Myths of Saturnus and Chronus – and The Saturn Myth- Examples of confused deities and how these are described in encyclopaedia’s and books.
If analysing the myths of the Roman Saturnus, and the Greek Chonus, several interpretative issues shows up. It seems that scholars for a long time have been in great troubles connecting the mythological dots in a logical way. In the following, I´ll analyse and describe some of the most common errors. (My Discussion Remarks with bold AD #
In the most classic and well known version of Greek mythology, Cronus or Kronos; (Ancient Greek: Κρόνος, Krónos) was the leader and the youngest of the first generation of Titans, divine descendants of Gaia, the earth, and Uranus, the sky. AD 1
Cronus was usually depicted with a sickle or scythe, which was also the instrument he used to castrate and depose Uranus, his father. Cronus was also identified in classical antiquity with the Roman deity Saturn.Etymology
H. J. Rose, A Handbook of Greek Mythology (1928, observed that attempts to give Kronos a Greek etymology have failed. AD 2
Recently, Janda (2010) offers a genuinely Indo-European etymology of "the cutter", from the root *(s)ker- "to cut" (Greek κείρω, c.f. English shear), motivated by Cronus' characteristic act of "cutting the sky" (or the genitals of anthropomorphic Uranus). The Indo-Iranian reflex of the root is kar, generally meaning "to make, create" (whence karma), but Janda argues that the original meaning "to cut" in a cosmogonic sense is still preserved in some verses of the Rigveda pertaining to Indra's heroic "cutting", like that of Cronus resulting in creation:
RV 10.104.10 ārdayad vṛtram akṛṇod ulokaṃ "he hit Vrtra fatally, cutting [> creating] a free path" - RV 6.47.4 varṣmāṇaṃ divo akṛṇod "he cut [> created] the loftiness of the sky."
This may point to an older Indo-European mytheme reconstructed as *(s)kert wersmn diwos "by means of a cut he created the loftiness of the sky. In the Song of Ullikummi, Teshub uses the "sickle with which heaven and earth had once been separated" to defeat the monster Ullikumm establishing that the "castration" of the heavens by means of a sickle as part of a creation myth, in origin a cut creating an opening or gap between heaven and earth enabling the beginning of time (Chronos) and human history.
A theory debated in the 19th century, and sometimes still offered somewhat apologetically, holds that Kronos is related to "horned", assuming a Semitic derivation from qrn. Andrew Lang's objection, that Cronus was never represented horned in Hellenic art, was addressed by Robert Brown, arguing that in Semitic usage, as in the Hebrew Bible qeren was a signifier of "power". When Greek writers encountered the Levantine deity El, they rendered his name as Kronos”. AD 3
In ancient Roman religion and myth, Saturn (Latin: Saturnus) was a major god presiding over agriculture and the harvest time. His reign was depicted as a Golden Age of abundance and peace by many Roman authors. In medieval times he was known as the Roman god of agriculture, justice and strength. He held a sickle in his left hand and a bundle of wheat in his right. His mother was Terra and his father was Caelus. AD 4
Saturn's wife was Ops (the Roman equivalent of Rhea) and Saturn was the father of Ceres, Jupiter, Veritas, Pluto, Neptune, and Juno, among others. Saturn is the namesake of both Saturn, the planet, and Saturday (dies Saturni).
He was identified in classical antiquity with the Greek deity Cronus, and the mythologies of the two gods are commonly mixed. In Hesiod's Theogony, a mythological account of the creation of the universe and Zeus' rise to power, Cronus is mentioned as the son of Uranus (the Greek equivalent of Roman Caelus), the heavens, and Gaia (the Greek equivalent of Terra), the earth.
According to Greco-Roman mythology, the first inhabitants of the world were the children of Terra (Mother Earth) and Caelus (Father Sky). These creatures were very large and manlike,
but without human qualities. They were the qualities of Earthquake, Hurricane and Volcano living in a world where there was yet no life. There were only the irresistible forces of nature creating mountains and seas. AD 5
“Gaia, the Earth” is not correct. Hesiod's Theogony (116ff) tells how, after Chaos, arose broad-breasted Gaia, the everlasting foundation of the gods of Olympus. She brought forth Uranus, the starry sky, her equal, to cover her, the hills (Ourea), and the fruitless deep of the Sea, Pontus, "without sweet union of love," out of her own self through parthenogenesis.
- “Gaia, the Earth” cannot of course give birth to the “Uranus, the starry sky”. Gaia is clearly a heavenly Mother Goddess who gives birth to everything in our galaxy. In this sense “she” is the matrix of the physical formation in our galaxy and the interpretative confusion with “Earth” deals with the mytheme of “creating the first firm land/hill/Primeval Mound/Mountain” in the sea of Pontus, the Primeval Waters. (But how can one understand this if not having any idea of the concrete knowledge of the Creation which is connected to the Milky Way Mythology?)
In Greek mythology, the ourea (Greek: Oὔρεα "mountains," plural of Oὔρος) were progeny of Gaia, members of the Protogenoi, who were the first-born elemental gods and goddesses, children of Gaia: And she brought forth long hills, graceful haunts of the goddess Nymphs who dwell amongst the glens of the hills.AD 2:
To give Cronos/Kronos a Greek etymology is of course not easy - unless one knows which celestial object gives the origin of attributes and qualities.
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The cutter; cutting the sky; cutting a free path; he cut the loftiness of the sky. “Cronos uses the sickle with which heaven and earth had once been separated". Cronos uses the sickle “to defeat” the monster, Ullikumm”, the underworld Milky Way creature on the Earth southern hemisphere. Not to “defeat the monster” but to show/tell where this creature resides opposite the northern hemisphere Milky Way Cronos deity. (Ullikummi is a giant stone monster, son of Kumarbi and the sea god's daughter. Kumarbi is known from a number of mythological Hittite texts, sometimes summarized under the term "Kumarbi Cycle". These texts notably include the myth of The Kingship in Heaven)
- When looking at a star atlas with the Milky Way contours, one can easily depict how a male figure on the northern hemisphere holds a sicle/sword in his left hand and the tip of this sicle or sword marks the upper boundary of the half hemisphere of the northern Milky Way contours. Link: http://www.native-science.net/God.Attributes.htmAD 3:
Cronos is related to "horned" issues and attributes, as this image of the northern hemisphere Milky Way contour clearly indicates by a Swedish Rock Art and the Egyptian Seth.
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Saturnus has of course the same qualities and attributes as Cronos – and this deity is also described with the same mythical confusion, regarding “his mother was Terra and his father was Caelus”. It is of course not the Earth and Caelus that gives birth to Saturnus. We are talking of primeval deities in the creation and the Earth is not even created in this stage.
Quotes: “Romans appealed to Terra over earthquakes, and along with the grain goddess Ceres, she was responsible for the productivity of farmland”. - “The two words Terra and Tellus are thought to derive from the formulaic phrase tersa tellus, meaning "dry land". - “According to The Oxford Classical Dictionary, Terra refers to the element earth (one of the four basic elements of earth, air, water, and fire) and Tellus refers to the guardian deity of Earth and by extension the globe itself”.
The last sentence gets it almost right: Terra is connected to all elements and to the creational interaction between these elements. The scholarly confusion stating “Terra as Mother Earth”, takes place when interpreting the earth-element as the Earth instead of earth = soil, as in the astrophysical 00.01 % “molecular dust” contained in the known Universe.
Saturnus´ mother, Terra, represents the galactic Mother Goddess who creates everything in our Milky Way together with Caelus.
“According to Cicero and Hyginus, Caelus was the son of Aether who is one of the Protogenoi, the first-born elementals. He is the personification of the upper sky, space, and heaven, and is the elemental god of the "Bright, Glowing, Upper Air”.
- So, Saturnus is born when the “bright glowing Caelus” gives movement to the 4 elements that first create the Primeval Mound from where the Milky Way Goddess rise/create herself in the centre of our galaxy and further more create the galactic arms that shows the Mother Goddess on the Earth southern hemisphere and the Saturnus figure on the Earth northern hemisphere night sky.AD 5:
The largest mythological images and deities origin from the largest "object" in the sky, namely the Milky Way contours which gives names to Giants; Cyclops and the Norse Jaetter.“The Saturn Myth”
The myth of Saturnus has given origin for this book, written by David Talbott, in where he tries to describe “a time when some planets were positioned much closer to the Earth” – “a catastrophist theme” originally started off by Emanuel Velikovski in his book “Worlds in Collision”.
Because of similar deity names given to genuine and superior deities of creation and to some planets, both authors conclude a wrong idea and hypothesis, even though David Talbott is working excellent in finding relevant comparative symbols and texts, he still gets it all wrong, connecting the Milky Way deities of Saturnus; Venus and Mars to the planets of the same names. This historical confusion leads him of course to the wrong assumptions and hypothesis and it all end up in a strange kind of distorted astrology.
- Unfortunately, this confusion goes on in many cases, hindering a more global and universal interpretation of the myths and their cosmological meaning.
- Never the less, reading his book and other works is very interesting if remembering the fact that we are talking of primeval elementary deities from before the beginning of creation and the first physically emerging on the Primeval Mound and further out in the galactic arms where the 2 first images of creation shows the first physical contours of the Milky Way deities, mythologically and globally described as both animals and humanlike beings on the night sky.
- As an introduction to such a study, I can recommend further reading of:
“Origin of Myths” by David Talbott - http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... f=13&t=245
"Saturn Theory" - http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/documents/ ... theory.pdf
"Ship of Heaven" - http://www.bearfabrique.org/Catastrophi ... ipart.html
- where the Milky Way crescent figures represents the Heavenly Ships.
- JUST REMENBER TO THINK “ELEMENTARY AND THE 2 HEMISPHERE FIRST MILKY WAY CRESCENT DEITIES” EVERYTIME HE MENTION SATURN; VENUS; MARS AND JUPITER.
– THEN ONE GETS THE RIGTH TELLING AND THE RIGTH ARGUMENTS CONNECTED TO THE RIGHT CELESTIAL PHENOMENON AND OBJECT.
- AND THE VERY SAME GOES FOR READING OF THE PRIMARY MYTHS INTERPRETATIONS OTHERWHERE.