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They have, but it's not Trek IMO. Then again, I wasn't an Enterprise fan. It's just not the same. :(

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Can't beat the original, really.

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The original or TNG. :D Gene worked on both of them and that's why they are the best.

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Could somebody please provide a most auspicious and simple explanation of the role or influence Zoroaster had in the creation of the Levant religions?

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"Zarathustra's influence on Judeo-Christianity and all of western civilization is little known but should not be underestimated. His life and words changed the nature of civilization in the west, setting it on a course that departed from the static cultures of the ancient Middle East. Without his impact, Judaism would be unrecognizable, and Christianity would probably have never existed.

Western civilization owes mainly to Zarathustra its fundamental concept of linear time, as opposed to the cyclical and essentially static concept of ancient times. This concept, which was implicit in Zarathustra's doctrines, makes the notion of progress, reform, and improvement possible. Until that time, ancient civilizations, particularly Egyptian, were profoundly conservative, believing that the ideal order had been handed down to them by the gods in some mythical Golden Age. Their task was to adhere to the established traditions as closely as possible. To reform or modify them in any way would have been a deviation from and diminution of the ideal. Zarathustra gave Persian (and through it, Greek) thought a teleological dimension, with a purpose and goal to history. All people, he declared, were participants in a supernatural battle between Good and Evil, the battleground for which was the Earth, and the very body of individual Man as well. This essential dualism was adopted by the Jews, who only after exposure to Zoroastrianism incorporated a demonology and angelology into their religion. Retroactively, what was only a snake in the Genesis tale came to be irrevocably associated with the Devil, and belief in demonic possession came to be a cultural obsession, as amply reflected in the Gospels.

Zarathustra claimed special divine revelation and had attempted to establish the worship of one supreme God (Ahura Mazda) in the 7th century B. C., but after his death, the earlier Aryan polytheism reemerged. Many other features of his theology, however, have endured to the present time, through the religions that eventually superseded it.

The Babylonian captivity of the 6th century B. C. transformed Judaism in a profound way, exposing the Jews to Zoroastrianism, which was virtually the state religion of Babylon at the time. Until then, the Jewish conception of the afterlife was vague. A shadowy existence in Sheol, the underworld, land of the dead (not to be confused with Hell) was all they had to look forward to. Zarathustra, however, had preached the bodily resurrection of the dead, who would face a last judgment (both individual and general) to determine their ultimate fate in the next life: either Paradise or torment. Daniel was the first Jewish prophet to refer to resurrection, judgment, and reward or punishment (12:2 ), and insofar as he was an advisor to King Darius (erroneously referred to as a Mede), he was in a position to know the religion thoroughly.

The new doctrine of resurrection was not universally accepted by the Jews and remained a point of contention for centuries until its ultimate acceptance. The Gospels (Matthew 22:23 ) record that the dispute was still going on during the time of Christ, with the Sadducees denying and the Pharisees affirming it. It may be a mere coincidence, but note the similarity between the names Pharisee and Farsi or Parsee, the Persians from whom the doctrine of resurrection was borrowed. In addition to incorporating the doctrines of resurrection and judgment, exposure to Zoroastrianism substantially altered Jewish Messianism as well. Zarathustra predicted the imminent arrival of a World Savior (Saoshyant), who would be born of a virgin and who would lead humanity in the final battle against Evil. Jewish Messianism grafted these conceptions onto their preexisting expectations of a Davidic king who would redeem the Jewish nation from foreign oppression.

It was at this time, as a response to their captivity, that the era of apocalyptic literature commenced in Judaism, based on Babylonian models and patterned after their symbology. This was to have a strong influence on later Christian thinking. With the key elements of resurrection, judgment, reward or punishment, a Savior, apocalyptism, and ultimate destruction of the forces of Evil, it can be concluded that Jewish and Christian eschatology is Zoroastrian from start to finish.

The similarities don't end with eschatology either. A lot of the tradition and sacramental ritual of Christianity, particularly Catholicism, traces back to Zoroastrian precursors. The Zoroastrian faithful would mark their foreheads with ash before approaching the sacred fire, a gesture that resembles Ash Wednesday tradition. Part of their purification before participating in ritual was the confession of sins, categorized (as Catholics do) as consisting of thought, word, or deed. Zoroastrians also had a Eucharistic ritual, the Haoma ritual, in which the god Haoma, or rather his presence, was sacrificed in a plant. The worshipers would drink the juice in expectation of eventual immortality. Finally, Zoroastrians celebrated All Souls' Day, reflecting, like the Catholics, a belief in intercession by and for the dead. We should also note that the story of the Magi, who were said to have visited the newborn Jesus, resembles an earlier story of Magi who looked for a star foretelling the birth of a Savior, in this case Mithras. Magi were not kings but Zoroastrian astrologers, and the birthday of Mithras on December 25th was deliberately appropriated by the church to be that of their Christ, whose actual date of birth is unknown and undocumented.

Christianity may also have borrowed the story of the temptation in the desert, since an earlier legend placed Zarathustra himself in that situation. The principal demon (Ahriman) promised Zarathustra earthly power if he would forsake the worship of the supreme God. Ahriman, like Satan when tempting Jesus, failed.

A final interesting parallel is the three days that Jesus spent in the grave. This concept may have been derived from a Zoroastrian belief that the soul remains in the body for three days before departing. Three days would have established death yet left his soul in a position to reanimate his body. As a Messiah, Jesus functioned purely along Zoroastrian lines. While purportedly of the Davidic line, he offered only redemption from sin, rather than national salvation for the Jews. He was a world savior rather than a Jewish Messiah. Jews did not recognize him as their Messiah, and in a real sense he wasn't. Their Messianic expectations, which preceded any foreign influence, went unfulfilled; in fact, their nation was ultimately destroyed. Neither did Jesus effect a final triumph over Evil. This has been reserved for a second coming in conjunction with the last judgment and the rewards and punishments of either Heaven or Hell.

Although Zoroastrianism is almost extinct today, it lives on in its spiritual descendants. Zarathustra, a prophet beyond any in the Old Testament, still speaks today, unrecognized by his children.

"Let us worship Zarathustra,
Just the way we used ta.
I'm a Zarathustra boosta--
He's good enough for me."
(Joseph Campbell, with a tongue-in-cheek parody.)

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Tat Tvam Asi wrote:
"Zarathustra's influence on Judeo-Christianity and all of western civilization is little known but should not be underestimated. His life and words changed the nature of civilization in the west, setting it on a course that departed from the static cultures of the ancient Middle East. Without his impact, Judaism would be unrecognizable, and Christianity would probably have never existed.



So we can agree he had a BIG influence?

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One of Zoroaster's 4 Oracles.
http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... d-of-life/

Tat you may start to recognize this UNIVERSAL template.
Center plus 3 rings with spaces between them.
It is the UNIVERSAL MODEL and I can point out this template in any belief that has been around the block at least 3 times...you want the Christian versions...how about the Jewish, the Tibetans or their cousins the Navajo?
Even fits the wooden stonehenge in Goseck Germany 4800 BC and even the NAZI wetdream, the center of their universe found in a castle called Wewelsburg?
Same template found in their temple...
template = temple :roll:

Science has some of the best comparisons to these oracles.
Here are more of the SAME templates.
http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/2008/1 ... sal-model/
http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... -arketype/

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Fits the Digital Sky Survey of the Milky Way too :!:
Just one of many diverse fits...from the macro to the micro.
It is the KEY to understanding ALL.

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It even fits as a MODEL for the Atom :!:
...run and tell Adam that I have found where Lilith is hiding...

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Inanna Gate of the Underworld Clay Plaque

I have scored a BIG Bullseye** here Tat, and that will soon become very very clear.

**next clue...what is the name of the ROYAL STAR found in the the bull's eye?

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Questioning of Prophet's existence stirs outcry

Muslim academic says research leads him to believe Muhammad is a mythical figure

Muhammad Sven Kalisch, 42, the chair of Islamic Studies at the University of Muenster and whose duties include training teachers for the rising number of Muslim students in German high schools, has created a furor by stating that in all probability Muhammad was a mythical creation.

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Raphael, could you please translate or explain namaste? I've always wanted to know what the word meant.

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Mriana wrote:
Raphael, could you please translate or explain namaste? I've always wanted to know what the word meant.


sorry can't tell you, not here for chit chat... :wink:
far too busy reconciling science with religion...maybe you could google it?

Mriana you have the libraries of Alexandria and Constantinople at your fingertips...you might want to utilize your library card before they burn it all down again.
AND they will.
It is the only way to slay truth and keep the people behaving like sheeple.

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More important.
Am I a black knight or a white one?

Guess I was hoping somebody would want to discuss something of which I wrote...but no...
it is namaste they inquire about. :?
oy vey ... is it really beyond understanding?

namaste

Raphael

p.s. I believe Deepak has a nice woolly interpretation of namaste


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http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_sage1.htm

Compare the above 'SEED of LIFE' with Zoroaster's Oracle.
Please.

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COUNT the hexagons...count the bubbles in the seed.
Please.
Ewe wanna stop being sheeple?
IT is not a coincidence I choose that particular oracle.
It is called the GREAT MIRROR.
That is what a 'tribulation' is ALL about...
Take a real good look.

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Mriana wrote:
Raphael, could you please translate or explain namaste? I've always wanted to know what the word meant.


Namah Te in Sans means salutations to you simplicitor. If you dig a little deeper into the roots, the term namah itself indicates 'not mine alone' referring to the indesctrutible energy in oneself. So Namste (the addition of the 's' sound in the middle is common to all Indian languages in case of union of two words where the first one of them has an aspiration at the end) means the energy inside me recognizes the energy inside you as one and the same.

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Sounds nice. Thanks Balu. :)

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Sounds nice. Thanks Balu. :)


Or you can say 'I recognize that what is not mine alone is available to you too' :)

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Ekavarnam yatha dugdham binnavarnasu dhenushu | tataiva dharmavaichitryam tatvam ekam param smritam ||
Just as milk is of only one colour though obtained from cows of different colours so also the peculiarities of different religious thoughts lead to the same one ultimate truth - Mahabharatha


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Works for me. :)

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Mriana wrote:
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Sounds nice. Thanks Balu. :)


I am glad someone else stepped up to the namaste plate.
balu did a better job than me batting left.
That is one of the best definitions I have read balu.
Many people as you know balu would say the spirit in me...

AND how mriana summarized your offering is very similar to how I had summarized my definition too.
"the energy inside me recognizes the energy inside you"

But now I will need to add "as one and the same". to my def'n. :wink:

Balu you seem to have a knowledge of Sanskrit could you please tell me what you know about KA and KArna and the mystery schools of KArnataKA.

KA is a SOUND, that is quite the hangover leftover from the ORAL traditions. NOT to be ignored because it is a SOUND that transcends Space and Time.

Persia / Zoroaster was perched between EAST and WEST, in the middle or MESO.
Torah, Bible, Koran are all descendants of the MESO or middle cultures we are told...that arose in MESOpotamia.

But is that entirely true?

So please share the caca about KA.

namaste

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