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Good point, I was thinking about doing that anyways.

Albert may want to double-check his claim that Cyprian was talking about Jesus' birthday as being on March 28th. It could've been talking about his CONCEPTION. The Catholic Encyclopedia said that claim was "falsely ascribed to Cyprian" but, it's not completely clear in claiming the entire "De paschae computus" was. It was a document calculating the date of Passover. Albert could be partly right but, most likely he over-stated his case. I guess everybody else is wrong except Albert so, he needs to contact the Catholic Encyclopedia and straighten them out as well as the citation of the original attributed to Cyprian in about 243 CE below.

From the article "Christmas" by the Catholic Enc.:

"[Ideler (Chron., II, 397, n.) thought they did this believing that the ninth month, in which Christ was born, was the ninth of their own calendar.]"

"With Clement's evidence may be mentioned the "De paschæ computus", written in 243 and falsely ascribed to Cyprian (P.L., IV, 963 sqq.), which places Christ's birth on 28 March, because on that day the material sun was created."

"Clement, however, also tells us that the Basilidians celebrated the Epiphany, and with it, probably, the Nativity, on 15 or 11 Tybi (10 or 6 January)." i.e. Dec 25th.

"The earliest rapprochement of the births of Christ and the sun is in Cyprian":

"O, how wonderfully acted Providence that on that day on which that Sun was born ... Christ should be born."

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm

Rapprochement is "an establishment or reestablishment of harmonious relations" or reconciliation. That doesn't sound like they're claiming the quote is inaccurate or false and they make no mention of that quote not coming from Cyprian. In fact, they claim that it is from Cyprian.

Concerning the quote by Cyprian, in "Transactions of the Connecticut Academy of Arts and Sciences" (15.333), in an article entitled "Notes on Milton's Ode on the Morning of Christ's Nativity," Yale University professor Dr. Albert S. Cook discusses comparisons in antiquity of Christ with the sun, raising the Pseudo-Cyprian passage and remarking:

"...Pseudo-Cyprian, in a treatise composed A.D. 242 or 243, says (ed. Hartel, 8, 266)..."

The original can be found in "S. Thasci Caecili Cypriani Opera omnia," Volume 1, page 266, by "Saint Cyprian (Bishop of Carthage.)"

So, Albert may be confusing the falsely ascribed March 28th claim to Cyprian as well and using that to "debunk" the quote by association. The Catholic Encyclopedia cites the quote in question as coming from Cyprian and makes no mention of it ever coming from any "Pseudo-Cyprian" or being falsely attributed to him. So, Albert needs to demonstrate that the quote didn't come from Cyprian, rather than just attempting to 'poison the well.'

Natalis Invicti

"The well-known solar feast, however, of Natalis Invicti, celebrated on 25 December, has a strong claim on the responsibility for our December date. For the history of the solar cult, its position in the Roman Empire, and syncretism with Mithraism..."

"O, how wonderfully acted Providence that on that day on which that Sun was born ... Christ should be born."

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm

BTW, the Talley book is cited in 'Christ in Egypt' p 89. She also mentions the "De paschae computus" in Suns of God p 231/2.

There's no mention of "De paschæ computus" in the article on Cyprian at the Catholic Encyclopedia.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04583b.htm

So, we have a citation from 243 CE whether it came from Cyprian or not (I've never seen it attributed to anyone else) and the point is still about comparing Jesus' birth to the birth of the sun and there's nothing Albert can do about that. Of course, Acharya's work doesn't stand or fall on this one quote, which somebody certainly wrote in 243, more than a century prior to the 1st official Christmas in 354. And we all know that Christian apologists will do anything to debunk these types of things however they can.

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Well, I was about to create a separate thread but all this crap about Albert/Labarum312 began on page 2 so, most of this thread would need to be moved. Are you sure that's what you want? Everything here about Albert/Labarum312 is in response to GA's videos.

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What I find hilarious is that Albert titles his videos "Why I don't take Zeitgeist supporters seriously," and yet he obviously takes this issue seriously enough to make all these videos in the first place.

Christians never seem to have a good grasp of irony. Like how they like to claim that atheists believe that nothing created everything (which is NOT what atheists believe), while at the same time they believe that nothing created a God which created everything, which really isn't any better.

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You pretty much nailed it in both cases. Albert obviously takes ZG and indeed GodAlmighty seriously enough to endlessly obsess with trying to counter them. And the something from nothing thing is about the biggest straw man fallacy of all time.

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Actually the biggest strawman of all time is the idea that evolution says that we evolved through some primordial ooze...

These are the latest video by Labarum... I included them here mainly because they do pertain to the subject about GA is speaking about and two of them speak about GA directly.

Well... it appears I procrastinated for too long about getting someone to design an original image for the god face in my videos(Johnson1010 of Booktalk.org has been working on a design for me, though it is still unfinished last I heard from him).

Somehow, the Python Office was made aware of my usage of their image in several of my videos. I don't know if this was the real deal or one of those false flagging type of things, either way, apparently Youtube has found it to be just cause for termination.(I had already gotten one strike some months back for trying to upload Religulous when testing out the new no-timelimit privilege)

*sigh*

How does the expression go, 'when it rains, it pours', as I recall? I really don't need this right now. Ya know, I don't believe in a god(other than myself), but it's times like these that I start to wonder if there's a devil.

And it's weird, you'd think my channel was small enough to still fly under the radar, which is what leads me to suspect it was definitely a butthurt troll who either tipped off TPTB or false flagged or something. Perhaps even one of Al's subscribers, as he was one of the few people I recall who ever acknowledged the Monty Python reference.
But in the end, I guess I only have myself to blame for being careless enough to use the image in the first place and then waiting so long to get someone to make a replacement. So now I gotta go back and re-edit and re-upload and rebuild up my subscriber base, on top of everything else I had wanted to do. This really sucks. I'm going to take a break and rethink the direction I want to take with video making and such.

Well sorry to hear about that there GodAImighty... I got a PM from Albert and he was kinda pissed about you getting your account terminated... At anyrate I will try to keep in touch with you some whenever I can.

Well, I'll always be around on here, and you've still got my email, and there's booktalk, stickam, etc. I'm not falling off the face of the earth you know, I'll be back.

But Albert got pissed about that? What the hell? I mean... I guess he wanted a point of reference for his viewers... I don't know. That's weird.

BTW, thinking about that, he may want to go back and re-edit his own videos to cover up that Python image just in case. While I have a slight suspicion that it was one of his own subscribers who might have squeeled on me, he can never be too careful. Not that I support the tripe in his videos, don't get me wrong.

Sounds fishy to me. I seriously doubt that the Python Office would care that much so many years later. Nevertheless, it's still a kick in the pants for you (GA) and all of us really because your videos did quite a service for us and Zeitgeist part 1. All you can do is use this situation as an opportunity - we can't let all those videos just die. They were too damn good.

On a side note, I recommend addressing the videos by labarum312 / Albert's here because it's obviously an utter waste of time, from what I can tell, trying to post comments at his youtube videos. I see VOR is getting frustrated and rightly so, but all that anger and foul language in video 6, for example, reflects poorly upon us as well as ZG1 and even Acharya S.

labarum312 / Albert's videos are abusive at times accusing people like GA, Herc, Acharya etc calling them frauds and liars when they've done no such thing. labarum312 / Albert must create an endless stream of straw man arguments as well as malicious smears in order to make his case. That's abusive and can be reported and flagged. labarum312 / Albert is promoting hatred and abuse towards us due to our views on religion.

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Oh don't you worry about that, all in due time.

All in due time.

Well he was thinking that maybe it was possibly someone from his own subscriber from the way his PM was worded, it would appear he is very much against censorship of others; which is a rarity amongst YT apologists.

My anger and frustration has to do with him lying my position outright. It's not even a strawman, its just him outright lying that I have a huge problem with. I have personal family issues with those close to me lying, so when I catch someone in an outright lie and they keep perpetuating knowingly I tend to get a little rash with my behavior. However I never apologize for my behavior towards those that lie, so don't expect any kind of retraction about it just to let you know.

As for the behavior of myself reflecting poorly on this forum and its representatives, I really could never understand why people would blame an entire organization or a group of people for the personality faults of one person; it just seems all like an attempt to use the sharp shooter fallacy to me.

Yeah, this does go both ways. I haven't seen all or even most of Al's vids, but I have noticed that for these videos in particular it seems like he has broken form a bit, and has started cursing and using insults. I couldn't help but smile when I heard him crack and use the word "bullshit".