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 Post subject: Does Jesus = Lucifer?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:55 am 
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Maybe, but I think the guy confuses the devil, Satan and Lucifer. Last I looked they were three different entities, but he does have an interesting theory with Baphomet. I don't buy the whole package though. Unless, JC is not only the sun but also the Islamic star. That would fit very well too.

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 Post subject: Jesus and Lucifer
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Jesus and Lucifer

Well, it's easy to confuse the devil, Satan and Lucifer, as they are considered in Christian tradition to be one and the same.

"Lucifer" is the "fallen angel" traditionally held to be the "morning star," as at Isaiah 14:12:

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

The word here in the original Hebrew is הילל heylel - which means "light-bearer" as well as (per Strong's H1966):

"1) shining one, morning star, Lucifer

"a) of the king of Babylon and Satan (fig.)"

The "morning star" is generally depicted as the planet Venus. However, it could also be the sun, which, unlike Venus, truly is a star and certainly represents morning as it rises.

The Greek of the Septuagint renders this term as ὁ ἑωσφόρος or "Eosphoros," a word that breaks down to "eos" or "dawn" and "phoros" or "bearer," from the verb "phoreo" or "phero." The translation by the Oxford Classical Greek Dictionary is "morning star." There is a Greek god called "Eosphoros/Eosphorus," as well as a dawn goddess called "Eos."

The reason Jesus is associated or identified with Lucifer/morning star/Venus is because of Revelation 22:16, which says:

"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star."

The Greek here is ὁ ἀστὴρ ὁ λαμπρὸς καὶ ὀρθρινός - lit. "the star bright and morningish," i.e., the bright and morning star. Although the concept may be the same, we can see that the original Greek is not.

It is possible that this latter scripture describing "the bright and morning star" is referring to the sun as well, which would make a great deal of sense in consideration of "Jesus as the Sun throughout History." :wink:

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My older son and I touched on some of those things in our discussion, but not as in depth as you. We aren't quite familiar with the Greek.

Of course on another board, someone didn't comprehend the three are at least two if not three different entities. My son and I disagreed about Satan and the devil being two different people. I'm thinking they are two, which makes three different entities.

So, without rambling more, what you are saying, Acharya, does make sense. It would be horrible to think that people are worshiping a demonic deity though. I say that while thinking about Islam at the same time though, which is horrible.

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