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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:15 am 
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How many has God killed?

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Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?

Well, it wouldn't be easy. But it is possible to compare the amount of cruelty and violence in the two books.Here is a summary of the highlighted verses in the SAB and SAQ.

Number of Cruel or Violent Passages

Bible 857
Quran 494

So the Bible has more cruel or violent passages as the Quran. But the Bible is a much bigger book. How do they compare when size is taken into account?

Violence and Cruelty Total verses Percent

Bible 857 - 31173 - 2.75
Quran 494 - 6236 - 7.92

When expressed as a percentage of cruel or violent verses (at least as marked in the SAB/Q), the Quran has nearly three times that of the Bible. (7.92% vs. 2.75%)* Of course this analysis does not consider the extent of the cruelty in the marked passages. And that is an important consideration. Is Numbers 31:14-18, for example, more cruel than Quran 5:34? That is something that each person must decide.

A good argument could be made that either book is the most violent and cruel book ever written. The award would go to one or the other, for neither has any close competitors. It is frightening to think that more than half of the world's population believes in one or the other."

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com ... quran.html

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/a ... 011599.php

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"Over the last 1400 years, 270 million non-believers were murdered by Muslim jihadists. Islam destroyed the Christian Middle East and Christian North Africa. It is estimated that upwards of 60 million Christians were slaughtered during this conquest. Also, half the Hindu civilization was annihilated and 80 million Hindus murdered. Islamic jihad also destroyed over 10 million Buddhists. In other words, Islam is a killing machine."

http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html

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"Bill Warner of the Center for the Study of Political Islam says "Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died over the last 1400 years for the glory of political Islam."
http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/2 ... -list.html


"The Myth of Moderate Islam" By Vincenzo Oliveti

Christians killed 250 million

Victims of the Christian Faith

Have 250 million been killed in the name of Christianity?

Pagan Destruction Chronology (314-870 C.E)

Comparing Abrahamic 'End Times' Prophecies

"Gimme that ol' time religion..." VIDEO


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:44 pm 
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A good argument could be made that either book is the most violent and cruel book ever written. The award would go to one or the other, for neither has any close competitors. It is frightening to think that more than half of the world's population believes in one or the other."


Both Books are in large part accounts of Lineages and as such both are also types of History. Any Books of this type which didn't address themes such as war, murder, genocide and rape would simply be unrealistic and no longer believable reflections of the Human Experience (which on occasion has been less than entirely perfect, so they tell me...).

Further how can anyone - even God Himself - convince a group of desert nomad warriors such as the Arabs (or the Ancient Hebrews, for that matter) to worship God unless He is characterized as a Shade On The Harsh Side.... You can try as many peaceful smiling meditating deities holding lotus blossoms as you want... but desert nomads aren't sissies and will happily trample any number of lotus blossoms into the ground along with any number of new age manuals, guides to emotional healing or manuals for getting in touch with your feelings.... but a Vengeful God smiting His enemies.... now you've got their attention!

This is called upaya in Sanskrit - "skilful means" - the ability of the gods/Buddhas to find exactly the type of teaching to suit every temperament, however aggressive or low. For example, when the Tibetans converted the Mongols to Buddhism, they didn't use peaceful Buddhist deities to do the job - they selected the toughest, most aggressive-looking deities possible (decorated with necklaces of heads and skulls, trampling on slain sinners, etc.) - Khubilai Khan was convinced and the conversion of the Mongols began (much to Central Asia's relief). And some of those Buddhist texts are as hostile as they come - and are much more than merely "close competitors" of the Bible and Koran in the violence stakes.

By the way (just to bring Hinduism into it), the action of the Bhagavad-Gita takes place on a battlefield with everyone preparing for war, and Krishna explaining why war is sometimes regrettably necessary... when people just don't listen, for example... I mean, Goldman Sachs and JPM aren't going to give in and roll over just 'cos we ask them nicely, are they?

Oh and the Talmud isn't included, surely right up there in the "hate-literature" stakes and still blighting us to this day with its vicious tribalism. And what of its murderous offshoots Marxism and Communism? That's tens of millions murdered in the name of No God At All.

And How Many Has God Killed? Answer: every mortal creature that He ever created.


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"the Talmud isn't included"

The very first link discusses the Torah/Pentateuch.

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com ... -list.html

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com ... illed.html

* The Torah/Pentateuch is the first five books of Old Testament by Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. The Talmud is commentary, interpretation and traditions of the Torah while the entire OT is called the "Tenach."

There are quotes from the Talmud here:

Quotes from Judaism
http://truthbeknown.com/judaismquotes.htm

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:58 am 
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hapex, you have contributed a very scholarly, reasoned, and thoughtful post. The green glass shards found in the Sahara are by some to remnants of a nuclear explosion due to the Indian conflicts that you mentioned.

As far as the question raised by the title of this thread, how many has God killed? None. Mankind has done and continues to do the killing.


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Here is an extract from 'Forgery in Christianity' by Joseph Wheless,page 436/7:-

The fanatical Hebrew religion and its derivative Christianity are the only religions ever known on earth based on and maintained by systematic persecution and murder.God-given laws of murder for disbelief were decreed at Sinai.A holy monopoly of priests was founded,and the the use ordained: 'They shall keep their priesthood.and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death.'(Numbers 3,10.)Murder was God-decreed:The man that will do presumptuously,and will not hearken unto the priest........even that man shall die.'(Deut.17,12.)Again the Jealous God decrees:'He that sacrificeth to any other god...(thus admitting the other gods)...save unto Yahweh alone,he shall be utterly destroyed.'(Exo.22,20;Deut.17,2-5.)The ne plus ultra of inspired atrocity of Divine legislation is infamy by priests and attributed to their mythic God:'If thy brother,the son of thy mother,or thy daughter,or the wife of thy bosom,or thy friend,which is as thine own soul,entice thee secretly,saying,Let us go serve other (more civilised) gods,Thou shalt not consent unto him;neither shalt thy eye pity him,neither shalt thou spare,neither shalt thou conceal him:But thou shalt surely kill him;thine own hand shall be the first upon him to put him to death,and afterwards the hand of all the people.And thou shalt stone him with stones,that he shall die.'(Deut.13,2-7.)Old Elijah murdered by his Gods help two companies of soldiers and their captains by calling down fire from heaven and 450 priests of Baal and 400 priests of the phallic Asherah,to prove by these 850 murders 'if I be a man of the gods.''2 Kings 1,12.)His old side partner Elisha stood by and watched God-sent bears which he had invoked tear and eat 40 small children who ill-mannerdly thumbed their noses at his old bald pate;and throughout the blessed Old Testament of God some hundredss of thousands of people were murdered by God outright and by his holy priestly agents,simply for difference of opinion or of conduct with respect.....or disrespect--to the holy Hebrew God and religion.Only,fortunately,probably little of it is true.


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I think it's fair to add the unknown number of people God killed in the great Noah flood story. Did God not directly kill them him self?

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