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227 "The logos is completely evidently not the sun. In fact you are about the only person I have ever encountered who thought that it was. Plato didn't."
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That's not correct & you've already been given sources for that.
Like where? Who is saying that Jesus is the Sun?
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page 22 here "Philo discussed at length how "the Word", or Logos was the living sun. You can find it on page 50 of "Suns of God" and elsewhere. Philo lived when the gospel events purportedly took place, yet he made no mention of them, Christ or Christianity. Philo's views of the Logos or Word was in agreement with Plato (428-348 BCE) long before Jesus. Acharya covers this in her 1st book "Christ Conspiracy" on page 228 under the section titled "The Logos or Word."
Look, he's not talking about the sun in the sky. All you have to do is read about what Jesus is. Read Matthew 16 or Thomas 13, where Jesus even asks his disciples to define him.
The meaning of the word logos is not usually abundantly clear to most 21st century people because we are not used to Platonic thought. We are not used to the Platonic worldview. Thus it is tricky to relate what it means because you do have to study Platonism to get it. If you do a couple of hours on this subject you should see clearly that Jesus is not the sun and that the logos is not the sun. Simply googling around the web and confusing yourself with concepts you don't grasp doesn't solve anything. Study the school of thought from which the notion of
logos emerged and you will see clear as day that it is not the sun. It's not complicated but you do have to absorb a different worldview from the one we usually have these days.
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"The Pythagorean derivation of Plato's doctrine of the Logos is tolerably clear; and its connection with the planetary lore of the eight heavenly powers, as well as with the lore of numbers and proportion, 1 tells of a source such as only the Chaldean or Egyptian schools of astrology and astronomy can be supposed to represent in the early Greek sphere. Babylonian religion contains the principle of the Logos in its most definite primary form, the doctrine of the Divine Name, which is the germ of the Platonic doctrine of ideas no less than of the Philonic and Johannine theology. We even find it in a form approximated-to in the Pentateuch (where the "name" of Yahweh is "in" the promised "Angel" leader), 2 and made familiar later by the Jewish Toledoth Jeschu as well as by the modified Christian formula—the teaching, namely, that the mystic name of the Supreme God is known to him alone, and is revealed by him solely to his son, who has thus virtually all power in heaven and on earth."
Well, the
Tetragrammaton is a different though related concept. It is not really the same as the
logos. The Tetragrammaton is the four-lettered holy name of God from the Torah. The logos is the process of divine ideation.
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"...But the Jewish evolution was apparently piecemeal. Different ideas and doctrines, such as that of Metis, Thoth, Thoth-Khonsu, the combined Logos (Moon-God) and Sun-God; 4 Vohumano, the "Good Mind," combined with Mithra; 5 and the Platonic Logos, probably motived the separate evolution in Judaic literature of the personifications of Sophia or Wisdom, 6 the "Good Spirit," 7 and the later Logos..."
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"The allegory of the imprisonment in the murky depths of the Cave indicates that humanity lives in epistemological and sensorial ignorance. Later in the apologue a man is released and the results of his ascent to the shining brightness of the sun compared with his former ignorant fettered existence in the dark below.
The sun is just being used here to symbolise the difference between the lower and upper worlds. This passage is basic Gnosticism.
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For Socrates deliverance from the unknowingness of the appearance of merely sensible objects and the ultimate achieval of the individual and public benefits for society necessitates an acknowledgement of the Forms of Knowledge, Justice and the Good provide. Knowledge can only be attained via an ascent to the brightness of the Good, (of which the sun is a metaphor.) "
Yes, a metaphor. Day and night are metaphors for awareness and unconsciousness.
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Do a google on "solar logos" & you'll find a load of interesting books like "Jesus Christ, Sun of God: Ancient Cosmology and Early Christian Symbolism",
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["Christ is the same wisdom, the Solar Logos, whose physical body is the sun. Christ walks with his sun just the same way that the human soul walks with its body of flesh and bones. Christ is the light of the sun. The light of the sun is the light of Christ"
The term
solar logos is merely to identify the power of the logos with the power the ancients believed was behind the sun. Again, it does not actually mean
the sun in the sky.
If you actually study Platonism you will be able to grasp the difference between the logos and the sun. You will no longer dwell in delusion, clutching at web pages which on the surface might appear to justify your belief system.
Anyone can present a case that Jesus is the sun, or that astrotheology is the core of the New Testament. I could do it. But...in order to do so, I would have to examine about 10% of the data available and disregard the rest. Using this principle, I dare say you could write a paper demonstrating that Jesus was a hedgehog. All that is needed is to disregard the bulk of the New Testament, the bulk of the Nag Hammadi discoveries, the bulk of mystical Christianity, and to have an inner need to rail against orthodox Christianity.
I am fine with opposing orthodox Christianity. I just don't agree that manipulating the data field through unconscious need is a valid way to do it. If you seek to actually understand for yourself what Christ
actually does represent things will get a lot clearer.
Nick
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