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"The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture. There are many people today who are concerned with the serious problems that face our modern society: unemployment, violent crime, replacement of humans by technology, over-population and a decline in the Earth's ecosystems. As you will see, The Venus Project is dedicated to confronting all of these problems by actively engaging in the research, development, and application of workable solutions. Through the use of innovative approaches to social awareness, educational incentives, and the consistent application of the best that science and technology can offer directly to the social system, The Venus Project offers a comprehensive plan for social reclamation in which human beings, technology, and nature will be able to coexist in a long-term, sustainable state of dynamic equilibrium.

The plans for the Venus Project offer society a broader spectrum of choices based on the scientific possibilities inherent in current technology and direct that knowledge toward a new era of peace and sustainability for all cultures. Through the implementation of a resource-based economy, and a multitude of innovative and environmentally friendly technologies directly applied to the social system, The Venus Project proposals will dramatically reduce crime, poverty, hunger, homelessness, and many other pressing problems that are common throughout the world today.

One of the cornerstones of the organization's findings is the fact that many of the dysfunctional behaviors of today's society stem directly from the dehumanizing environment inherent in the existing monetary system. Moreover, the currently utilized random implementation of automation and other technologies have resulted in a fragmented, self-defeating trend occurring throughout the manufacturing and high-tech sectors of today's global economy--namely the technological replacement of human labor by machines. The Venus Project proposes a social system in which automation and technology would be intelligently applied and integrated into an overall social design where the primary function would be to maximize the quality of life rather than profits. This project also introduces a set of workable and acceptable human values that are more appropriate and in balance with our present state of technology."

http://www.thevenusproject.com


The Venus Project by Jacque Fresco is mentioned at time 111:15 in the new Zeitgeist: Addendum movie
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7695921912


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The Venus Project sounds like a way of bringing the world into the next level. It seems logical that an advancing society should move out of a monetary system at some point. But as for the resistance against such a thing from the Christian community, take a look at this quote in relationship to what most of us know around here about both astrotheology and conspiracy theories:

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"The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture."


Now most of the people on this forum know that the planet Venus was referred to as "The Morning Star", which was called the "Light Bearer", and "Lucifer" in mythology.

Link: The Construction of Lucifer In The Bible

So the Christian conspiracy theorists are looking at a situation where "The Venus Project" is out to eliminate our former institutions and change the entire structure of society on a global scale, right as we draw closer to 2012 when many people expect to see this sort of radical change in society begin to set in. It takes only a little imagination to see "The Venus Project" as being "The Lucifer Project"! :lol:

Acharya has already been slandered as a "Luciferian" by certain Christian conspiracy theorists on u-tube as well. Now here we are promoting "The Venus Project" in the forum for all of the browsing Christian conspiracy theorists reading through here to wrap their minds around. :lol: Which is kind of funny in that sense.

Link: Luciferian conspiracy theories

But the main problem for any conspiracy theorists out there is this:

Lucifer is an allegorical character in an astrological story about the planet Venus, not a literal historical personage, being, nor conscious entity of any type! The character of Lucifer was essentially nothing more than a 'mythological personification' of the 'planet venus' up in the sky / heavens. The Planet Venus (Lucifer symbolically) is not a conscious being, the planet venus is not out to control the world with a NWO, and Acharya is not a devotee of the planet Venus up in the sky that shines bright just before sunrise. :wink:

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Very good insight Tat. I posted the Venus Project because it looks interesting - I haven't seen any of the videos beyond ZG - A. So, I don't really know all that much about it but, at least the discussion about potential changes to the current worldwide system based on scarcity and dependence is being looked at for a change. I like the innovation of the Venus Project. They were right about a lot of things not least the current monetary system. I hope something comes from it.

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I'm getting into it myself FTL.

Honestly, it seems like the only logical direction for the planet as a whole. The main thing here is that human greed and selfishness is the actual Devil in this world. All of the mythological heavens, hells, Gods, and demons are within you. By replacing scarcity with abundance it seems only logical that the inner Devil within us all will have been successfully defeated - psychologically. It's always been a psychological issue.

The Churches all compete against one another with exclusivity titles of self importance - first Church of this, and First Church of that, etc. The teaching that only those who follow a certain modern prophet will be saved etc. etc.

That is essentially this 'beast mentality' at work within the institutional churches of Christianity. "Me, me, me... I'm one of the chosen few who will have an eternal life while everyone who doesn't believe what I believe burns in hell forever and ever". It's completely selfish oriented thinking through and through!

So as I was watching "The Venus Project" commentary I had several insights that related to all of this mythological reasoning that I'd been considering over the years. In one sense, the Venus project is out to bring an end to the old 'beast mentality' in human society. If anything, it seems to reflect the 'end' of the reign of the beast, which has been going on for a long time, by ending the selfish, self centered, monetary systems of the world. From this perspective the fall of the old institutions, the religious institutions included, parallels the idea of the fall of Babylon / confusion when the perspective is shifted around like this.

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....In one sense, the Venus project is out to bring an end to the beast mentality in human society. If anything, it seems to reflect the 'end' of the reign of the beast, which has been going on for a long time, by ending the selfish, self centered, monetary systems of the world. From this perspective the fall of the old institutions parallels the idea of the fall of Babylon / confusion.


LOL - that's a great way to put it! The self-fulfilling 'prophecies' have climaxed now with the current worldwide financial crisis (although I haven't heard any issues with the Muslim banking systems yet - I hope it's not their opportunity to take-over the west). This is the perfect opportunity to make such changes - it will be the 1,000 year rein of sustainable peace and abundance. te, he

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FTL wrote:
This is the perfect opportunity to make such changes - it will be the 1,000 year rein of sustainable peace and abundance. te, he


That's the spirit! :lol:

But seriously, in the allegorical story the world is run by "the beast" until the "the beast" is eventually defeated resulting in a new era of world wide peace that sounds very Aquarian Age like. If the beast represents our survival of the fittest selfish tendencies which the monetary system enables, well then the end of the monetary system would cause the end of the beast mentality. So perhaps as we move toward the Aquarian Age the monetary system will fall apart and people will live and think very differently in the future.

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I'm ready right now - got no money anyways ... :lol:

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Now's a good time for sure - I don't think anybody has any money right now. :lol:

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The Venus Project is a educational think tank operating out of a 25-acre Research Center located in Venus, Florida.


That settles where the "Venus" of the "The Venus Project" actually comes from. Perhaps I'll get around to visiting the Research Center some day.

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yup. I got no money either. luckily I don't seem to have any desire to have any anyways.

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Wall Street tumbles amid global sell-off
Monday October 6, 12:27 pm ET

By Joe Bel Bruno, AP Business Writer
Stocks decline amid global worries credit crisis is spreading; Dow falls below 10,000


NEW YORK (AP) -- Financial markets took a bleak view of the future Monday, seeing contagion in a credit crisis that threatens to cascade through economies globally despite government efforts to provide relief. The Dow Jones industrials skidded more than 400 points and fell below 10,000 for the first time in four years, while the credit markets remained under strain.

Investors around the world have come to the sobering realization that the Bush administration's $700 billion rescue plan won't work quickly to unfreeze the credit markets. Global banks, hobbled by wrong-way bets on mortgage securities, still remain starved for cash as credit has dried up.

That's caused stocks to plunge in the U.S., Europe and Asia, and drove investors to sink money into the relative safety of U.S. government debt. Fears about a global recession also caused oil to drop below $90 a barrel; and the benchmark index that gauges fear in the market jumped to the highest level in its 18-year history.


I recall that Jacque mentioned in the movie that the current monetary system will have to fail in order for the Venus Project to really take off. Well, that seems to be a process well underway at this point. The $700 billion rescue plan amounting to creating more money out of thin air...

I suppose it's getting ever more likely that the monetary system may well collapse on it's own accord opening an opportunity for a completely new social and economic change to replace it. Who knows?

In any event, Peter Joseph sure picked the right time to release "Zeiteist: Addendum" calling attention to the "Venus Project".

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yup. I got no money either. luckily I don't seem to have any desire to have any anyways.

Hah, me too. And cannot get a job. ;p
I laugh nearly every day when I hear more news about financial collapse of this worlds economy. I tried to post a comment on one of this countries most popular newspaper websites, nonetheless, it was not approved.


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Another issue is that many people have come along accusing the Venus Project of being communistic socialism. Here's a quote from the Q&A section of the site:

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Q. Is this what Karl Marx advocated?

A. Although Marx was a brilliant man for his time, he did not foresee the methods and advantages of a high-tech resource-based economy. Communism used money and labor, had social stratification, and elected officials to maintain the communists’ traditions. Most importantly, Communism did not eliminate SCARCITY nor did they have a blueprint or the methods for the production of abundance. Machine production rather than labor will dominate the future. Perhaps through no fault of their own, they also had to maintain huge military expenditures to protect themselves from invasion of fascistic and capitalistic institutions.

Q. How does The Venus Project Compare with Communism?

A. Communism being similar to a resource-based economy or The Venus Project is an erroneous concept. Communism has money, banks, armies, police, prisons, charismatic personalities, social stratification, and is managed by appointed leaders. The Venus Project's aim is to surpass the need for the use of money. Police, prisons and the military would no longer be necessary when goods, services, healthcare, and education are available to all people. The Venus Project would replace politicians with a cybernated society in which all of the physical entities are managed and operated by computerized systems. The only region that the computers do not operate or manage is the surveillance of human beings. This would be completely unnecessary and considered socially offensive. A society that uses technology without human concern has no basis of survival. Communism has no blueprint or methodology to carry out their ideals and along with capitalism, fascism, and socialism, will ultimately go down in history as failed social experiments.

Q. How does this system differ from Marxism, besides the technological use?

A. Communism is a political system managed by a form of ideology, which does not necessarily relate to human or environmental needs. Communism uses money, banks, armies, police, prisons, charismatic personalities, social stratification, and is managed by appointed leaders and uses indoctrination. The Venus Project's aim is to surpass the need for the use of money. Police, prisons, banking, advertising, stockbrokers, military, and government would no longer be necessary when goods, services, healthcare, and education are available to all people. The Venus Project would replace politicians with a cybernated society in which all of the physical entities would as quickly as possible be managed and operated by computerized systems. The only region that the computers do not operate or manage is the surveillance of human beings. This would be completely unnecessary and considered socially offensive. A society that uses technology without human concern has no basis of survival. Communism has no blueprint or methodology to carry out their ideals and along with capitalism, fascism, and socialism will ultimately go down in history as failed social experiments. One of Communism’s concerns is the condition of labor and the working class. The Venus Project’s major concerns are producing products with limited labor and eventually eliminating labor and at the same time giving people all the amenities of a prosperous, high energy society. It is not our aim to produce a society that does nothing but enjoy leisure time. Instead people will be introduced to limitless opportunities to explore, create, participate, and learn.

Q. How does this differ from Communism?

A. While communism is a much more humane social system than what we have today, we feel it does differ considerably from the direction we advocate. While Marx offered a bold new direction in his time, it falls far short of what can be accomplished with today's technology applied with human and environmental concern.

The Venus Project offers science and technology in the service of humankind on a global scale and eventually helps to eliminate all the artificial boundaries that separate people. The system uses no money and makes goods and services available without a price tag, debt, barter, or servitude of any kind. If we use our technology intelligently, we can create an abundance of goods and services for the entire planet. We use machines and automation to produce and distribute all manufactured products, which will be available at distribution centers to everyone. The purpose of this high technology is to free people so they can pursue their own interests and fulfillments.

We would surpass the need for human participation in the production of goods and services. There is no taxation or obligation of any kind. We advocate no government by human systems. They have always proved inadequate. Computerized systems and cybernetics would be applied to the social system and must comply with the carrying capacity of our global resources. The machines’ main purpose is for the manufacturing and distribution of goods and services while maintaining a clean environment with service to all and profits to none. When people have access to resources, most crimes will disappear. The need for police, military, and prisons will eventually vanish with it. Of course this will coincide with the necessary changes in education. I hope this helps to clarify some points. We realize this is a simplified description of how it differs from communism.

Q. Could you respond to the 1949 essay I sent you from Albert Einstein regarding his views on socialism?

A. Socialism as regarded by Einstein was based on the times in which he lived. Socialism, updated, would no longer be concerned with employing millions of people. Its major concern would be the production of goods and services by the best means available in the present. This would call for automation and new, more efficient arrangements of the social complex no longer based just on the opinions and ideals of social radicals. The new direction would be based on the carrying capacity of the earth which is to say, the availability of resources and technical personnel. Even this approach would be transitional.

We must consider the drawbacks of an established social arrangement and evolve toward an emergent social system based on the latest social innovations that will eliminate scarcity and provide for the needs of all.

Rather than decentralizing I now believe it is possible, through computer technology and advanced cybernetics, to return to centralization with some advantage. That is to say, from a centralized point of view, we can now observe conditions worldwide and make corresponding adjustments to meet human needs. The old concept of centralization used the governing bodies of social systems to benefit only those in positions of differential advantage. With centralization today, it would be possible to provide the governing body, whether machines or personnel, with information on a global scale.

In future production technology, designs of machinery and industrial plants would no longer be based upon sales or monetary gain. Instead, production facilities would make the most efficient use of resources to provide human needs on a global scale. This changes all previous concepts of production facilities. And also, in this new emergent global society, newer technologies would be applied in all areas in the most efficient manner.

The objectives of this new global social system would be the well being and education of all people.

The new technology would not monitor people; this would be considered socially offensive and non-productive. The purpose and use of advanced technology is to free people from boring and dangerous tasks. It will enable them to pursue their own interests in arts and sciences which would be directed toward social improvement.

A society based upon limitless and continual innovation has no final frontiers

http://www.thevenusproject.com/introFaq.php

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What is 'The Venus Project'?






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Ah, but who will protect the Venus project from the (individual and collective) idiot ego of the male? That ego will decide who rules the place, and who are the outsiders, and evil will continue apace. With all those phallic towers in the VP mock-up, I'd say this is just another patriarchal "Penis Project." Count me out.

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The VP is headed by a male and female pair. And that's the way of the future! We've had the Matriarchy, we've had the Patriarchy, now what? What does common sense suggest? Think hard for a moment. Could it be that neither a Matriarchy or Patriarchy properly represents human society as a collective whole? Could it be that everyone is perfectly equal in reality and the males and females should be equally involved in future society. Is the tired old Matriarchy verse Patriarchy just as played out as the tired old theist verses atheist debates that have grown so stale. I think so.

Equality is the way of the future!

Inequality is the way of our past.

The present is but a stepping stone.

Do you want to walk through life constantly looking backwards or are you ever going to look ahead? Humanity is an evolving state of affairs (emergent) and we have been pulling to the left and right through history but gradually trying to center out all the while. The future that this Male / Female pair are proposing is one of centering ourselves more so than has ever been done in the history of mankind. The arguments you've presented here are biased towards the Matriarchy of antiquity and therefore out alignment with a future centered perspetive over favoring either Matriarchy or Patriarchy. Matter is not literally evil, Humans are not literally evil, I don't believe in such a thing as absolute good or evil in the first place. It's getting old already.

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