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Drew "So Greer is disinformation!!" & "Why do you keep ignoring what I write?"

- Right, an assumption you have even though you've never given the Disclosure Project a good going over for yourself. You rely on falty & inaccurate info from clearly bias people spreading lies. You are spreading here say at best. Rense.com may not be the best source for credibility. Ask them & they will admit to it.

When you actually investigate the Disclosure Project thoroughly FOR YOURSELF then, maybe you will have more credibility. Right now you have none from where I stand. You blasted the D.P. long before you knew anything about it. You still have never viewed the witness DVD - even though you make the claim that it is all a CIA conspiracy.

Why do you refuse to be objective? In all the links you've shared from rense.com here's the one website you haven't really gone to - http://www.disclosureproject.org/

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Looks like Greer's immediate future is now open to new alien communication:

• Thursday, Nov. 2nd - San Diego, California - Cancelled.

• Thursday, Nov. 9th - Palm Springs, California - Cancelled.

• Sunday, Nov. 12th - Phoenix, Arizona - Cancelled.

No one has ANY proof of extraterrestrial aliens at all!

But if you really want to believe in aliens -- maybe you should join the Nazis!!

Nazi flying saucers were not only prevalent but motivated by the belief in extraterrestrial alien communication.

GREER IS PROMOTING THE NAZIS

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=318979

I first heard about the Disclosure Project in early 2001 while listening to Coast to Coast AM. It was heavily promoted there in the days leading up the first big press conference. I have followed it since then. Of course I haven't read or viewed everything that they have produced; they have produced a hell of a lot.

Disinfo has a long history, I believe it can be traced back at least a couple hundred years and goes back much further. The established powers have long used every means at their disposal to attemp to control events by controlling the world view of the masses and this policy only became more amplified with the coming of mass society around the time of the industrial revolution. Even when the predominant media was the newspaper it was consciously used by the elite as a tool of social control. Even before the newer forms of media became available, the science of using them for social control was well developed.

A key characteristic of the newer media (radio/tv) is that they are affective. This means they go around the critical faculties of the average person. Because of this the disinfo agents have a preference for these newer media. They also prefer them because they can reach a much larger mass.

Obviously control of the masses requires much more that producing the occasional video. It requires that the vast majority of media all promote worldviews that mesh compatibly with the "reality" the controllers wish to create. Fortunately for the controllers, they have the means to accomplish this. As a result of their work, almost no one even thinks of the questions that need to be asked; let alone approaches apprehending the truth.

Because it is a well devolped art/science this disinfo has something of a signature set of characteristics. It uses the affective media as much as possible. But it also is built on layers of other previously developed disinfo so that the consumer not only is convinced by sheer weight of evidence but does not need to actually engage the critical faculties to "follow the piper" as it were.

There is more to disifo than I have presented here. The Disclosure Project fits all the criteria therefore I don't spend much time on it anymore.

I imagine there is a lot that might be said on this so I am also posting it to a new topic.

disinfo goes back all the way to the first words spoken to mankind.
"eat and thou shalt surely die"...

the first disinformist of history is god himself.

as for aliens, am i realy the only 1 here who wants to figure out what they are before we assume why there here and what they want etc?

I agree Vertigo6911. Drew makes another false assumption accusing me of believeing in aliens. He goes even further calling me a Nazi. Appearently for discussing the topic openly. I actually remain neutral. I am skeptical yet, rationally so. I am open to evidence & witness testimony from credible witnesses that are more than willing to testify before Congress. I don't think that a broad, sweeping view that this is all a big lie, dis-info is objective. Drew has never read any thing from the Disclosure Project, never viewed any of the videos containing witness testimony from gov't, military & intel of their first hand expereinces at all. Until last week he finally viewed one video but he seems to rely on rense.com for sources to invalidate the D.P. Until Drew studies the D.P. for himself, I don't see him as any credible authority on the topic.

I think it's fair to say that not every UFO report is an alien. That's not even necessary. If ONLY ONE UFO or technology is real then it's significant. I'm really not so concerned with aliens as I am sustainable energy technologies that have the potential to spare us from self-destruction. That's more where I'm coming from & Dr. Greer as well.

http://www.disclosureproject.org/

Drew, that would be considered libel. I don't see anywhere on that page whre "Greer is promoting the Nazis." The Nazis supposedly had their own UFO program, that is true. Putting the two together is a SMEAR, unless you have a statement directly out of Greer's mouth where he says, "I'm supporting the Nazis."

The idea of UFOs was around long before the Nazis and is not exclusive to them. This type of tactic to associate something with evil villains is a very cheap trick. Please refrain from doing so. For instance, that site also likes the Jesus-myth thesis - therefore, does that mean I'm a "white racialist?" Ridiculous.

I can see why FT has been upset by the threads here.

Here are the facts as I know them, from a 15-year study of the subject: The UFO/alien hypothesis has been around for centuries. Dr. Greer did not make it up. I have no solid evidence that he is a "disinfo" agent. He may very well be someone who heard about these individuals - including a friend of mine, Carol Rosin - who had a bunch of information relating to the UFO/alien hypothesis and decided to try to pull them altogether. As their individual credibility, I have no idea, except that I've known Carol for a decade or so.

As far as I am concerned, this is a fascinating subject that should be excitedly discussed, not have it shut down by shrill cries of "Nazis!" and "Disinfo." I would hope that my forum would be more advanced than that.

Thank you.

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Ah well you haven't read "The Stargate Conspiracy" by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince -- the main backer of it is Clairborne Pell, also the backer of the Disclosure Project, along with former CIA director James Wollesey -- the CIA ARE THE NAZIS -- as per the link I gave on this thread.

Rosin is talking fondly of a Nazi War Crimes criminal, Werner Von Braun, who directly supervised concentration camps that killed 20,000 people.

So direct support? Probably not. Indirect promotion of the Nazis.

Yes Greer and his Disclosure Project promotes the nazis -- indirectly.

to be completely accurate:
von brauwn was director of peenemunde, wich was not exactly a concentrationcamp but the place where they made the V2 rockets,
and presumably the saucer crafts.
they did employ slave labour though, and there is no doubt that 'sturmbahnfurer' von brauwn was an ardent nazi.

anyways, there are 2 other phenomenon i can identify:

theres the energy type 'things' in our atmosphere and the giant saucer things we see on nasa tapes that appear to only show up on film.

neither of these things seem to demonstrate anything resembling 'human' intelligence, and i dont think we should try to explain them like that.

i think the disclosure project is indeed a disinfo effort, or at least an attempt to use the ufo phenomenon as an element for psi opps.
the idea that aliens are interested in the little pea shooters we hang in space seems utterly rediculous to me.
especialy since it based on a very narrowminded idea of what the aliens are supposed to be. (wich we realy dont know).

i like McKenna's remark, describing a discussion he had with an alien wile hallucinating:

"it said: well, we disguised ourselves as an alien invasion so as not to alarm anyone with the bizarre nature of what is realy going on.
u see we lack the language in wich to describe these things"

Well I already typed out extensive excerpts from the expert on Werner Von Braun -- and indeed he is implicated in the death of 20,000 people -- concentration camp, slave labor (where 20 died a day) -- semantics!!

Now -- Greer is backed by the former CIA director, a neoNazi, and by Claiborne Pell, a Club of Rome member who works closely with Prince Hans Adams of Lichenstein.

The alien invasion disinformation is promoted by the Vactican-CIA-Nazi international -- aka The Dragon Court. Keep in mind that the current Pope sits on an "interreligious council" with Neil Bush and other NeoNazi terrorist financers.

Prince Hans Adam of Liechtenstein and his Dragon Court details:
www.geocities.com/newworldorder_themovi ... court.html

AND THEY DID DIE. Or that is how the myth goes. The devil's best deceptions are half truths.

Please don't take the impression that I mean something should be ignored because it might be disinfo. I dont' mean that. I am sure that many or most of the witnesses in DP are sincere.

And I also think we need to know a lot more about any form of alien, physical or psychic before we can risk assuming their beneficence.

Drew, the 20th Century (and the 21st, so far) was a century of totalitarian regimes. The Nazi's were merely the fascists that lost. Read Mein Kampf; it sounds scarily like the rightwingers sound today. I hope you can find a copy. I suspect the reason it is vilified so much is that the modern fascists don't want folks to know that they are up to the same old tricks again. Calling the losers names and implying guilt by association to make debate points is beneath you. Furthermore, its (drum roll) DISINFO! LOL!

These guys are just wacko! Greer on Pell:

"A few years ago I was discussing this subject with the former Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Senator Claiborne Pell. He explained to me that he had been in Congress since the 1950s but had never been briefed on this subject. I told him that the nature of these black projects has resulted in most of our leaders being left out of any decision making on this subject, and what a shame this is. I said, "Senator Pell, all that time you were Chairman of Foreign Relations, you were deprived of the opportunity to deal with the ultimate foreign relations challenge…" and I pointed to the stars above our heads. He said, " You know Dr. Greer, I am afraid that you are right…"

Here's an interesting article I stumbled upon today.

"Is there anybody out there? How the men from the ministry hid the hunt for UFOs"

The Ministry of Defence went to extraordinary lengths to cover up its true involvement in investigating UFOs, according to secret documents revealed under the Freedom of Information Act.
The files show that officials attempted to expunge information from documents released to the Public Records Office under the "30-year rule" that would have revealed the extent of the MoD's interest in UFO sightings.

In particular, the ministry wanted to cover up the operation of a secret unit dedicated to UFO investigations within the Defence Intelligence Staff. UFO conspiracy theorists have likened the unit, called DI55, to a sort of "Men in Black" agency for defending the Earth against invasion but the released documents show this is far from the truth. One 1995 memo from DI55 to the MoD's public "UFO desk" said: "I have several books at home that describe our supposed role of 'defender of the Earth against the alien menace' - it is light years from the truth!"

cont- http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story ... 08,00.html

Yeah I just watched the Nick Cook UFO Evidence documentary from Channel 4 -- BBC -- I posted the link on this thread. He does extensive coverage of Dr. Clarke -- the subject of the article you posted. Clarke emphasizes that the U.S. had over 10 military bases in the U.K. for the Cold War and the U.S. were flying UFOs -- only a few top M.O.D. would know what these were.

Nick Redfern's books get into this more -- including a very early sighting of a "black triangle" -- the same type of craft I had a close encounter with.

Nick Cook's documentary is REALLY excellent -- he even shows a demonstration of high voltage electrogravitic propulsion and also evidence for a pulsed generator system that can easily go Mach 5.

These craft, the Aurora, and the Triangle, have been clocked at 1200 mph!!

Nick Cook also shows the Bell experiments of the Nazis in detail -- it's an excellent addition to Joseph Farrell's new "SS Brotherhood of the Bell" book -- also published by Adventures Unlimited (like Acharya S).

vertigo, what's that mckenna's rap? didn't heard it