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Slam dunk!!!

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The "Jesus Christ" of the New Testament is a fictional composite of characters, real and mythical. A composite of multiple "people" is no one.

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Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah?

Phew! You did a really great job there, GA. Thanks as always.

We can do this all day long, obviously. It's like shooting fish in a barrel or stealing candy from a baby.

We need to stop getting hung up on this word "disciple." It is irrelevant. The original Greek of the New Testament translated as "disciple" is μαθητής or mathētēs. The word simply means "a learner, pupil, disciple." (Strong's G3101) Anyone who is learning something from someone else is a μαθητής. If Horus is teaching his followers anything, they are his μαθητής. Even if those 12 seated in front of him are learning how to act like "hours," they are his "learners." Those 12 souls whom Horus is leading to the heavenly fields are LEARNING how to get there from him. They are his followers, pupils or disciples.

Christians did not originate the word "disciple," nor do they own it. The word μαθητής can be found numerous times in the works of Isocrates, Aristophanes and Plato, all dating to the 5th to 4th centuries before the common era.

This fuss about "disciple" is yet another strawman to distract off the real issue, which is the mythical motif of the godman and the 12 that was apparently, if not quite obviously, co-opted into Christianity. These apologists simply have no leg to stand on, so they must rely on falsehoods and strawmen, etc.

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Why suffer from Egyptoparallelophobia, when you can read Christ in Egypt? Try it - you'll like it:

A double handed behind the back slam dunk.

That's a good point to raise with these apologists.

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The Jesus Mythicist Creed:
The "Jesus Christ" of the New Testament is a fictional composite of characters, real and mythical. A composite of multiple "people" is no one.

The celestial Origins of Religious Belief
ZG Part 1
Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah?

You know, I didn't notice this the first time around, but one of the twelve sections of the Amduat(Hour Twelve, as a matter of fact), which I posted on the last page, you know, one of the MANY examples of the significance of twelve here:



...well, that just so happens to be the same section Chris is showing at 1:00:02-15 in his video while he's trying(and failing) to nullify any significance of the number twelve as he says- "That tomb, the Tutmosis III tomb, is totally filled with different numbers of people in front of Ra-Horakhty. You can essentially say 'that's how you say that he's got disciples, you don't need them saying Horus had this number of disciples, all you need to do is find a number and associate it with him', then you could do that ANY WAY you wanted to with Tutmosis III's tomb, as you can see from the pictures here."
Yes, indeed, we do see there, Chris, we see right there on your screen as you're speaking, at least three groupings of twelve all in the same section, the TWELFTH section of the Amduat itself, incidentally, so technically, we actually see four groupings of twelve there.

So lol@the self-pwnage on his part. Yeah, twelve's no big deal, just look right here in my video where I'm showing at least four close occurrences where it's used.

And BTW, it's not a matter of any of us "finding a number and associating it with him", the Egyptians who designed this Amduat were the ones who did that, several millenia ago.

Apparently these fellows can only read picture books - and not even well.

If we read the accompanying texts, they are ALL about the TWELVE. I discuss all of these facts in my 20-page chapter in Christ in Egypt.


On p. 277 of CIE, I do discuss the 12 "star-goddesses" as well, as part of the 24 hours of the day, which are divided into two:


In his book The Quest for Immortality: Treasures in Ancient Egypt (76), renowned Egyptologist Dr. Erik Hornung says:


There are TWELVE corresponding chapters in the Amduat that describe this journey. Also concerning the Amduat, in History of Ancient Egypt (79) Dr. Hornung remarks:


It is to be expected that sleazy apologists will not actually study the subject before slandering and libeling others, but what is truly disappointing is the supposed supporters who haven't even read the relevant chapter in CIE or followed up on all the literature provided therein. Thankfully there are those like you guys who can appreciate the effort. I've even made it freely available on Google Books, for heaven's sake!

This dead horse needs no more beating, frankly. Anyone who denies this motif is either ignorant or disingenuous.

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Why suffer from Egyptoparallelophobia, when you can read Christ in Egypt? Try it - you'll like it:

Thanks again to STF who produced a video documentation of what really happened here on this thread:

http://vimeo.com/34061067

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The Jesus Mythicist Creed:
The "Jesus Christ" of the New Testament is a fictional composite of characters, real and mythical. A composite of multiple "people" is no one.

The celestial Origins of Religious Belief
ZG Part 1
Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah?

For ease of convenience I'm compiling many of the most relevant threads on the topic of the twelve since there are several across different section of the forum:

The Twelve in the Bible and Ancient Mythology

When did the twelve months 1st appear?

Horus and the 12 Disciples

Horus and the Twelve (12)

The 12 columns in the vestibule of Temple of Horus at Edfu

The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs

Mithra: The Pagan Christ

The Zodiac in Leonardo Da Vinci's Last Supper

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2013 Astrotheology Calendar
The Mythicist Position
Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection
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See Chris White get pwnd:

Zeitgeist history rewritten

History Rewritten? Horus and the Twelve "Disciples"

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2013 Astrotheology Calendar
The Mythicist Position
Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection
Stellar House Publishing at Youtube