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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:50 am 
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I wrote that title in all caps, because no matter how many times that fact is repeated, no matter how much evidence is proffered, the mistake, inaccuracy or downright lie is constantly being put forth that Horus was NOT a sun god. This blatant error is made not by professional Egyptologists, of course, but by people who have apparently scanned a couple of encyclopedia articles, which they evidently feel makes them experts on this vast and deep subject.

If you encounter anyone making this BLUNDER - which shows a lack of even the basic knowledge of ancient Egyptian religion - please be sure to point out their mistake to them, although I don't have any great hope that they will correct themselves, as the "anti-ZEITGEISTers" are about as delusional and fundamentalist as typical religious fanatics. You can also be sure that if these "experts" are making THIS basic error, they are also making many others as well, as demonstrated quite thoroughly by my voluminous writings on this subject, which include a nearly 600-page book Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection. This book has been out for a year and a half, and is available for searching at Google Books, so there is no excuse for this abject ignorance. I likewise demonstrate this fact of Horus being a sun god in my book Suns of God, which came out in 2004, so this mistake is doubly inexcusable. (The reader is referred to these two books for citations of the quotes below.)

PROOF THAT HORUS WAS A SUN GOD, FROM PRIMARY SOURCES AND THE WORKS OF HIGHLY CREDENTIALED AUTHORITIES...

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The general lists like the Osiris/Horus list quoted below exists because, for example, we had people in the 19th century like Gerald Massey (who was heavily peer reviewed by the top Egyptologists of his day) trying to explain these parallels to a mostly Christian audience who knew absolutely nothing about the Egyptian religion. Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs weren't translated until after the discovery of the Rosetta Stone. "until the discovery of the Rosetta Stone by Napoleon's troops in 1799 and the subsequent translation of such by Champollion in 1822, no one could read Egyptian hieroglyphs!"

They were trying to explain the pre-Christian parallels in such a way that even Christian authorities would understand. Justin Martyr did something similar around 150ce in his first apology:

"And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you [PAGANS] believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter...."

The parallels do not have to be exact carbon copies and, in fact, it's absurd to expect them to be. These concepts have evolved over time with similarities and differences due to environment, culture and era. The point is that the CONCEPTS existed throughout the Egyptian religion and influenced many religions, including Christianity.

So, what we have today is the same thing that happened to those 19th century scholars connecting the parallels; people like Acharya S and many others getting abused and derogated for trying to explain the Egyptian myths in a format that even Christians could understand. It appears that Christians detest seeing any connections made.

Tat tvam asi explains:

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"PS It should be noted that Massey was trying to explain these parallels to Christian audiences and so he made reference to the parallels in Christianity such as the Virgin Birth motif and the motif of the 12 which were a part of the Egyptian religion long before Christianity was created. It was his way of trying to explain it in his day and age..."

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"... In reality, a number of the mythical motifs regarding Horus and other Egyptian deities startlingly resemble characteristics and events attributed to Jesus Christ, indicating that the gospel story is neither original nor historical. As may have been expected, many of these correspondences are not widely and neatly found in encyclopedia entries and textbooks, so they have often been dismissed without adequate study and with extreme prejudice. In my previous work, The Christ Conspiracy, I presented various aspects of the Horus myth out of the hundreds brought to light by Gerald Massey and others. Some of these comparisons are as follows:

• Horus was born on “December 25th” (winter solstice) in a manger.
• He was of royal descent, and his mother was the “virgin Isis-Mery.”
• Horus’s birth was announced by a star in the East and attended by three “wise men.”
• At age 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized.
• Horus was baptized by “Anup the Baptizer,” who was decapitated.
• The Egyptian god had 12 companions, helpers or disciples.
• Horus performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised Osiris from the dead.
• The god walked on water.
• Horus was “crucified” between two “thieves.”
• He (or Osiris) was buried for three days in a tomb and resurrected.
• Horus/Osiris was also the “Way, the Truth, the Life,” “Messiah,” the “Son of Man,” the “Good Shepherd,” the “Lamb of God,” the “Word made flesh,” the “Word of Truth,” etc.
• Horus’s personal epithet was “Iusa,” the “ever-becoming son” of the Father. He was called “Holy Child,” as well as “the Anointed One,” while Osiris was the KRST.
• Horus battled with the “evil one,” Set/Seth.
• Horus was to reign for one thousand years.

"... Again, one does not find the Horus myth as above outlined in an ancient Egyptian encyclopedia, such that the creators of the Jesus story merely scratched out the Egyptian names and inserted the Christian ones. Those who have been attempting to explain the creation of the Christ myth have been compelled to back-engineer the story in order to analyze its components and concepts. In other words, in explaining the various mythical motifs used in the gospel story, some have recounted the tale utilizing the original god or gods, in a gospel-like manner in order to express those components."

- Christ in Egypt, "Horus, Sun of God" Chapter, page 43-45

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"...Osiris is doubly resurrected as his son Horus, too, and he, too, is eventually raised from the dead by Isis. He is pictured as spanning the dome of heaven, his arms stretched out in a cruciform pattern. As such, he seems to represent the common Platonic astronomical symbol of the sun’s path crossing the earth’s ecliptic. Likewise, the Acts of John remembers that the real cross of Jesus is not some piece of wood, as fools think, but rather the celestial “Cross of Light.” Acharya S. ventures that “the creators of the Christ myth did not simply take an already formed story, scratch out the name Osiris or Horus, and replace it with Jesus” (p. 25). But I am pretty much ready to go the whole way and suggest that Jesus is simply Osiris going under a new name, Jesus,” Savior,” hitherto an epithet, but made into a name on Jewish soil. Are there allied mythemes (details, really) that look borrowed from the cults of Attis, Dionysus, etc.? Sure; remember we are talking about a heavily syncretistic context. Hadrian remarked on how Jewish and Christian leaders in Egypt mixed their worship with that of Sarapis (=Osiris)."

- Christ in Egypt, Reviewed by Dr. Robert Price, a biblical scholar with two Ph.D's

Also see, The "Son" of God is the "Sun" of God

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:34 am 
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Since I see that you also posted the above in the KD8 thread, it's funny that this is yet another error he keeps insisting on. He's writing a book at the moment, and is posting excerpts from it on his site, one of which still says-
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Q) What about the Egyptian sun god, Horus?

First of all, Horus wasn’t a sun god. That was Amun-Ra. Horus was a sky god, as much associated with the moon as he is with the sun. ...


I think sometime this week I'll edit some clips from Professor Glenn Holland's lecture debunking this error and then link it here.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:30 am 
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After that quote KD8 then says:

Kingdavid8/David Anderson wrote:
"...I’ve seen many mythicists bring up the fact that “son” and “sun” are homonyms, but they’re only homonyms in the English language, which wasn’t around in Jesus’ day, obviously."

I can't believe he has the nerve to post that anywhere let alone publish it in a book when he has known for YEARS that that son/sun issue was addressed years ago here. David Anderson knows about it because it was posted on page 5 of the thread that he himself participated in. It merely demonstrates that David Anderson has no problem spreading what he already knows are falsehoods in order to shore up his faith at all costs.

It's appalling to hear that Kingdavid8/David Anderson is publishing a book that he already knows for a fact is full of lies. I was unaware of that so, thanks for the heads-up, GA.

GodAlmighty, If you make a video on this please include the relevant points we've made in that KD8 thread, especially my most recent post pointing out the fact that Kingdavid8/David Anderson is purposely omitting information that debunks his website because we shared it all with him in that thread here where David Anderson himself participated. So, he can't lie his way out of trying to claim he didn't already know because we have proof that he did.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:45 pm 
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Oh, lol, sorry, I didn't mean I was going to do a debunking vid like that, certainly not like the old videos I used to do, I just don't have the time for that. I just meant that I was going to take Holland's lecture on Egyptian religion and snip out the 10 to 12 minute portion in which he speaks of Horus as the sun god.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:26 pm 
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Oh, my bad.

Well, it would be sweet to have such a video exposing KingDavid8 and it wouldn't have to be all that long. Just long enough to get the point across that KD8 is simply another "liar for the Lord" as Joseph Wheless used to say.

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Excellent find, GA. Apparently FTL posted this one earlier, but I didn't catch it.

In the meantime, can you post this book and any others in my Christ Con revision thread for book suggestions?

Thanks!

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Thx. Done & done.


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GodAlmighty wrote:
Oh, lol, sorry, I didn't mean I was going to do a debunking vid like that, certainly not like the old videos I used to do, I just don't have the time for that...

That's too bad. Your videos were some of the most entertaining on youtube. But I'm sure it took a lot of time to put together some of those series.

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I enjoyed them too.

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