to be in error. We don't allow ad homs, disrespectful, dishonest, libelous and fallacious remarks against Acharya or others here like I see at other forums. I get PM's from others here demanding me as a mod here to address it. I'm sure you understand Geetarmoore.

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Here's an entire book discussing Krishna as an AVATAR or incarnation of Vishnu. This person is no more "bogus" than the gkdas on the forum here who is ASSERTING and CONTENDING that Krishna is NOT an incarnation of Vishnu, against ALL other sources. "Krishna, Lord Or Avatara: The Relationship"

If the scriptures supposedly say something else, then this guy needs to go about the internet, to all news media, particularly in India, as well as every Hindu temple, and straighten out everyone else with his new revelation. Then go on to inform Vishnu/Krishna of this as they are apparently also unaware of gkdas' claims.

gkdas sounds much like a fundamentalist Christian who believes God is talking to him directly.

"Krishna, Vishnu, Vasudeva and Narayana are all "identical with brahman-atman." They are all the "Supreme Personality of Godhead" - do you deny that? How then can you be considered a devout Hindu, which you evidently are, since you will only accept as authority the "scriptures?"

[Be aware that this source is the founder of the Hare Krishna movement or ISKON, a more fanatical Hindu organization can hardly be found. If gkdas has an issue with what's said here, he needs to take it up with THEM. I'm sure they'd love to have gkdas in their forum.]

"Bhagavad-Gita As It Is: With the Original Sanskrit"

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I have right in my hands the text of Srimad Bhagavata Book X, thanks to Amazon. Chapter 2 is titled "Prayers offered to Brahma and the other Gods to Visnu Who had Entered the Womb"

Verse 4-5:

Humm... seems to me like a virgin birth story. Then there is some "Song of Mary" (so to speak) happening.

Third chapter is Krsna's Birth. It speaks of the constellation of the stars in the first verse. It calls Devaki the goddess of the moon- Verse 8: Now of course, they are calling this baby Hari [Krsna].

In verse 12:

I don't know, but it sounds to me like Acharya is right again. Does anyone need me to go further in the text or is everyone present satisfied?

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Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~ Thomas A. Edison

Nice one, Mriana!

Krishna's brother Balarama was conceived from a white hair of Vishnu, while Krishna himself was conceived from a black hair.

Balarama was then magically transferred into the womb of Rohini - now can we agree we are discussing MYTHS?

Why everyone is getting his or her knickers in a twist over myths, I don't know. That's the whole problem with the planet, isn't it? Killing, torturing, tormenting, abusing over myths held to be "religion."

(Mriana, this is not directed at you, except the first line.)

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Thank you. Someone kept quoting the SB and I didn't have that text to actually debate it. So I sent off for it via Amazon to read it myself. Lo and behold...

People yell and scream that we're wrong, but upon further research it's right there! Like I said somewhere else, Acharya tells it the way it is. Why people can't see that, I don't know.

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Nonviolence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind. It is mightier than the mightiest weapon of destruction devised by the ingenuity of man. ~ Gandhi

Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~ Thomas A. Edison

This is a real hard one for people to understand.

It's probably going to require an entire book to set the record strait on this issue. It's such a heated debate that I would think that an entire book about it would sell lots of copies. I don't know, just a passing thought.

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