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Public Funding of Religion: Faith-Based Initiative
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"The so-called “faith-based” initiative is a euphemism for taxpayer-supported religion. The initiative funnels taxpayer dollars to religious social service providers without adequate safeguards to prevent proselytism. In addition, these groups seek to discriminate in hiring based on religion even though their programs are publicly funded. "

http://www.au.org/issues/faith-based-initiatives/

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"It is unconstitutional to send taxpayer dollars to houses of worship.

It is unconstitutional to allow religious organizations that receive federal funds to hire and fire employees because of their religion.

It is unconstitutional to allow religious institutions that receive federal money to proselytize to recipients of their government-sponsored social services."

http://www.secular.org/issues/faith_based

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Public Funding of Religion: Can government money and resources be used to support religious institutions?

"When it comes to governmental aid to religious institutions, the law is complicated. We therefore explain only three general rules. If, after reading them, you still have questions about whether a particular instance of governmental aid to religious institutions is lawful, please do not hesitate to contact us. The three general rules are:

* The government (federal, state, and local) may not give aid in the form of money to institutions that are "pervasively sectarian." An institution is pervasively sectarian if religion is interwoven in all aspects of the institution's operations, such that secular activities cannot be separated from religious ones.

* The government may not give aid of any kind — money, supplies, equipment, personnel, etc. — to any institution (whether or not pervasively sectarian) if the aid will support religious activities, such as religious worship or instruction. For example, the government may not give money or equipment for the construction of a religious chapel, nor may it provide school supplies to be used in religious classes. There is an exception to this rule, however, for aid programs involving "true private choice," in which the aid is given to a broad class of citizens who, in turn, are free to direct it to any one of a wide array of secular and religious institutions. School-voucher programs fall into this category, and they are discussed under FAQ: School Vouchers.

* Whenever the government gives any kind of aid to a religious institution, it must have in place a system of safeguards and monitoring to ensure that the aid is not used for religious activities. But the law is not entirely clear on what kind of safeguards and monitoring are adequate, and what a court will find to be adequate will also depend on the type of aid at issue and other facts specific to the particular case.

If you think that you may have encountered unconstitutional governmental aid to a religious institution, please contact us. Please provide as much of the following information as possible:

1. What kind of aid is being provided and in what amount?

2. What governmental entity provides the aid, and what institution receives it?

3. Is the aid also made available to secular institutions?

4. What are the terms of the program or grant through which the aid is being provided?

5. How is the receiving institution using the aid?

6. Has the institution received government aid in the past?

http://www.au.org/issues/faqs.html?issu ... ey-be-used

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The 'Faith-Based' Initiative

Churches, Social Services And Your Tax Dollars

Response To The Faith-Based Initiative:

“I think there has to be a strong wall, a solid wall between church and state. I don’t want to see religious groups out trying to convert or proselytize with federal dollars.”
– U.S. Rep. John Lewis of Georgia

“Sending billions of tax dollars each year directly to churches is unconstitutional under the First Amendment. It will lead to government regulation of our churches, which is exactly why our Founding Fathers rejected the idea of using tax dollars to fund our churches when they wrote the Bill of Rights.”
– U.S. Rep. Chet Edwards of Texas

“I don’t think most people expect that you can apply for a job paid for by the federal government and be told, ‘Oh, no, we don’t hire people of your religion.’”
– U.S. Rep. Bobby Scott of Virginia

“The idea that faith-based groups should have special entree to government funding just makes me twitch. It makes me twitch when groups funded with public funds will only hire their own members, or use the funds to advance sectarian views.”
– The Most Rev. Dr. Katharine Jefferts Schori, Presiding Bishop of The Episcopal Church

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Americans United Praises Federal Court Decision Striking Down National Day Of Prayer
Congress Has No Business Telling Americans When Or How To Pray, Says AU’s Lynn

April 15, 2010

Americans United for Separation of Church and State today praised a federal district court for striking down the congressionally mandated National Day of Prayer.

U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb of the Western District of Wisconsin ruled that the federal law violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

Crabb held that the sole purpose of the federal law “is to encourage all citizens to engage in prayer, an inherently religious exercise that serves no secular function in this context. In this instance, the government has taken sides on a matter that must be left to individual conscience.”

The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, Americans United executive director, said, “This decision is a tremendous victory for religious liberty. Congress has no business telling Americans when or how to pray.

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The Year of Our Lord: Christian Phrase Still Used on State Documents

"A few days ago, I got curious about the wording of those proclamations issued by several state governors announcing Confederate History Month. (Mostly, I wondered why a patriotic current citizen of the United States of America would want to celebrate what were unarguably the deadliest traitors in our nation's history.)

As I found examples of the proclamations online, I was struck by some of what I'd consider the "boilerplate," the way the date of issuance is described. Here's how the governor of Georgia did it:

"In witness thereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the Executive Department to be affixed this 1st day of December in the year of our Lord two thousand nine."

I found the same wording, basically, for Mississippi. What struck me? Whose Lord, exactly, are they referring to? In 2010, there's a 100 percent chance that there is no state where every citizen would answer "Jesus Christ."

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/04/25 ... ate-docum/

The fact is that our present Gregorian calendar is set-up to date from what was considered the year of the birth of Jesus Christ. Every time an individual writes out a check or signs a legal document he or she is acknowledging the amount of time that has passed since the supposed birth of the Christian Savior.

Does this respect the rights of those that are not of the Christian faith?

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Were the American Founding Fathers Christian?

Here's a good article that provides quotes from prominent Americans advocating a secular state, etc.

The Question of Religion and the Founding Fathers

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"The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretence, infringed."

Original wording of the First Amendment as penned by James Madison...

Article VI

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

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Little-Known U.S. Document Signed by President Adams Proclaims America's Government Is Secular

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The Constitution reflects our founders views of a secular government, protecting the freedom of any belief or unbelief. The historian, Robert Middlekauff, observed, "the idea that the Constitution expressed a moral view seems absurd. There were no genuine evangelicals in the Convention, and there were no heated declarations of Christian piety."

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Eviscerating the Establishment Clause

"In a decision earlier this week in Arizona Christian School Tuition Organization v. Winn, the five conservative Justices on the Supreme Court (Roberts, Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas and Alito) carved a large hole out of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. Although the issue in the case was subtle, the consequences are not.

The First Amendment prohibits government to make any law "respecting an establishment of religion." A central concern of the Establishment Clause, in the words of James Madison, was to forbid government "to force a citizen to contribute" even "three pence of his property for the support of" religion. As the Supreme Court recognized more than forty years ago, as a general proposition the Establishment Clause prohibits government from using its "taxing and spending power... to favor one religion over another or to support religion in general." Thus, the Establishment Clause forbids government to fund churches to enable them to spread their religious beliefs or to award special tax credits to individuals to reimburse them for their contributions to religious organizations.

There is a complication, however. Even though such government programs violate the Establishment Clause, it is not clear whether anyone can legally challenge them. To bring a lawsuit contesting a law's constitutionality, a plaintiff must have "standing" to sue. To have standing, a plaintiff must have suffered a distinct "injury in fact" as a result of the government action he wants to challenge. Standing is necessary because we want the parties to have a meaningful stake in the outcome of litigation. Otherwise, they might not adequately represent their position, which could result in a waste of judicial resources or, even worse, erroneous decisions.

Usually, this is not a problem. Most constitutional violations create a distinct "injury in fact" to particular individuals. For example, when an African-American child is excluded from a public school because of her race, when an individual is subjected to an unconstitutional search, when a person is arrested for her speech, or when a person is denied the right to vote, there is no question of standing. In such situations, it is easy to see that a particular individual has been harmed.

The Establishment Clause, however, poses a unique dilemma. Many Establishment Clause violations do not inflict a distinct "injury in fact" on any particular individual. Consider, for example, the illustrations I offered above. When government unconstitutionally funds religious organizations or grants tax credits to reimburse donors to such organizations, it is not clear exactly who is harmed -- other than taxpayers. But because the harm to any individual taxpayer is highly attenuated, traditional standing doctrine ordinarily would deny individual taxpayers standing to sue. This is a problem in the Establishment Clause context, because no one else has standing. The ironic result would be that no one would have standing to challenge the constitutionality of an unconstitutional government policy. Needless to say, this is untenable.

To solve this problem, the Supreme Court held in Flast v. Cohen in 1968 that taxpayers do have standing to challenge taxing and spending policies that violate the Establishment Clause. Until recently, federal courts at every level, including the Supreme Court, have consistently and broadly applied Flast to enable taxpayers to enforce the Establishment Clause.

In 2007, however, in Hein v. Freedom from Religion Foundation, the five conservative Justices took aim at Flast. In an opinion by Justice Samuel Alito, they held that taxpayers lacked standing to challenge the constitutionality of the Bush administration's program of faith-based initiatives. As Justice David Souter rightly observed in dissent, the conservatives' argument that Flast was distinguishable because it involved a challenge to a legislative rather than an executive branch program had absolutely no basis "in either logic or precedent."

Two days ago, the same five-Justice majority struck again. In Arizona Christian School Tuition Organization v. Winn, the Court considered a taxpayer challenge under the Establishment Clause to a state program that had provided $350 million in state tax credits to reimburse individuals who had made contributions to organizations that predominantly support Christian schools. In an opinion by Justice Anthony Kennedy, the conservatives held that taxpayers had no standing to challenge this program because it involved tax credits rather than government expenditures. In other words, if the government had given the funds directly to the organizations, the taxpayers would have standing, but because the government instead gave the funds to individuals to reimburse them for giving money to the organizations, the taxpayers did not have standing.

As Justice Elena Kagan explained in a powerful dissenting opinion, joined by Justice Breyer, Ginsburg and Sotomayor, this distinction "has as little basis in principle as it has in our precedent." Indeed, the conservatives' new approach "enables the government to end-run Flast's guarantee of access to the Judiciary." As Kagan observed, under the conservatives' analysis, a state that wants "to subsidize the ownership of crucifixes" can now simply grant a tax credit to individuals who buy crucifixes. That program would effectively be insulated from constitutional challenge, not because it is constitutional, but because no one would be permitted to raise the question..

With their decisions in Hein and Arizona Christian School Tuition Organization, the five conservatives on the Supreme Court have thus enabled government to violate the Establishment Clause at will, by denying courts the authority to declare even unconstitutional programs unconstitutional. In so doing, they have, in Justice Kagan's words, eviscerated "our Constitution's guarantee of religious neutrality."

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PBS Documentary and DVD: The Lord Is Not On Trial Here Today

"THE REAL STORY OF HOW SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS BECAME PART OF AMERICAN LAW – AND THE COURAGEOUS WOMAN WHO MADE IT HAPPEN"

New PBS Doc: An Atheist Mom Goes to the Supreme Court - and Wins

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PBS: Timeline: Faith in America

How religious ideas and spiritual experiences have shaped America's public life over the last 400 years

"Vashti McCollum, a self-described humanist from Champaign, Ill., challenges the practice of allowing students in public schools to attend voluntary religious instruction during school hours, on school property. When her son and other students chose not to attend the classes, they are left to study alone in an empty room. McCollum sues the local school board; her family is subjected to harassment and hate mail; the family cat is lynched. The case reaches the Supreme Court, which rules 8-1 in favor of McCollum, saying the practice of holding religious classes on tax-supported property violates the Establishment Clause."

Vashti McCollum

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The Lord Is Not On Trial Here Today - 2 minute trailer


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Today the GOP passed a resolution to reaffirm the motto: In God We Trust

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In God We Trust. In Congress, Not So Much.

"The US House of Representatives will work only 109 days next year, so you'd think members might want to cram as much work as they into what's left of 2011 to deal with many critical national issues, like addressing massive unemployment. Instead, Republican lawmakers are thinking more about "Job's Creator." Today, House members will vote on a non-binding resolution reaffirming "In God We Trust" as the national motto...."

"In March, Democrats on the Judiciary committee wrote in a committee report:

"Instead of addressing any of these critical issues, and instead of working to help American families keep a roof over their heads and food on their tables, we are debating whether or not to affirm and proliferate a motto that was adopted in 1956 and that is not imperiled in any respect... Without question, the Judiciary Committee has many important and time-sensitive matters within its purview. The majority, however, seems intent on diverting the committee's time, resources and attention to a measure that has no force of law, only reaffirms existing law and further injects the hand of government into the private religious lives of the American people."

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'In God We Trust' Resolution Protested by Secular Coalition

"WASHINGTON, D.C. – The U.S. House Judiciary Committee today approved House Concurrent Resolution 13, which would unnecessarily reaffirm the divisive term “In God We Trust” as the nation’s official motto and encourage its public display in all public buildings, public schools, and government institutions. The resolution will now be sent to the full House for a vote.

The Secular Coalition for America, the leading national lobby for atheists, agnostics, humanists and other secular Americans, protested the committee’s vote today as an encroachment on the separation of church and state, and an unnecessary rebuke to the millions of Americans whose personal beliefs do not entail the use of the word “god.”

“This resolution is wholly inappropriate for a secular nation that claims to provide equality, liberty, and freedom for all, since it sends a message that the religious views of certain Americans stand superior to others,” said SCA executive director Sean Faircloth. “The phrase ‘In God We Trust’ does not apply to the more than 16 percent of Americans who identify themselves as atheist, agnostic, nonreligious, or unaffiliated, and it does not apply to religious Americans who do not have Judeo-Christian beliefs. Branding our secular country with a religious motto only creates division among its citizens and erodes the wall of separation between church and state. Our secular government should neither impose a religious motto on its citizens nor give an official stamp of approval to a particular religious worldview.”

SCA sent a detailed letter to members of the House Judiciary Committee on Feb. 4 explaining its opposition to the resolution. The entire text of SCA’s letter can be read here: http://www.secular.org/InGodWeTrustLetter

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Pennsylvania bible resolution is ‘sinfully’ unconstitutional

"The Freedom From Religion Foundation is protesting an unconstitutional resolution naming 2012 the "Year of the Bible," unanimously passed (193-0) in the Pennsylvania General Assembly this week.

House Resolution 535 arrogantly exhorts citizens to "study and apply the teachings of the holy scriptures.” What a discredit to the legacy of William Penn, one of the earliest champions of freedom of conscience, FFRF charges in a joint letter to Speaker of the House Samuel Smith and House Minority Leader Frank Dermody.

The Pennsylvania Assembly is strictly prohibited by the Pennsylvania Constitution from controlling or interfering with "the limits of conscience," or showing any preference "by law to any religious establishments or modes of worship." "It is no more permissible for members of the Assembly to 'bless' the bible than it would be for them to endorse the koran," wrote FFRF Co-Presidents Dan Barker and Annie Laurie Gaylor.

Pennsylvania legislators have no right to endorse the bible as "the word of God," much less to direct state and national citizens to study and apply it. Most perniciously, the resolution implies our nation was founded on the bible, when in fact our nation is founded on an entirely secular and godless constitution, whose only references to religion are exclusionary, such as there shall be no religious test for public office.

"Our constitution grants sovereignty not to a deity or a 'holy book,' but to 'We, the People.' There is no reference to God, the bible, the Ten Commandments or Jesus in the U.S. Constitution, just as there are no references to 'consent of the governed,' 'civil liberties' or 'democracy' in the bible. Those who have truly studied the bible realize that it is a moral quagmire, a behavioral grab bag, which has been used to justify automatic rule, tyranny, slavery, the degradation of women and gays, child abuse, war, atrocity and mayhem," noted FFRF................"

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Santorum: Separation Of Church And State 'Makes Me Want To Throw Up'

"Rick Santorum on Sunday took on separation of church and state.

"I don't believe in an America where the separation of church and state are absolute," he told 'This Week' host George Stephanopoulos. "The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country...to say that people of faith have no role in the public square? You bet that makes me want to throw up."

The GOP candidate was responding to comments he made last October. He had said that he "almost threw up" after reading JFK's 1960 speech in which he declared his commitment to the separation of church and state.

Santorum also on Sunday told Meet The Press host David Gregory that separation of church and state was "not the founders' vision."

The GOP candidate has been doubling down on religious rhetoric in an effort to court evangelical voters ahead of Super Tuesday. Last week, he questioned Obama's spiritual beliefs.

"[Obama believes in] some phony ideal, some phony theology ... not a theology based on the Bible, a different theology," he said. "

Rick Santorum: JFK Hater Doesn't Believe in Separation of Church & State


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Most and Least Religious States in America

"Mississippi is the most religious U.S. state, and is one of eight states where Gallup classifies at least half of the residents as "very religious." At the other end of the spectrum, Vermont and New Hampshire are the least religious states, and are two of the five states -- along with Maine, Massachusetts, and Alaska -- where less than 30% of all residents are very religious.

Gallup classifies 40 percent of Americans nationwide as very religious -- based on their statement that religion is an important part of their daily life and that they attend religious services every week or almost every week. Another 32% of Americans are nonreligious, based on their statement that religion is not an important part of their daily life and that they seldom or never attend religious services. The remaining 28 percent of Americans are moderately religious, because they say religion is important but that they do not attend services regularly or because they say religion is not important but still attend services....."

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Church Sues Oregon Family For Bad Review

"Officials at Beaverton Grace Bible Church weren't too thrilled to learn that a former member had written negative online reviews of the service and congregation, so they filed a lawsuit against an Oregon mother and her family.

Julie Anne Smith, her daughter and three other commenters are facing a $500,000 defamation claim after Pastor Charles O'Neal indicated their reviews included harmful descriptors such as "cult," "creepy," and "spiritual abuse," KATU reports.

Smith attended the church a few years ago, but after leaving the congregation, she took to the Internet to express her feelings.

"We do it with restaurants and hotels and whatnot, and I thought, why not do it with this church?" Smith told the station, referring to the online reviews......"

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Texas Professor Terminated After Cross Protest

"A Texas professor who complained about a taxpayer-funded tower featuring four Christian crosses is out of a job.

Sissy Bradford, an adjunct criminology professor at Texas A&M University-San Antonio, complained in November 2011 about the tower, which was being built on private land near campus with city funds.

The tower also featured the university seal and was on track to someday become the property of the public school. Thanks to her protest and a letter from the Americans United Legal Department, the crosses were subsequently removed.

On May 16 of this year, Bradford was informed by the university that her services would longer be needed even though she was already scheduled to teach four classes in the fall. No reason was given, according to the San Antonio Current.

This development came after Bradford had been subjected to months of vicious backlash from cross defenders. Things got so bad that she asked campus police to protect her, but her requests were ignored. (The university declined to comment on the matter)....."

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Just an FYI on one of the quotes used here and elsewhere on FreethoughtNation.com, as well as on thousands of websites around the globe and books dating from over a century ago until today. The following Jefferson quote, which I used in my book Suns of God (372), based on the writings on John Remsburg, is listed on the Monticello website as partially spurious:

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I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.

The Monticello website states that the latter part of the quote is genuine, as part of another quote:

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Difference of opinion is advantageous in religion. The several sects perform the office of a Censor morum over each other. Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned: yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.

Remsburg actually doesn't include the quote as a whole, but cites the first two sentences as found in a letter from Jefferson to a "Dr. Woods." Other sources cite the entire quote as written in 1820 by Jefferson to one "William Short." Remsburg follows with the longer quote, which the Monticello website agrees is genuine:

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The fact that Remsburg includes the bracketed [Christianity] in his recitation of this first quote is a clear indication it did not originate with him. Could not this private correspondence to Dr. Woods have become lost or destroyed? Certainly. Perhaps Woods's own family destroyed it to spare him and Jefferson the "embarrassment."

Both of these quotes as cited by Remsburg are on the Infidels.org website - I wonder if the person who very rudely informed me about the supposed spuriousness of this quote - impugning my character, of course - is also ranting at the men who run that website or if he just saved his special venom for me. I don't suppose he would dare approach those men who run infidels.org in the same rude and disrespectful manner in which he wrote me an email out of the blue to spew at me.

I'm reminded of David Mills again:

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D.M. Murdock/Acharya S, like all authors on controversial subjects, has many critics. But they all share one commonality: They don't know what they're talking about. Murdock understands many languages and has a breadth of knowledge her critics cannot match. This fact irks the uninformed. Having given a fair hearing to some of her online detractors and their "rebuttal" videos, I have detected not only a lack of knowledge on the part of her critics, but also, in some cases, a thinly disguised misogyny.

The sexist derogation never ends, so I must consider it in times like these. Such nasty people are a dime a dozen. Oh, I should add that Mills himself included the quote in his book Atheist Universe. Heinous! Let us rant and rave as if the world is ending!

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IRS Not Enforcing Rules On Separation Of Church And State

Churches and Politics

IRS not enforcing rules on churches and politics 3 years after court orders new procedure

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