I noticed some trash in the other thread at TZGM forum on page 4 & 5 - Acharya S & Peter Joseph Radio Address
"4v4l0n42" posted the trash from Chris White which should probably be removed because the videos/blogs etc by Chris & Keith TRASH have absolutely no integrity whatsoever. One cannot have a legitimate, rational, reasonable discussion or debate with pathological liars for the Lord
. They have no intention of sincere, honest discussion - they are only out to shore up their Christian faith at all costs and therefore, they should be ignored. Lets stop enabling such malicious pathological liars for the Lord such as Chris & Trash - it's people like them that helped fuel the Inquisitions and DARK AGES!!!
Would someone please post this response to "cornsail" :
In my view, where "cornsail" sees "bitterness
," Peter Joseph saw "brilliant logic
." What is "bitterness" is obviously in the eye of the beholder. Did "cornsail" check his own "bitter" and "rude" remarks, especially since it is apparent he hasn't studied Acharya's work - "cornsail" inadvertently admits he couldn't read Acharya's ZG Challenge response because it hurt his sensitivities to "bitterness." What does he know about Acharya's work? Has he read Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ and Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection? What has "cornsail" read? When was his opinion of Acharya's work NOT in "freefall?" He has obviously just been trawling the net looking for whatever dirt on Acharya he could find. If "cornsail" desires a more mature level of discourse he may do well to begin with himself - simply stop posting trash.
"cornsail" does not have any background on this issue with the IIDB/ FRDB forum & people there whatsoever, he could actually be "Iasion." Anyway, cornsail's usage of it at TZGM forum is purely to trash & smear Acharya S - it had nothing to do with the topic at hand or Zeitgeist part 1 and should be reported as abuse & asked to be removed.
"Iasion" is utterly obsessed with the Pope Leo X issue - which is no different than the Christian extremist Keith TRASH's obsession with the same Pope Leo X quote. This thread discusses the issue concerning Pope Leo X. Keep in mind that Acharya's work doesn't stand or fall based on this Pope Leo X quote or any other one thing. If you actually read her book you'll notice the great info before & after the Pope Leo mention - these guys are just desperate, grasping for anything they can.
http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/vie ... php?t=2494
It started with "Malachi151" who is also "rationalrevolution" at the Dawkins & Harris forums. His real name is R.G. Price who admits he's never actually read anything by Acharya at all but he was going around posting in forums smearing & trashing Acharya S everywhere he could. He has no relevant qualifications or credentials whatsoever. R.G. Price has absolutely no business posting threads about Acharya S or her work at all.
"Malachi151" eventually started a thread titled, "Why does Acharya S have a CULT following?" - The IIDB mods changed "cult" to [..] AFTER
Acharya joined as an IIDB member - per the rules, to stop the malicious abuse & diatribe against her there. The thread was an endless stream of hateful malicious attacks on Acharya S & anyone who defended her trying to set the record straight.
http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php ... ost5065504
Acharya's first post there:
"As the subject of this vicious and mentally unbalanced diatribe, I am appalled and disgusted to see this type of behavior on a forum that pretends to represent the more "rational" aspect of society. Imagine my shock to find here an unending barrage of disparaging and libelous remarks and heinous insults. How very disappointing.
Now that I a member here, I assume that I will no longer be thus viciously attacked personally with all manner of falsehoods, in line with one of the rules of this forum: "Comments about other users, insults and flames are not acceptable." I find it disturbing that this low and disrespectful behavior has been allowed to go on regardless of whether or not I am a member. Does this type of egregious behavior with individuals who have never read the author's work making all sorts of disparaging comments and personal attacks truly constitute the level and tenor of the Internet Infidel Forum? Is this low mentality and behavior really reflective of constructive discussion? In this regard, IIDB has proved itself to be right down there with the rest of the internet forums with their hateful carping by individuals who evidently have nothing else to do. And those who run this forum are apparently biased and not particularly impressive in their perspective of what constitutes credible and respectable dialogue.
The statement of purpose for this forum goes as follows:
"The Internet Infidels Discussion Forum is operated by the Internet Infidels Inc., a nonprofit educational organization dedicated to defending and promoting a naturalistic worldview on the Internet. The Discussion Forum supports this goal.
"A goal of equal importance is to foster a sense of community among nontheists and to explore any common ground that we might share with theists, whether political, social or philosophical in nature. We also aim to provide helpful references, ideas, and moral support for those struggling with particularly weighty questions or problems in their daily lives."
As I observe, there is NOTHING about this thread in particular that does anything to "defend and promote a naturalistic worldview." Since my entire life's work is to defend and promote a naturalistic worldview, I see absolutely no abidance by this statement of purpose in this thread. What I do see is a bunch of malevolent harpies making personal attacks on me and nitpicking my work - and "mods" who could care less about their appearance and the reputation of this forum, as well as the upholding of its statement of purpose.
Another goal is to "foster a sense of community among nontheists?" Well, I happen to be a "nontheist," and I feel NO community with the nasty and self-serving bigots on this forum. There is certainly NO MORAL SUPPORT, either for me or my friends, who are being censored, threatened and banned for defending me and my good name against incredibly hateful individuals. Again, IIDB is extremely disappointing in falling down on the job of upholding its own statement of purpose.
"...a forum that values fairness, civility, tolerance and objectivity in debate" - are you kidding? I see nothing of the sort here. Nor do I see "impartial and fair management" going on by the moderators. How is banning my defenders "impartial and fair?"
"You agree not to be disruptive." Such remarks as are the basis of this thread - insinuating that I am a "cult leader" - would seem to me to be highly disruptive on a forum that attempts to demonstrate "moderation" and "rationality," as well as fostering "support" and "community." And these vicious and hateful personal attacks are coming from people so lacking in honesty and integrity that they haven't even read my work but pretend to be experts on it! (Or, once they have begun to read my work, they have already established themselves as so biased and bigoted that their perspective must be considered utterly untrustworthy, as well as merely reflective of the same, continuing malicious and untruthful agenda.)
"The Internet Infidels discussion forum tries to be an intellectually-stimulating environment" - I hardly see it as such when one cannot even come here and discuss one's work without being viciously attacked and driven off.
"Poisoning that environment with acrimony is highly discouraged. Please exercise tact and refrain from insulting others or disrupting ongoing discussions with inflammatory speech." Consider IIDB highly poisoned! I see no restraint here in the bad behavior of those who are personally attacking me with all manner of LIBEL and assaults on my credibility, honesty and integrity.
"Off-topic posting or hijacking of threads is inappropriate." As I understand it, this rabid individual named "Malachi/Rational Revolution/R.G. Price has been hijacking threads with all sorts of unbalanced and unfettered vicious, personal attacks on me. And so on, and so forth, ad nauseam.
Very disappointing - and disgraceful. It is an incredible shame that the supposedly most "rational" segment of society cannot even discuss the wonderful and fascinating research that I and others work very hard to bring to light. Fortunately, there are many others who do not let IRRATIONAL and JEALOUS bigotry and prejudice get in their way and who ARE enjoying this material. They will simply stay away from such forums where anything BUT "community" for such observations of the natural world is encouraged.
Talk about an embarassment to the freethinker community.
In the meantime, I will continue to do the work that has brought value to the lives of many thousands of people, regardless of low-level sniping and mindless ad homs tossed about out of apparent jealousy.
P.S. Is Richard Carrier aware of this petty and undignified behavior, and does he condone it? Are these sorts of low-minded characters really those whom he wishes to see populating his forums?
P.P.S. Even though I myself am being personally attacked here with all sorts of calumny, I expect that my defense will be severely edited. You see the original here: http://forums.truthbeknown.com/viewtopi ... =7841#7841
That thread was closed/locked & a new thread created by mods titled, "Acharya S: Discuss her theories politely here." http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=234405&page=1
which quickly turned into more of the same diatribe.
Anyway, they viciously smear her & then attack her more when she gets upset about it like any normal living, breathing person would do. They owe her an apology.
In this thread I detail more history with Malachi151/Price "Irrational hate for Acharya" http://forums.truthbeknown.com/viewtopi ... 1abf01b5cb
* I, myself was banned from the IIDB/ FRDB forum for trying to set the record straight & for putting pressure on those people to stop with the malicious smears & attacks on Acharya. From our view, they act like it's okay to viciously smear Acharya but, if we fight back then, we are attacked once again for that too. It's utterly asinine. They play by no rules, no integrity or character whatsoever but they expect an impossible standard for us that they themselves make no attempt to achieve.
We here at Acharya's forum are all burned out on all of the vicious & malicious smears tossed at Acharya and her work. So yes, the constant stream of smears, libel, defamation and slander has worn down our tolerance and patience, rightfully so. Those of us who've actually read Acharya's works and know for a fact when people are spreading malicious smears, libel etc are tired of being harassed for calling them out on it.
"A lie can travel halfway round the world while the truth is putting on its shoes"
- Mark Twain
We have yet to see an apology from anyone falsely accusing Acharya S of "lying
" or "making it up
" etc. And, she is certainly owed many apologies from theists and atheists alike. We welcome the day when mature discourse can take place with integrity & character concerning the outstanding work of D.M. Murdock aka Acharya S.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi