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Hey there everyone, I have decided to make this thread to announce that I am going to be returning to looking up the whole thing with Zeitgeist: The Movie with regards to part one of the film The Greatest Story Ever Told. It will be a video series on my channel which will be featured as soon as the false copyright claim is dealt with (which should anytime between the 13th [today] and the 23rd of this month [July]).

This video series will be a purely unbiased examination of the people on the internet who have been self-styled and self-acclaimed Zeitgeist Debunkers (ZGDB). This will engage in several forms of researching, giving people the adequate tools, detailing the steps on how one can find these sources, detailing specific methods on what to do with primary sources in order to reach a conclusion via the methodology, and detailing on how one actually does research and how one can identify pseudo-research. Now then, the idea of this series of mine is not to state that ZGDB's are wrong and to show counter evidence to their claims... but is to merely show the outcome of what happens when you research their claims and sources. I am going to start with the examination of the articles, starting with the earliest ones I can find, and then moving onto the most recent ones. I will then see about examining the more famous ZGDB video's on the internet, this will include three particularly interesting documentaries, two by Elliot Nesch and another by KeithTruth.

I will then end the series by investigating the film itself and coming to a general conclusion about both sides.

The specific that is going to make this special is that any criticism or any mistake will be given directly to the creator while I record it being done. After about two weeks to a month goes by, I will post their response. If they state that they have made some errors and agree on the errors that were made, I will wait about a week or two to see if they have done something about it. If they have not done anything about it then that will be reported. This is to show mainly the intellectual honesty of the makers of the material itself.

By the way, this series is not to show that ZG1.1 is correct, its to show that what happens when you research both sides.

Articles I will be examining:



If there are any others that I have missed let me know. I am also going to only be researching articles, not videos or forum posts (unless those forum posts have gotten so much traffic, thus meriting a good reason to research the claims being made). I will be doing videos after I do the articles so as to make it a bit more interesting and get things in order. Also, I am only going to be dealing with the articles that directly address the film, those that do not directly address the film will be examined at a much later time. Each video will be broken down into specific parts for each article.

Part one will be the immediate research, what you can do then and there to find out as to whether or not the article in question actually has valid points or their sources are being used correctly. Part two will be a simple on reading material, it will be too show simply that combing the internet for two or three hours is not sufficient time spent in order to come to a conclusion about a specific topic and/or claim. This will be basically going over the material read, researching that material on critical portions and showing people how the research is done. Part three will be about the conclusions one can draw and the methods used to draw those conclusions on the article and what it says. Finally part four will be the conclusion of the honesty and integrity of the creators of the article. Whether they respond and do something about it or not should in fact be a conclusion as to whether or not the article can be trusted based on basic intellectual integrity.

This method I would assume would be far more objective in the matter and I have been meaning to this for quite some time but just recently have gotten sick of all the people claiming that Zeitgeist has been debunked as the candor claims for debunkers. If everyone here can give any help on the subject or can offer up any sources to work let me know. I also have four of Murdock's own books and I plan on getting the updated version of the Christ Conspiracy when it is done too.

For those more interested in responses however, I will be posted a full response article to it about my findings, what I have insufficient with the article and see what can be done to improve it. And yes, this will also mean I will be responding to J.P. Holding.

Sounds like a great project VOR. It could turn out to be quite time consuming too. I would suggest keeping an eye out for ways to consolidate the criticisms since many of their debunking claims rely on many of the same apologist sources. In fact, many of them have snow balled by building on each others claims. Just something to consider in order to save precious time.

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Oh don't worry, what I am going to do is basically this: Here is there source and here is what the source sources. If they are misusing the source, I will give people free access to the very same source and then have them investigate it themselves but most importantly point out why they are misusing the source. I will start off the video series actually with an introduction on general rules when doing research, what not to do when doing it, what the tools are to utilize, what places you should look to for legitimate information and what is absolutely not acceptable when doing research.

Glad to see you throw your hat back in the ring as far as this topic goes.

Hey guy's a bit of an update. I decided to check out some books on Israelite polytheism and found an interesting book that might be of interest to anyone interested in the subject called Judahite Burial Practices and Beliefs about the Dead by Elizabeth Bloch-Smith.

http://ebookee.org/Judahite-Burial-Prac ... 93123.html

Here is where you can download it, I got the book from there and it's legit.

Found another interesting one, this is about the local religions and the categorical refinement that has gone on, it would appear that The Vow & the 'Popular Religious Groups' of Ancient Israel: A Philological & Sociological Inquiry establishes the ground work for sociological categories of specific local religions of the Israelites. Here is the link I found the book to download: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XUAN92KW

Bit of an update: I PM'd Keith on another account of mine and presented myself as a Deist looking into this and I asked him for information on the sources he used. About a week went by and nothing happened so I decided to comment on his page about the PM I sent him figuring he just didn't see it. So what happened then is that he removed the comment from his channel and blocked me. Her is what I stated:



So there we have it, even when asking politely on some things and giving some interesting advice on a friendly basis he still blocks me even when I am posing as someone else... interesting and very revealing about his behavior.

LOL, very revealing indeed. He is that afraid to simply have his own claims & sources laid out side by side next to Zeitgeist's and leave it at that.

Speaking of which, do you plan on ever returning to youtube and finishing your video series on comparitive mythology and re-doing your previous series on the New Testament?

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New videos are currently in the works. The old series is over, including the NT, it's all scrapped. I will upload them all to an archive account on Vimeo just for the sake of being there, as they still contain much I still agree with and still think people should know, but I've changed my mind on a few things, and so I can no longer stand by them.

The old series? Are you refering to The Evolution From Osiris to Christ series? I knew you had some issues with The New Testament Was Written in the Second Century series, but you wrote me that you were planing on re-doing it... not that you have to or anything, if you don't want to. But ff don't mind me asking, what were some of the issues? (just curious).

Anyways I'm just glad you're planning a return.

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Let's post new threads for the new series when they are ready GA. Is the NT series going to change from evemerist to mythicist, or what changes are you talking about?

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Hey guy's, I wanted to let you all know that I will be pushing the release of the project back a bit considering that I have some material to go over amongst other such things to review. I will also be purchasing stick for my father's camera as he will be letting me use it, so it will be a bit till everything is posted.

I have decided to include the articles by James Kush about the film considering he gives an interesting view I think is worth address which is the whole "Occult Claim."



Note, this person is a very well known troll of TZM.

I have gone through the task of collaborating with other youtube users such as ChelevSaRa, dudekin and others as I am able to find them. I have already told GodAImighty my plans on making this a sort of a project. Anyone on here who is willing to be able to help with this please send me a pm at this channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheGreatestProject

I will be announcing when the channel will be open and when video's will begin with a new thread.