Mriana wrote:
nick227 wrote:
Mriana wrote:
Originally you denied the Horus/Osiris/Jesus connection and that is exactly what Tom Harpur discusses. He says the Christ story is Osiris/Horus rewritten. Obviously you have not read either Harpur or Spong because you don't have a clue about them.
Hi Mriana,
Can you point me to where I denied this? I don't recall it. I'm familiar with some of the numerology correspondances and the notion that Jesus is Horus/Osiris but I don't know so much about Egyptian stuff really.
Go back and read what you said. You say one thing and then you contradict it quite often.
Help me out here. I can't see where I denied a connection. I say this because I don't recall mentioning Horus.
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That's your interpretation, Mriana. Can you point me to where in the Bible it says that Christ carries on dying and being reborn. You are using your own interpretation to ratify itself.
ROFLMAO! I don't THINK so! Such a thing is taught in many a church. Jesus dies on the cross and in three days he rises again.
But he doesn't do it over and over again. No one here has addressed the basic issue that astrotheology faces - namely that myths created from it inevitably have to be deterministic and periodic.
Christianity is a considerable extension from solar myths which likely preceeded it.
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This also relates back to the sun when it sits on the Southern cross for three days (to the naked eye, it doesn't look like it moves) and then rises again. In essence, Jesus Christ is another dying and rising deity or rather a retelling of Horus, as the Anglican priest Tom Harpur even attests to also.
Why doesn't he die and be reborn at Xmas?
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Both the Virgin Birth and the Crucifixion have quite different meanings in Gnosticism. Neither appears much related to astrotheology. If you look up prima materia for the former, and the Gnostic Fixed Cross for the latter you will see what I mean.
In Gnosticism, we are all Christ crucified. However, there astrotheology even in that. One would have to be blinded by literalism not to see it or comprehend it.
Oh God. Look please just read something, Stephan Hoeller or someone reputable. We are not all Christ crucified. We may all be
fallen, or so the Gnostics would have us believe, but crucifixion is the Gnostic
way out of being fallen.
One of the core symbols are the 3 crosses - Mutable, Fixed, and Cardinal. The Gnostic belief is that all life spends countless aeons going through a zillion deaths and rebirths on the Mutable Cross. This bit relates to pre-Gnostic thought. It
is astrotheology. At some point the repeatedly incarnating soul is deemed worthy through suffering to be placed on the Fixed Cross, the Cross of Crucifixion. The effect of this is that it cannot move. It cannot escape. It must examine the contents of its unconscious mind until it has witnessed all the demons of the psyche. This is related, for example, in Revelation 4 to I think 11. In Revelation 4 the four zodiacal signs relating to the Fixed Cross show up, indicating that John's "initiation" onto the Cross may take place. When all the demons have been enough seen and the soul is thus purged of sin then it is placed on the Cardinal Cross and acquires its deathless solar body - related symbolically in the later chapters of Revelation.
This roughly is the tale of the 3 Gnostic Crosses. It can be seen that the processes of the Mutable Cross, pre-Christian man, are largely deterministic. They relate to astrotheology. The soul is solely under the subconscious influence of the forces often represented by zodiacal signs. It has, essentially, no choice. When it develops sufficient awareness, through a billion incarnations, it acquires the Fixed Cross. This cross and the Cardinal Cross are not deterministic processes. This is the stepping off point from the old astrotheological world of being utterly at the mercy of one's unconscious drives.
This, and plenty of other old Gnostic stories, are the reason why no one from a mystical Christian background is going to take much notice of any amount of flabdoodle about astrotheology being the source of the New Testament. It is nothing remotely new to them. They've been studying it for
millenia, and the stepping off point from astrotheology is marked crystal clear in the Gnostic symbols. Acharya S can write as many books as she likes. It's meaningless because there is no mystery about this. Christianity is a departure from astrotheology, from deterministic religion. This is its very raison d'etre.
Nick
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