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Wrong! You must open your mind a little bit wider young Christian. The priesthood that was responsible for this myth making created a mythic Hero for the Piscean Age that consisted of combining several different elements - two of which were the element of a tekton (mason) and a Nazarite. A Nazarite referred to a sect, not a physical location that existed in the early first century, according to Acharya S:



The Nazarite "sect" contributing to the creation of the Jesus myth! Not a literal person who was literally both a Nazarite and a mason from world history, but an idealized personification deity used to express the views of certain factions.

It was nice of Keith to define what a straw man argument was right before presenting everyone with this straw man of his own.

Dudekin, as for the claim of the Freemasons creating Christianity, one has to assume that the mystery schools were the "Freemasonry" of that era, before the term "Freemasonry" had come about. The mysteries were used to create Christianity and the mysteries were of ancient antiquity and the monolithic building stone masonry was associated with the mystery knowledge. It would be more proper to say that the ancient mysteries were used to create both Christianity and the later secret society of Freemasons who are both based on the ancient mystery school traditions:



As time went on the same mystery school knowledge that was used to create Christianity continued to evolve and became "Freemasonry" later on, as Manly P. Hall suggested in "The Secret Teachings of all Ages":

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This is very simple. Was Tiberius claimed to be God on Earth who raised people from the dead, having the dead walking all around in Jerusalem, and famed far and wide for these miraculous acts of divinity? Then why try and compare him with someone who was? Would they have missed out on the dead rising out of their graves and walking through the streets and a GodMan famed far and wide who was considered responsible for it? I doubt it.

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I thank you for your input

If you check out his sources in regards to the Tacitus video, they're all Evangelical Christians, and their view point is laughable. I've had a pretty in depth read of his 'refutation', and it's just like all his other videos; Biased, Bigoted Bunk.

I don't know exactly, because I haven't studied Blavatsky's works - because I am NOT a follower of her ideology in any way, shape or form - but it is my understanding that she doesn't even claim Jesus was the sun or a sun god at all. Show me exactly where Blavatsky says Jesus is the sun? So, once again, Keith doesn't know what he's talking about. He just repeats lies over and over again.

From what I've seen Blavatsky believed the "real" Jesus was a "great master" who really lived. When she says anything about the sun gods, she quotes OTHERS before her. So either way, the theory of Jesus as a sun god did NOT originate with Blavatsky, and Keith is just plain WRONG. Of course, we already knew that, but the punk is so obsessed and dishonest that he can't admit how badly educated and informed he really is.

Also, Blavatsky got a lot of her stuff from Massey and Higgins, so, again, it didn't originate with her. Once more, Keith is WRONG, in his incredibly poor education. Keith's writing is sloppy, bordering on illiterate, and what he does get right to any degree, he's gotten from other Christian apologists. It seems to me he doesn't even know Blavatsky's work, while he's pretending to be an expert! He's also made comments about Acharya's books Suns of God, WWJ and Christ in Egypt that show he hasn't read them, doesn't know a thing about them and isn't an expert on her work at all. So Keith lies and misrepresents himself all the time.

What a megalomaniac - phew! That kid is going to be a world of hurt for the rest of his life because of his enormous ego. I wonder why Jesus allows such badly educated, dishonest and sick fanatics to represent him? They certainly make Christianity look BAD to the civilized and educated people on the planet.

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LMAO!

Using the same "logic" Keith uses to toss out the word "plagiarism," it seems HE'S a plagiarist!

Somebody asked how a drug-addled kid of 19 could produce so much "scholarship" - if you can call it that - so I did a search on a quote of KT's that Tat provides above.

Check it out - Keith pretty much copied it from other websites, and I'd be willing to bet he does that with all the other stuff that makes him look sort of intelligent!

http://tinyurl.com/d64lof

He's obviously copying Holding to a large extent - of course, he does cite Holding as a source in his blog. And I've got say that Holding looks like a genius compared to KT, who can barely spell, has lousy grammar and punctuation. But he's a great scholar! (sarcasm)

I've got more on Holding here -
Shattering Holding's Anti-Mythicist book

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If you pay attention to Keith's blog you'll notice that early on he mentions coming onto Acharya forum and getting attacked by her followers, or however he perceives us:



He sounds as if he wants to go head to head with Acharya herself, as if he's in her league in his own mind (delusional state).



FTL was right, the punk claiming not to be Keith Truth, rather someone else standing in for Keith Truth, was in fact Keith Truth according to Keith Truths own blog.

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Thanks for the input, guys. I want this refutation video (sequence of videos, rather) to be as thorough as possible, not leaving Keith any room to breathe. Unfortunately no doubt, he'll find other inane arguments to mindlessly thrust into the purposefully closed ears of the apologists, it should be easy for anyone who has studied the subject to see through, however; and should thus be irrelevant.

Once again, thank-you for all your input.

OK, so Keith made his last post here on the 21st and the blog appeared on the 22nd. He tried to pretend that he wasn't Keith while he was here on the forum. Despite the obvious, he tried to pretend that he was some other person who came here on Keith's behalf.

Then he turned around and gave himself away with the blog posted on the 22nd.



I think that it's all but obvious at this point that we're dealing with a liar of the pathological type. One who lies when lying isn't even necessary. He didn't have to pretend that he wasn't himself. He could have stuck to the straight and narrow and just presented his arguments as he himself.

This is of course the first requirement for Christian apologetics. The individual must be a pathological liar as a prerequisite. And then must constantly insist they are speaking in terms of the "truth". Keith is by all means a well qualified candidate for the Christian apologetics community in this regard.

Dudekin, you might want to consider making this little episode here at the forum into a u-tube video. The fact that Keith would come here to defend himself pretending that he was someone else only to turn around and expose himself in the end by posting a blog about his ordeal here deserves mentioning.

Once again, one might ask, "What would Jesus think?"

Lucky for Keith the question is irrelevant because Jesus is a mythological construct who doesn't "think" anything. If Keith were correct, and Jesus were coming to the earth with the New Jerusalem in tow ready to send all liars, death, and the grave into a "lake of fire", then Keith would have much to fear right about now. All of this work to try and defend Jesus would amount to him burning in a lake of fire in the end for choosing to resort to lying and deception as his primary act of defense.

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The "Jesus Christ" of the New Testament is a fictional composite of characters, real and mythical. A composite of multiple "people" is no one.

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Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah?

Keith Thompson Interviewed by Chris White (NowhereToRun1984)

45 - CW "sloppy...she doesn't source things & things like that"

Chris White (CW) has clearly never actually studied Acharya's work as she has 4 books to date totaling nearly 2,000 pages with over 5,550 footnotes/citations. "Christ in Egypt" contains over 2,400 ALONE.

1:00 CW "She's had plenty of people over the years just outright own her showing that she just made things up." KT "Licona, Price"

Nobody has ever demonstrated that she made anything up because she never has - it's a lie that people like KT & CW select to believe.

Licona is a hypocritical Christian apologist with double-standards out to shore-up the faith. He's an atheist when it comes to all other gods and religions but when it comes to Jesus as the son of God, born of a virgin, walked on water, healed the blind & sick, raised the dead, was crucified on a cross and resurrected 3 days later, soon to return - Licona really believes he did and said everything in the bible.

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

- Historian Stephen Henry Roberts 1901-71

KT & CW conveniently omits the fact that Dr. R. Price removed his review of "Christ Conspiracy" YEARS AGO because he no longer stands by it. And he wrote the foreword to Acharya's book titled, "Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ" (2007). And he also leans towards her work demonstrating a late 2nd century gospel creation.

1:20 CW "She knows on some level that she is disseminating false info. Like her new book "Christ in Egypt" I don't know if it's out... but all the research she did in that she found out at some point that it was not true..."

CIE has been out since Feb 2009. The nearly 600 page book demonstrates with a monumental amount of primary sources, expert commentary and peer reviewed scholarly journals from a huge bibliographical collection of over 900 references that in fact, her research is not "made up" but, rather based on actual facts and evidence. She doesn't need to make anything up like KT and CW do - they are pathological liars on these issues. Neither KT or CW have studied any of her books let alone this one. They honestly believe that their OPINION is all they need to be an authority to decide what is or what is not true. Their constant stream of xian biases and bigotry ruins any credibility they think they have. They are "Liars for the Lord" as Joseph Wheless said.

1:50 KT "She quotes Plutarch as saying that Horus was born in the winter solstice. First of all, Plutarch is so far removed from the Egyptian religion that to quote him as an authority on the objective belief of the Egyptians is just ridiculous. Plutarch was like a 1st or 2nd century historian. He wasn't an ancient historian from 3,000 BC or something."

What evidence does KT have that Plutarch was "far removed" from the Egyptian religion? KT is simply ignorant concerning both Plutarch and the Egyptian religion. Plutarch lived at a time when the Egyptian religion was very popular all over the Roman Empire, throughout the Mediterranean. Nothing major Plutarch said differed from what we know about the Egyptian religion today. Even Budge - a Christian - and Egyptologist says Plutarch is accurate. Besides the evidence of Horus being born on the winter solstice doesn't rest with Plutarch. There is much more, but KT and CW wouldn't know that either. Neither of them have any qualifications or credentials between them. No formal training no linguistic skills, nothing. They're just fundy Christians out to shore-up the faith however they can. Even if it means smearing, libeling and defaming a single female author/scholar - an actual living human being.

2:30 [Plutarch] "That's the Genesis of this thing. So, of course her base level has to be Plutarch and the rest has to lie...she sources her references from Plutarch on but she has to lie from pre-Plutarch"

LOL, there are primary sources prior to Plutarch in all of her works but in CIE it's enormous - these guys clearly have no clue what they're talking about. Anyone who's actually studied her works knows better - anyone who's read CIE will laugh at that notion. These guys have no idea how badly & deeply they're putting their foot in their mouths and thoroughly embarrassing themselves.

I would feel sorry for them except that people have actually explained to them they're wrong for over a year since they started their smear campaign after Zeitgeist first came out in the summer/fall of 2007 - and they refused to make any necessary corrections. Yes, even AFTER they've been corrected and it has been demonstrated to them they were wrong - they continued on repeating the same lies. Notice all they can do is claim "she's lying" or "making it up" but they can't demonstrate it in any honest way whatsoever - that's because it's a lie. They're lying about her work and it's called "libel" and in audio it's called "slander" when you know you're lying and you do it on purpose with malicious intent it's against the law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation


2:50 KT "I know she's been coaching a kid on youtube named dudekin"

Another false claim - ask dudekin if Acharya has ever been in contact with him at all & the answer will be no. Just because dudekin or anyone else has actually read Acharya's works and defends it against lies or tries to set the record straight doesn't mean Acharya is coaching them or even in contact with them at all. People like KT & CW cannot accept the fact that someone who has studied her works just knows for a fact that they're wrong. These guys go around the net accusing anyone who defends Acharya's works as being *HER* - and now KT is accusing them of being "coached by her" - it's so utterly absurd. These guys have serious issues.

3:05 KT "I made the true claim that no one in the ancient world umm...basically, the claim that Jesus was just the sun and never existed or was the age of Pisces is a completely modern claim. That wasn't a claim in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th centuries."

No KT, your claim has already thoroughly been addressed on the first page here from the "New Age Infiltration of the Truth Movement" video was - KT At 6 minutes said "these claims that Jesus is just the sun or that Christianity is just a metaphor for astrology are not ancient beliefs at all. In fact, these accusations only appear in the later half of previous millennium."

Keith, your claim that "these accusations only appear in the later half of previous millennium" was proven utterly false, and there's no way for you to get out of it. You've been check-mated with 'nowhere to run' because the facts and evidence show that Jesus has been equated with the sun by many including early church fathers & others throughout history. Tertullian had to address the accusation that Christians worshipped the sun on at least two different occasions. Christian churches to this day still face the east when and where possible.

You tried to imply as you have many times before that it all originated with Blavatsky. That claim is so embarrassingly bogus that only you and CW would attempt to keep repeating it. It demonstrates the embarrassing ignorance you have on these issues. It's no wonder decent Christians distance themselves from you.

Fortunately, the editors of the Catholic Encyclopedia were better educated and didn't have honesty or comprehension issues when it came to Tertullian - they paraphrased his comments from Ad Nationes like this:

"You say we worship the sun, so do you"

3:30 KT "What they did was they quoted a Tertullian passage ...and a St. Augustine passage totally out of context."

The only person here taking things out of context so they can smear, libel and slander others is YOU, Keith.

There are whole studies of the sun symbolism in Christianity, which goes back to Malachi 4:2 and the Church fathers. But, again, you wouldn't know all that, because you are a 19-year-old kid with little education and knowledge. And your organized criminal racket religion prevents you from actually studying anything relevant to the subject you pretend to know all about.

Here's Clement of Alexandria commenting on the Gnostic Valentinus says, "...the Apostles were substituted for the twelve signs of the Zodiac..." http://www.hypotyposeis.org/papers/theodotus.htm

Like I say, that's only a tiny bit of MUCH more.

4:30 KT "There's no evidence that they thought Jesus was the sun that's just not in there."

"Since the Sun passes through the twelve signs of the zodiac in the twelve months of the year, the passing of the year was commonly indicated by the number twelve. For some early Christians, just as the Sun signified Christ so were his twelve apostles indicated by the twelve signs, the twelve months, or the twelve hours from sunrise to sunset."

9:30 KT "This claim the Jesus is Horus and Osiris the sun. If you read "Essays by Blavatsky"...she quotes some fringe scholar and then agrees with him she says:

"De Maleville, a great Hebrew scholar and translator of Rabbinical literature, observes that the Jews give to the moon all those names which, in the Litanies, are used to glorify the Virgin. He finds in the Litanies of Jesus all the attributes of Osiris — the Eternal Sun, and of Horus, the Annual Sun. And he proves it."

Lucifer Magazine 1889 original at Harvard University page 233

KT "That's exactly what Acharya is pushing"

Lets not forget that Zeitgeist only cited Blavatsky ONCE. And Acharya only cites her 3 times in "Christ Conspiracy." So, once again, Keith Trash is full of complete lies. Acharya is NOT pushing anything whatsoever having to do with Blavatsky. This is just another attempt to link Acharya with Blavatsky however you can regardless of the giant leap of faith it takes to get there. Your slander and lies, KT, are probably why your stupid videos keep being removed and your account is blocked. Ever think of that?

KT has just proved his own idiotic contention WRONG, because KT has just shown that Blavatsky did *NOT* originate the idea that Jesus was the sun.

KT also is completely ignorant of Egyptian mythology, which clearly equates Osiris and Horus with the SUN. Acharya has over 600 pages of research on the Egyptian religion - none of which quotes Blavatsky or this other guy. Acharya is quoting EGYPTOLOGISTS, Keith, but you wouldn't know that because you are NOT an expert on Egyptian religion or Acharya's work. You just keep repeating LIES, like some demented parrot.

The claims that Christ as the sun originated in modern history are also complete LIES - and very stupid ones that anyone can disprove. There's NOTHING "out of context" about the Tertullian quotes. But the proof doesn't begin or end there, but, again, you wouldn't know that fact, because you are completely IGNORANT of the history of your own religion. Keep making these stupid recordings full of lies and slander, KT and CW - you are just shooting yourselves in the foot by showing your unbelievable ignorance, arrogance and conceit. Intelligent people will see through your BS - all they have to do is check and actually check Acharya's works for themselves.

KT didn't cite his source very well and why didn't Keith dig deeper into the original by De Maleville? Wouldn't an objective person be curious what he wrote, when he wrote it and in what book? Or was it just more convenient to Keith's argument to just leave it there implying a connection between Blavatsky and Acharya to smear Acharya? Keith please explain how specifically this guy is "a fringe scholar"?

If Blavatsky is quoting another person long before her then, clearly Blavatsky didn't originate the claims as Keith tried to imply in his full version google videos. Then, Keith has just proven himself wrong. Keith, feel free to provide us with the further details from De Maleville - please provide some of his context - cite his book & page number too. Unless, of course, objective research isn't of interest to you then, just do nothing and we'll take it as an acknowledgment that you're only goal is to libel, smear and defame Acharya. Thanks for that admission in advance. We can expect an apology to Acharya when, Keith?

Keith Thompson Interviewed by Chris White (NowhereToRun1984) 2009 Radio/Podcast [3/5]
(www.youtube. com /watch? v=mKlI12d6Rn0)

Keith still doesn't know what theosophy is or what it means.

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From Keith's blog which I haven't had time to even begin to address yet:

Sunday, April 19, 2009
Response to Acharya S's minions regarding my Film 'New Age Infiltration of the Truth Movement Final Cut'
(keithtruth. blogspot. com /2009/04/response-to-acharya-ss-minions. html)

Luva states:

"Also, Acharya does not "advocate the abolition of Christianity" - yet another lie on the part of Keith Balone. Acharya was raised a Christian and was born-again in her 20s. What she does advocate is the understanding of the ancient mythology behind Christianity, which Keith knows little about and continues to lie about."

KT "Acharya advocated the abolition of Christianity in the following quote:

"As far as Christainity's role in this new age Carpenter states: Christianity therefore as I say must either now come frankly forward and acknowledge it's parantage from the great order of the past, seek to rehabilitate that and carry mankind one step forward in the path of evolution - or else it must perish, there is no alternative." p. 416

Read Carpenter's book too "Pagan and Christian Creeds" by Edward Carpenter p264

As I stated, nowhere did she advocate the abolition of Christianity as KT once again proves himself wrong as folks who actually read "Christ Conspiracy" can see for themselves. Christianity is a fraud as the quote she supplies - that's not even HER quote - mentions and too many people are aware of that fact. Therefore, Christianity can either confess what we already know or make itself go extinct like so many other religions of the past.

But you didn't stop there did you KT no, on youtube you go even further spreading your trash:

Keith Truth "Acharya even advocated Christian genocide in her book which I documented"

KT "Actually she did promote genocide. And I documented it in my film."

Caught again in another lie KT. I know, you just can't help it when you're a pathological liar. That's called SLANDER, and you can be sued for it. In some countries you can go to jail for such SLANDER and LIBEL.

If you want to see KT's comments for yourself just do a Ctrl/f & search for "genocide" to find Keith's comments at this youtube video by Dudekin



This BS is a display of the giant leaps of faith you take in order to spread lies about Acharya. And then you wonder why people who've actually studied her work get pissed off? And you don't "document" anything, because you are kid with no credentials and you don't even know how to "document" things - you don't even know the meaning of the word "document," so quit using it.

Keith, with all sincerity, you really are an embarrassment to humanity when you go to such great lengths to twist Acharya's words around and create lies. You leave words or phrases out or add your own words in to put words in her mouth that she never said. You've crossed the line way to far way to many times. I have no respect for you whatsoever. You're a disgusting person who has nothing else to do beyond smoke crack in your moms basement turning your paranoid delusions into videos and blogs. It's time for you to come clean and repent of your sins smearing Acharya. You owe her an apology.

I have to say that in all the time I've been on the net and have been supporting Acharya's works - which is several years - KT and his groupies are the WORST, the nastiest, most vicious, extreme, fanatical and hateful people I've ever encountered. If they represent the "Christian" world, then I want nothing to do with such sick trash.

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LOL, ROTFLMAO

Keith Truth - Liar for the Lord (or just a mixed up kid)?


pass it around ...

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That's a great video!

He's flat out busted.

I was just thinking that some of the better u-tube video makers, like Vega and Dudekin, could take a quote from Keith or Chris claiming that Acharya doesn't give sources and cite information and then show a given page from CIE showing the viewers exactly how she cites her sources on every page of the book. Once again, busted!

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That's a good idea, actually.

I've also found many other lies in Keiths logic, especially regarding Blavatsky's use of the term 'intellectual materialism' which Peter used in Zeitgeist Addendum.

The term was used about 10 yrs before Blavatsky:

Anglican-ritualism as seen by a Catholic and foreigner, essays‎ - Page 28
by Jean Pierre Paulin Martin - 1881

It wouldn't surprise me if this book was infact Blavatsky's source for some of her information, so it may be useful to get hold of.

Keith's "I'm back" video is completely ridiculous!

The guy made false claims against Acharya and the quotes he was referring to were posted in the response video showing very clearly that he had made false accusations! He actually broke Canadian Law with these false accusations. He didn't bother to mention any of that in his video.

That little shout out at the end about praising the Lord, He is risen, says it all. I find it odd that people who subscribe to a literal interpretation of mythology are so quick to try and present themselves as being on the side of solid scholarship, logic, and reason.

How logical and reasonable is it to suggest that an ancient volcano deity spirited himself into the womb of a 12 year old Jewish girl and then went on to heal sick people, walk on water, die on a cross, rise from the dead, and shoot off into the sky?

"He is risen"?

That's a rational mind full of sound logic and absolute truth?

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The "Jesus Christ" of the New Testament is a fictional composite of characters, real and mythical. A composite of multiple "people" is no one.

The celestial Origins of Religious Belief
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Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah?