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A lot people come onto this forum with opinion that zeitgeist part 1 is true, but parts 2 and 3 are not true.

It's easy to see why people would want to believe that the Government and the Federal Reserved Bank wouldn't do something like that to their own country. It's not a very pleasant implication.

But the implications in zeitgeist part 1 are not very pleasant for a lot of people either. Finding the truth is not a matter of accepting information based on pleasantry's, it's about discovering the actual reality of a given situation no matter what the implications that follow the discovery suggest.

The entire zeitgeist movie is based on using "critical thinking skills", that is, considering common cultural perspectives from a critical point of view.

Part 1 displayed critical thinking skills towards the theistic religious assumptions that are common today.

Part 2 displayed critical thinking towards the popular cultural assumptions of what happened on 911.

Part 3 displayed critical thinking towards the assumption that the International Bankers don't interfere with government politics.

All in all, zeitgeist the movie seems to be an expression of critical thinking skills through and through. I'm not sure why anyone would say that parts 2 and 3 are not true unless they just couldn't handle the implications that stem from the evidence presented in the film. It's not very different from someone saying that part 1 wasn't true because they don't like the fact that the Jesus mythology is an astrotheological allegory. Not liking the implications doesn't do anything to negate them.

My suggestion is that anyone who thinks that they have evidence that shows zeitgeist parts 2 and 3 are wrong with their critical thinking skills come forward and present it to everyone. We have a right to know the truth, and if parts 2 and 3 are not true then someone needs to come forward and prove that for everyone - not just cry about it because it hurts their sensitive little feelings.

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The Jesus Mythicist Creed:
The "Jesus Christ" of the New Testament is a fictional composite of characters, real and mythical. A composite of multiple "people" is no one.

The celestial Origins of Religious Belief
ZG Part 1
Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah?

Even if part 1 on religion isn't 100% totally accurate there's plenty of evidence to support what is mentioned there.

Part 2 is interesting, I think the narrator just provided video footage from different media sources.

Part 3 was really interesting and scary when one thinks about the agendas put in place by the elite. The bit about Rockefeller's etc and the chip implants was frightening even though I've read several other books a decade ago about it.

"Zeitgeist" Movie:
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com

part 1 starts at: 9:45

part 2 starts at: 37:00

part 3 starts at: 1:11:11

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist,_the_Movie)

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2013 Astrotheology Calendar
The Mythicist Position
Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection
Stellar House Publishing at Youtube

I don't know enough about part 3 to comment. I haven't done any research myself.

Part 2 is really garbage, debunked by real science and real scientists time and time again. I really don't need to post proof, as it is readily available to all who seek it. There are a few conspiracy theorists lay people out there using coincidence, early speculation and conjecture as evidence to a conspiracy, while literally hundreds of scientists, mechanical and structural engineers are pointing out time and time again that nearly all of the conspiracy theorists arguments are without any merit whatsoever.

Just do a Google search for "debunking 911 conspiracies". If you believe the conspiracy theorists if the face of overwhelming scientific evidence against, then you do so on faith, and not on evidence. It is akin to buying the intelligent design argument over evolution, based on perceived 'holes' in the evolutionary record.

Please put Dr. Sagan's baloney detection kit to work against the conspiracy claims. You will undoubtedly come to the conclusion that the claims are intellectually bankrupt, and based on the worst kind of hack reasoning.

If there was a 'conspiracy' at all, it is perhaps that there might have been some forewarning of the event that wasn't acted on. Of that, I can not judge or be sure one way or another. But for every other aspect, the science just doesn't hold up for the conspiracy theorists.

I am sure I can't convince you, just as I can't convince the fundamentalists Christian that Jesus isn't going to come floating down out of the clouds during the rapture to shuttle him and his family to heaven. It is really something that you need to convince yourself of. You have the tools to do so.

Here's what wikipedia says:



Geetarmoore, give part 3 a going over when you can...

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2013 Astrotheology Calendar
The Mythicist Position
Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection
Stellar House Publishing at Youtube

That's fair.

I understand your position now.

The conspiracy craze can get just as nutty as religious fundamentalism and other things of that nature. I can agree with that statement and certainly respect your position.

But my gut instinct here is that this whole thing was well planned. There was a need to get over to the middle east so they made it happen. You can't get the country behind an agenda like that without a traumatic experience. A decent number of People have to die in order to get everyone pissed off enough to go war when we're not in a time of war. The cold war was over and they needed a new "bad guy" for the masses to focus on. Does this really seem that unreasonable?

I've read some of the anti-Darwinian arguments and I find them to be unfounded at best. There's no other explanation for how we got here - there's no alternative. Genesis is not a historical account of world history so the creator idea expressed in Genesis is certainly not literal history either.

But I'm not sure that that issue is comparable to the 911 conspiracy's exactly. There is an alternative provided in this case. The alternative is that we were not 'blindly attacked' and caught off guard, rather, the brand new right wing presidency went straight to work doing what it had been planning to do all along - make war and make money through war. Occam's razor - the simplest explanation tends to be the right one. The right wing of government is a 'war oriented political system', you do the math.

I can understand that some people don't like the sound of flowery new age cult type non-sense, but that doesn't mean that we are not the universe itself or that everything is not interconnected as many new age people carry on about. We are the universe, and everything is interconnected, and there's good reason to believe this when you take on the subject of quantum physics. If you let the outward appearance of some of the people who talk about this issue fool you, then you will miss the truth at the bottom of it.

I can understand that some people don't like the idea that Jesus represents the Sun in the age of Pisces, but that doesn't mean that Jesus doesn't represent the Sun during the age of Pisces. He does, and there's good reason to believe that he does when you take on the subject of comparative world mythology. If you let the outward appearance of some of the people who talk about this issue fool you, then you will miss the truth at the bottom of it.

Likewise, I can understand that some people don't like the sound of conspiracy theories, but that doesn't mean that conspiracy's are not taking place. They are taking place in some cases and there's good reason to believe that when you take on the subject of world history. Propaganda tactics run rapid throughout recorded history and it just doesn't make any sense to me to start thinking that all of sudden the propaganda tactics of world governing have just stopped all of a sudden. The Lusitania wasn't an accident, Pearl Harbor wasn't an accident, and 911 doesn't seem to be an accident either. These things benefited the governing factions of the time. If you let the outward appearance of some of the people who talk about this issue fool you, then you will miss the truth at the bottom of it.

I need to look at the big picture. I need to see the large scale overview. It makes more sense that 911 was well planned to me than otherwise. But I will google search 'debunking the 911 conspiracy's' just as I read through anti-evolution material from time to time. It helps me gain a sense to the big picture and firm up my personal opinions. I may change my mind after reading the evidence that you've suggested. But for now, I don't believe that the conspiracy theories are wrong. People have benefited from the events on 911 financially and Occam's razor is Occam's razor.

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The Jesus Mythicist Creed:
The "Jesus Christ" of the New Testament is a fictional composite of characters, real and mythical. A composite of multiple "people" is no one.

The celestial Origins of Religious Belief
ZG Part 1
Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah?

Zeitgeist is like an acid test for knowledge, objectivity and thinking prowess. It takes no prisoners, and finds many lacking.

It also demonstrates again, and again, that the vast majority of human beings couldn't give a good goddamn about the truth, no matter what the costs or implications. Their beliefs are most important to them.

This, and many related ideas have led to some conclusions, recently:

A. Individuated consciousness (souls), enters this dimension with an entrainment of priorities, preconditions, goals, and purposes. Little will alter that entrainment.

B. (A) leads to many consequences, one of which is: truth rarely matters much.

C. (A) & (B) mere aspects of the system, and it is the purposes of the system that takes priority.

The makers of Zeitgeist are calling March 15th 2008 "Z" day worldwide. Enjoy the open letter...

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/zday.htm

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2013 Astrotheology Calendar
The Mythicist Position
Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection
Stellar House Publishing at Youtube

The main point of all of this information giving that the maker's of zeitgeist have put out there is to potentially end world conflict. But people keep trying to negate the information which is aimed at stopping world conflict.

Go figure.

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The Jesus Mythicist Creed:
The "Jesus Christ" of the New Testament is a fictional composite of characters, real and mythical. A composite of multiple "people" is no one.

The celestial Origins of Religious Belief
ZG Part 1
Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah?

Most of part 2 - which is really quite contentious, because blaming the "U.S. gov't" for 9/11 could be construed as not only seditious but highly dangerous, leading to further attacks - consists of news clips showing oddities and discrepancies. For that reason, I believe it is highly valuable, as these news clips need to be seen and archived in this manner.

Some of it includes, of course, Alex Jones, a Christian fundamentalist whose work is interesting but may be flawed. ZG creator Peter Joseph does make the conclusion at the end that 9/11 was an "inside job." The 9/11 Truther's notion of an "inside job" and my notion are somewhat different. I do not see this horrible episode as the work of the "U.S. gov't" but of a multinational cabal that includes Muslim terrorists as the highly appropriate foot soldiers, since they can be programmed to kill and maim at will, no matter the target.

In that regard, 9/11 was an "inside job," because We the People have funded the fanatics worldwide through our addiction to oil.

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Why suffer from Egyptoparallelophobia, when you can read Christ in Egypt? Try it - you'll like it:

The 9/11 anti-truth movement, of "debunkers", as they like to call themselves, is itself debunked here: http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/

Much of part 3 is covered in "Creature from Jekyll Island": http://www.amazon.com/Creature-Jekyll-I ... 612&sr=8-1

the part on the NAU is covered at length here: http://nauresistance.org/

The microchipping part is covered at length here: http://www.wethepeoplewillnotbechipped. ... n/news.php

Then, on the subject of Zeitgeist addendum, part 1 comes from an EXCELLENT book called "The Web of Debt": http://www.webofdebt.com/

And much of part II of Zeitgeist Addendum can be substantiated with articles from http://globalresearch.ca/

Hope this helps.

I'd like to add that a far superior source to Alex Jones is Alan Watt of http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/, who although anti-christian, Alex still has on his show sometimes because he is so knowledgeable.

Here's an interesting site someone forwarded me. I haven't read much of this lengthy article, but I'd already heard many of the details years ago.

Complete 911 Timeline: US Intelligence Links to Islamic Militancy

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Why suffer from Egyptoparallelophobia, when you can read Christ in Egypt? Try it - you'll like it:

i challenge anyone simply to watch the following video and then repeat the official story out loud with a straight face and an untroubled psyche, it's impossible unless you are "asleep"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhyu-fZ2 ... re=related

as for bankers, keiser has it right

http://rt.com/programs/keiser-report/

heres a look at afghanistan that says a lot

http://vimeo.com/9388088

so on and so forth ad-absurdum

history repeats? you betcha.

it's not so much that the truth is hard to find but more that it is very hard to parse and so only someone who loves truth more than comfort stands a hope in hell of taking any of it in.

but it's all about to hit the fan so pretty soon it'll all be far from academic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrq7nNP9mqs



Conquistador of Mexico
The Zulu and the Navaho
The Belgians in the Congo, Short memory

Plantation in Virginia
The Raj in British India
The deadline in South Africa, Short memory

The story of El Salvador
The silence of Hiroshima

Destruction of Cambodia, short memory

Short memory, must have a, Short memory

A smallish man Afghanistan
A watch dog in a nervous land
They're only there to lend a hand, short memory

The friendly five a dusty smile
Wake up in sweat at dead of night
And in the tents new rifles hey, short memory

Short memory, must have a, Short memory

If you read the history books you'll see the same things happen again and again
Repeat repeat short memory they've all got it
When are we going to play it again

got a SHORT MEMORY