Tat Tvam Asi wrote:
We start off with Aries in the modern zodiac, but Virgo was the starting point in ancient times (as was covered in "The Naked Truth" that I provided earlier). So whereas the Sun would be born of Aries at present, the Sun was born of "Virgo" according to the ancient zodiac.
The main point here is that the astrological references existed long before the later mystical material came into existence. You have a reference to Virgo in the Egyptian religion being given more and more mystical meanings as time goes on. All of these mystical meanings that you've provided are placed on top of the old astrological allegory.
Well, the mystics took many of the same symbols, but frequently made entirely different use of them. They were essentially a useful set of pre-existing labels.
The Virgin birth does not relate to physical birth, for example, rather it is the main death-rebirth symbol of the New Testament.
So part of the astrological allegory is the mystical meanings that have been layered on top of the astrological symbolism. The combination of astrological and mystical allegory combined together to form the term "astrotheology", or a better term would be "astro-mysticism".
Well, this would depend if you think there are actual symbolic connections between the astrological symbol and its mystical meaning. This may be the case for a few, no doubt. But for many mystical concepts there is no astrological equivalent, and for others the astrological term associated with it is purely being used as a label. There is no other connection.
This whole fantasy with astrotheology is itself largely a myth.
If you don't believe me, then why not simply go through the Gospel of Thomas, which many believe was the main early Christian document suppressed by the Council of Nicaea, and see how much you can pin back to astrology or solar worship? We can have a go at it saying by saying if you want, no problem. I submit that it has virtually nothing to do with astrotheology. That's because the majority of Christian mysticism, and particularly that which appears to have been suppressed
, has no relationship to astrology.
Astrotheology is neither dangerous nor challenging. It is merely a harmless old belief system that no one could be bothered to suppress and that bore only a tangential relevance to mystical Christianity anyway.
The mystical traditions that you speak of appear around what time frame?
From the emergence of Christianity around 2000 years ago, though most would dispute this for Kabbalah. Of course, Plato was earlier. And mystical interpretations of the Torah, although emerging historically much later, appear to indicate a large degree of mystical knowledge present at its creation.
Do any of these traditions predate the existence of the Egyptian astrological allegories serving as the foundation out of which the astrological allegory was created, or is it vise versa?
Not that I'm aware of.
As time rolls on these mystical ideas are built on top of the old astrological allegory. They all point back to the astrological allegory. By accepting these mystical traditions one is accepting the astrological allegory that they are fashioned around.
There is, I would say, a degree of truth in this, but it is imo slight. The majority of mystical concepts present in early Christianity do not relate symbolically to astrotheology, but a few of them do, and a few more make use of astrological symbols purely as labels.
Why not continue going through this list of other astrotheological roots you claim are present?