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On another thread I had stated that I'm always interesting in knowing the problems with any scientific theory. Here's a very small portion of the main problems that I've found concerning our most popular theory, The Big Bang Theory of creation. Erin Lerner seems to like 'seriously stirring up the shite' in the science community:


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"The Big Bang Never Happened", by Eric J. Lerner

"In our century the cosmological pendulum has 'swung back'. The universe of present-day cosmology is more like that of Ptolemy and Augustine than that of Galileo and Kepler. Like the medieval cosmos, the modern universe is finite in time- it began in the Big Bang, and will end either in a Big Crunch or in slow decay and dissipation of all matter. A universe of unlimited progress from an infinite past to an infinite future makes sense when society is 'advancing'. But when that advance halts, when the idea of progress is mocked by the century of Verdun, Auschwitz, and Hiroshima, when the prospect of human betterment is dim, we should not be surprised that the 'decaying cosmos' again rises to dominance.

Science and Society

And since, as history abundantly shows, people's views of the universe are bound up with their views of themselves and of their society, this debate has implications far beyond the realm of science, for the core of the cosmological debate is a question of how truth is known.
How these questions are answered will shape not only the history of science, but the history of humanity.

The emerging revolution in science extends beyond cosmology. Today the study of the underlying structure of matter, particle physics, is intimately tied up with cosmology- the structure of the universe, theorists argue, is the result of events in the first instants of time. If the Big Bang hypothesis is wrong, then the foundation of modern particle physics collapses and entirely new approaches are required. Indeed, particle physics also suffers from an increasing contradiction between theory and experiment.

Equally important, if the Big Bang never occurred our concept of time must change as well. Instead of a universe finite in time, running down from a fiery start to a dusty, dark finish, the universe will be infinite in duration, continuously evolving. Just such a concept of time as evolution is now emerging from new studies in the field of thermodynamics.

My aim is to explain these new ideas to the general reader, one who is interested in the crucial issues of science but who has no special training in the subject. I believe that if the issues are presented clearly, readers will be able to judge the validity of the arguments involved in this debate.

This history, then, involves more than the history of cosmology, or even of science. One of the basic (although far from original) themes of this book is that science is intimately tied up with society, that ideas about society, about events here on earth, affect ideas about the universe- and vice versa. This interaction is not limited to the world of ideas. A society's social, political and economic structures have a vast effect on how people think; and scientific thought, through its impact on technology, can greatly change the course of economic and social evolution.

My conflict with conventional physics started when I was an undergraduate at Columbia in the mid-sixties. Physics itself interested me, learning why things happen as they do- mathematics was merely a tool to understand and test the underlying physical concepts. That was not the way physics was taught; instead, mathematical techniques were emphasized. This is almost exclusively what students are still tested on, and obviously study the most.

Observation and Conflict

The only test of scientific truth is how well a theory corresponds to the world we observe. Does it predict things that we can then see? Or do our observations of nature show things that a theory says are impossible? No matter how well liked a theory may be, if observation contradicts it, then it must be rejected. For science to be useful, it must provide an increasingly true and deep description of nature, not a prescription of what nature must be.

In the past four years crucial observations have flatly contradicted the assumptions and predictions of the Big Bang. Because the Big Bang supposedly occurred only about twenty billion years ago (13.7 billion years), nothing in the cosmos can be older than this. Yet in 1986 astronomers discovered that galaxies compose huge agglomerations a billion light-years across; such mammoth clustering of matter must have taken a hundred billion years to form. Just as early geological theory, which sought to compress the earth's history into a biblical few thousand years crumbled when confronted with the aeons needed to build up a mountain range, so the concept of a Big Bang is undetermined by the existence of these vast and ancient superclusters of galaxies.

These enormous ribbons of matter, whose reality was confirmed during 1990, also refute a basic premise of the Big Bang - that the universe was, at its origin, perfectly smooth and homogeneous. Theorists admit that they can see no way to get from the perfect universe of the Big Bang to the clumpy, imperfect universe of today. As one leading theorist, George Field of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, put it, "There is a real crisis".

Other conflicts with observation have emerged as well. Dark matter, a hypothetical and unobserved form of matter, is an essential component of current Big Bang theory- an invisible glue that holds it all together. Yet Finnish and American astronomers, analyzing recent observations, have shown that the mysterious dark matter isn't invisible- it doesn't exist. Using sensitive new instruments, other astronomers around the world have discovered extremely old galaxies that apparently formed long before the Big Bang universe could have cooled sufficiently. In fact, by the end of the eighties, new contradictions were popping up every few months. In all of this, cosmologists have remained entirely unshaken in their acceptance of the theory.

... cosmologists, with few exceptions, have either dismissed the observations as faulty, or have insisted that minor modifications of Big Bang theory will reconcile "apparent" contradictions. A few cosmic strings or dark particles are needed- nothing more.

This response is not surprising: most cosmologists have spent all of their careers, or at least the past twenty-five years, elaborating various aspects of the Big Bang. It would be very difficult for them, as for any scientist, to abandon their life's work. Yet the observers who bring forward these contradictions are also not at all ready to give up the Big Bang. Observing astronomers have generally left the interpretation of data to the far more numerous theoreticians. And until recently there seemed to be no viable alternative to the Big Bang - nowhere to go if you jumped ship.

Superclusters

While galaxies are a mere hundred thousand light-years across and clusters not more than ten million or so, a supercluster might snake through a few hundred million light-years of space.

It turns out that galaxies almost never move much faster than a thousand kilometers per second, about one-three-hundredths as fast as the speed of light.

Simply put, if Tully's objects exist, the universe cannot have begun twenty billion years ago.

In 1990 the existence of these huge objects was confirmed by several teams of astronomers. The most dramatic work was that of Margaret J. Geller and John P. Huchra of the Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, who are mapping galaxies within about six hundred million light-years of earth. In November of 1989 they announced their latest results, revealing what they called the "Great Wall", a huge sheet a galaxies stretching in every direction off the region mapped. The sheet, more than two hundred million light-years across and seven hundred million light-years long, but only about twenty million light-years thick, coincides with a part of one of the supercluster complexes mapped by Tully. The difference is that the new results involve over five thousand individual galaxies, and thus are almost impossible to question as statistical flukes.

Science, Specialization and Academia

In 1889 Samuel Pierpont Langley, a famed astronomer, president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and soon to be the one of the pioneers of aviation, described the scientific community as "a pack of hounds ... where the louder-voiced bring many to follow them nearly as often in a wrong path as in a right one, where the entire pack even has been known to move off bodily on a false scent."

The current system of specialized peer review originated in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, as science became more closely tied to, and supported by, large-scale capitalist enterprise. While inventor-entrepreneurs like Thomas Edison chose for themselves what to research, the later financier-industrialists wanted the "quality of work" guaranteed in advance. So they, together with leading academics, encouraged the idea of peer review- the inspection of scientific work by the "best authorities" in a given field.

At the same time, the growing industrialization of scientific research led to an increasing level of specialization. The older generation of scientists had picked their research topics according to their own interests and often hopped across an entire field (as the best twentieth-century scientists continue to do). But as scientific research became organized in large-scale industrial labs, and as university work fell under the sway of industrial concerns, research came to focus on specific topics of commercial need, and scientists were encouraged to devote their entire career to single specialties.

The combination of growing specialization and the peer-review system have fractured science into isolated domains, each with a built-in tendency toward theoretical orthodoxy and a hostility to other disciplines.

Evidence that "interdisciplinarification" does, in fact, fight orthodoxy and encourage the development of new ideas is in the willingness of Nobel Prize committees to recognize mavericks like Alfven and Prigogine. The committees consist of representatives from the whole broad field, such as physics or chemistry, and so they do not respect the specific orthodoxies of a given specialty and are far better able to judge a scientist's work on its merit, no matter how controversial it may be.

When scientists are specialized," Alfven comments, "it's easy for orthodoxy to develop. The same individuals who formulate orthodox theory enforce it by reviewing papers submitted to journals, and grant proposals as well. From this standpoint, I think the Catholic Church was too much blamed in the case of Galileo- he was just a victim of peer review.

The ability of a scientific theory to be refuted is the key criterion that distinguishes science. If a theory cannot be refuted, if there is no observation that will disprove it, then nothing can prove it - it cannot predict anything, it is a worthless myth.

Nicholas of Cusa, 1401

In his major work, paradoxically entitled On Learned Ignorance, Nicholas, returned to the central idea of Anaxagoras- an infinite, unlimited universe. In contrast to Ptolemy's finite cosmos circumscribed by concentric spheres with earth at their center, Nicholas argued that the universe has no limits in space, no beginning or ending in time. God is not located outside the finite universe, he is everywhere and nowhere, transcending space and time.

Nicholas's infinite universe is populated by an unlimited number of stars and planets, and, of course, has no center, no single immobile place of rest. The earth, he reasoned, must therefore move, like everything else in the universe. It appears at rest only because we're on it, moving with it. He cast aside the geocentric cosmos entirely.

The Atomic Bomb And The Return Of The Big Bang

To one of the Manhattan Project scientists, George Gamow, the detonation of an A-bomb constituted an analogy for the origin of the universe: if an A-bomb can, in a hundred-millionth of a second, create elements still detected in the desert years later, why can't a universal explosion lasting a few seconds have produced the elements we see today, billions of years later? In a paper in the fall of 1946, Gamow put forward his idea, a second version of the Big Bang. Unlike Lemaitre, he took as observational proof of his hypothesis the abundance of the elements, not cosmic rays; but like him, Gamow assumed that this abundance could not have been produced by any process continuing in the present-day universe.

Unlike Lemaitre, Gamow had a tremendous flair for publicizing and popularizing his own theories, a flair that, within a few years, would establish his element theory- soon to be dubbed the Big Bang, ironically, by its detractors - as the dominant cosmology. His propagandist talents are demonstrated in the first sentence of the article proposing his views - "It is generally agreed at present that the relative abundance of the various chemical elements were determined by physical conditions existing in the universe during the earlier stages of its expansion" - which was not at all the case: only a handful of scientists had accepted Lemaitre's primeval atom and perhaps only two or three believed that this could explain the origin of the elements.

But if it hadn't been true before, Gamow changed that: in 1947 he published the immensely popular and well-written book, One, Two, Three, Infinity, which gave a lively and sweeping overview of modern physical science and astronomy. The last chapter presents the Big Bang as accepted fact.

GAMOW'S

Of Yet the rapid and widespread acceptance of Gamow's theory of a temporally finite universe was as sharp a break with past scientific thinking as Einstein's spatially finite universe had been. The Big Bang completed the swing of the cosmological pendulum, to the medieval universe- finite in extent, having a definite origin in an instant in time, and created by a process no longer at work in the universe. Gamow's Big Bang was a rejection of nearly all the premises that had evolved over the course of the past few hundred years of scientific development- the infinite nature of the universe, and the assumption that its evolution could be described in terms of processes observable here and now.


To the average layman the theory was certainly a shocking and fascinating one. Yet it seemed another insult to common sense, as Einstein's had been. If the universe had an origin in time, what came before it? What started it? The Big Bang seemed, on the surface, an invitation to hypothesize some supernatural power as the initiator of this titanic explosion.

Moreover, even before it was proposed, Gamow's theory of the origin of the elements had been undercut. Gamow had argued that the stars' temperatures are too low to create elements heavier than helium. From nuclear experiments it was known that hydrogen would fuse to form helium at temperatures as low as ten million degrees, which are known to exist at a star's core. But fusing helium to carbon requires much greater temperatures- more than a billion degrees- because the more protons there are in a nucleus the more they repel other nuclei, so far more energy is needed to overcome this repulsion and fuse.

Gamow contended that because these high temperatures couldn't be achieved by stars, the heavier elements must have been formed in the more intense heat of the Big Bang. But in April of 1946, several months before the publication of Gamow's theory, British astronomer Fred Hoyle put forward an alternative hypothesis involving stars that have exhausted their hydrogen fuel. In an normal star, hydrogen is converted to helium in the dense hot core of the star. The tremendous pressure generated by the radiation pushing outward from this core supports the rest of the star, preventing it from collapsing under its own gravity. As the core of the star is depleted of hydrogen, it contracts, increasing its temperature, and burning the remaining fuel faster - thus preventing the overall collapse of the star.

Once the core is entirely converted to helium, no more fusion of hydrogen can take place; there is nothing to support the weight of the star, so it rapidly contracts, and as it does, the temperature swiftly increases at the core. Hoyle calculated that the temperature would soon reach the billion or so degrees needed to start the fusion of helium to carbon. Once again, the energy pouring out of the core would support the weight of the star, stopping its contraction, until the helium is consumed. This process would continue, producing oxygen from carbon, and so on, eventually building up all the elements, either by fusion or by the same neutron-capture process Gamow used in the Big Bang. And with each contraction the star would spin more rapidly, eventually spewing much of its mass into space.

Hoyle accounted for the production of heavy elements by a process that continues into the present-day universe, and thus can - unlike the Big Bang - be verified. Moreover, he calculated that this process would produce the elements in roughly the observed proportions. Had the Big Bang occurred, the two processes together would have produced more heavy elements than are actually observed.

The Big Bang In Eclipse

... in 1957, after years of steady work- aided by advances in nuclear physics and stellar observations- Margaret and Gregory Burbridge, William Fowler and Hoyle published a comprehensive and detailed theory showing how stellar systems could produce all the known elements in proportions very close to those observed to exist. In addition, the theory accounted for the growing evidence that the elementary composition varies from star to star, something that would not be possible if the elements were produced by the Big Bang. The new theory was rapidly accepted as substantially correct.

The researchers showed that the most common elements - helium, carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, and all the other elements lighter than iron - are built up by fusion processes in stars. The more massive the star, the farther the fusion process can proceed, until it develops iron; at that point no more energy can be derived from fusion, since the iron nucleus is the most stable of all. Thus, when a star exhausts its fuel, it collapses, and the unburned outer layers of the star suddenly mix as they fall into the intensely high temperatures of the core. The star explodes as a supernova, a "little bang", that outshines an entire galaxy for a year. In this explosion, the heavier nuclei absorb still more neutrons, thereby building up the heaviest elements, including radioactive ones like uranium. This explosion scatters the new elements into space, where they later condense into new stars and planets. The earth and the entire solar system was, five billion years ago, formed from the debris not of the Big Bang but of a supernova.

... just as Lemaitre's Big Bang failed when cosmic rays were shown to be produced in the present-day universe rather than the distant past, so Gamow's failed when the chemical elements were shown to be produced by present-day stars.

The End Of The Golden Age

The annual number of cosmology papers published skyrocketed from sixty in 1965 to over five hundred in 1980, yet this growth was almost solely in purely theoretical work: by 1980 roughly 95 percent of these papers were devoted to various mathematical models, such as the "Bianchi type XI universe." By the mid-seventies, cosmologists' confidence was such that they felt able to describe in intimate detail events of the first one-hundredth second of time, several billion years ago. Theory increasingly took on the characteristics of myth- absolute, exact knowledge about events in the distant past but an increasingly hazy understanding of how they led to the cosmos we now see, and an increasing rejection of observation.

In astrophysics too theoreticians relied on extensive data from nuclear scientists and their accelerators, or on observers' giant radio and optical telescopes- or on even more expensive satellites. By contrast, theoretical cosmologists seemingly need no data at all. A few, especially in the later seventies, started using computers for simulations; but most of their time-consuming calculations needed nothing more than paper and pencil. Cosmology was scientific research on the cheap!

The tremendous growth of the theoretical side inevitably biased the entire field against observation, which became secondary to the "real" work of manipulating equations. Cosmologists came to look down on the observing astronomer who spent long nights at the telescope.

It took no great insight to realize that if the Big Bang theory was basically wrong, as had been thought as recently as the early sixties, then these researchers were simply wasting time and talent. A challenge to the Big Bang theory would threaten the careers of several hundred researchers. It could hardly be surprising that by the end of the seventies virtually no papers challenging the Big Bang in any way were accepted for presentation at major conventions or in publication in major journals. It became simply inconceivable that the Big Bang could be wrong- it was a matter of faith.

Yet in the course of this golden age, not a single new confirmation of the theory had emerged. No new phenomena predicted by theoreticians had been observed, or any additional feature of the universe explained. In fact, serious conflicts between theory and observation were developing.
The first and most serious was the problem of the origin of the galaxies and other large-scale inhomogeneities in the universe. The extreme smoothness of the microwave background posed another, more theoretical problem. According to Big Bang theory, points in the universe separated by more than the distance light can have traversed since the universe began (about ten or twenty billion light-years) can have no effect on one another. As a result, parts of the sky separated by more than a few degrees would lie beyond each other's sphere of influence. So how did the microwave background achieve such a uniform temperature?

The Fourth Big Bang: Inflation

As the eighties progressed, the level of theoretical fancy rose higher. The Higgs field began to produce objects like cosmic strings; these too served to explain away such problems as galaxy formation. Finally cosmologists took off on their own, going the particle theorists one better by postulating quantum gravitational theories that bring gravity under the same theoretical framework as the GUTs' three forces. From this effort came the most bizarre theoretical innovation of the eighties- baby universes- pioneered by Stephen Hawking. At the scale of 10 -33 cm, less than one-million-trillionth of a proton's diameter, space itself is, according to this idea, a sort of quantum foam, randomly shaping and unshaping itself; from this, tiny bubbles of space-time form, connected to the rest by narrow umbilical cords called wormholes. These bubbles, once formed, then undergo their own Big Bangs, producing complete universes, connected to our own only by wormholes 10 -33 cm across. Thus from every cubic centimeter of our space, some 10 to the 143 or so universes come into existence every second, all connected to ours by tiny wormholes, and all in their turn giving birth to myriad new universes- as our own universe itself emerged from a parent universe. It is a vision that seems to beg for some form of cosmic birth control.

During this entire period, none of the cosmologists' speculations received observational confirmation- in fact, the foundations of this theoretical structure were being undercut. Even with dark matter, the Big Bang still could not account for the low level of microwave anisotropy, or the formation of galaxies and stars. Nor could it accommodate Tully's large-scale supercluster complexes. And the dark matter itself was ruled out by new observation and analysis. The Big Bang in all its versions has flunked every test, yet it remains the dominant cosmology; and the tower of theoretical entities and hypotheses climbs steadily higher. The cosmological pendulum has swung fully again.

Today's cosmologists have, as Alfven puts it, "taken Plato's advice to concentrate on the theoretical side and pay no attention to observational detail." They are creating a perfect edifice of pure thought incapable of being refuted by mere appearances.

They have thus returned to a form of 'mathematical myth'. A myth, after all, is just a story of origins, which is based on belief alone, and as such cannot be refuted by logic or evidence. Neither can the Big Bang. Entire careers in cosmology have now been built on theories which have never been subjected to observational test, or have failed such tests and been retained nonetheless. The basic assumption of the medieval cosmos - a universe created from nothing, doomed to final destruction, governed by perfect mathematical laws that can be found by reason alone - are now the assumptions of modern cosmology.

Certainly this development is due in part to the growing legitimacy within cosmology of a purely deductive method, justified by Einstein himself. In 1933 he said:

"It is my conviction that pure mathematical construction enables us to discover the concepts and the laws connecting them, which gives us the key to the understanding of nature ... In a certain sense, therefore, I hold it true that pure thought can grasp reality, as the ancients dreamed."

Today's cosmologists, with the support of this lofty authority, proudly proclaim that they have abandoned experimental method and instead derive new laws from mathematical reasoning. As George Field says, "I believe the best method is to start with exact theories, like Einstein's, and derive results from them."

As we have seen, Einstein himself did not use this deductive method in making his great breakthroughs. More important, I think, he would have been horrified to see what his words have been used to justify: even in his unsuccessful later work he ruthless rejected theories clearly contradicted by observation. Yet today's cosmologists take the deductive method as a rationalization for clinging to long-disproven theories, modifying them into bizarre towers of ad hoc hypotheses and complexities- something Einstein, the lover of simplicity and beauty in both nature and mathematics, would never have tolerated.

If the wealthiest members of society earned billions by mere manipulation of numbers, without building a single factory or mill, it didn't seem to strange that scientific reputations could be made with theories that have no more relation to reality. If a tower of financial speculation could be built on debt - the promise of future payment - then, similarly, a tower of cosmological speculation could be built on promises of future experimental confirmation.

Fortunately for science, even the perfection of existing technologies, such as the computer, requires a broad base of scientific research. But it is fundamental research- investigations whose findings don't seem to be immediately useful - that suffer first when technological development slows. Today those areas are clearly cosmology and particle or high-energy physics - where the link between science and technology, theory and human progress, has been broken almost completely. It is here that, as in post classical Greece, the stagnation of society has led to the return of mathematical myths, a retreat from the problems of base matter to the serene contemplation of numbers.

Myth and Science

When Alfven and his colleagues were developing an alternative cosmology, he opened a broad attack on the methodological and philosophical underpinnings of the Big Bang. In 1978 he formulated the broad thesis that I have elaborated here- that the Big Bang is a return to an essentially mythical cosmology. Over the millennia, Alfven argued, cosmology has alternated between a mythical and scientific approach - an alternation he termed the cosmological pendulum.

The difference between myth and science is the difference between divine inspiration of 'unaided reason' (as Bertrand Russell puts it) on one hand and theories developed in observational contact with the real world on the other, Alfven writes.

The Ptolemaic system - based on the unquestioned acceptance of the unchanging heavens, the centrality of earth, and the necessity of perfect circular motion - is a mythical cosmology. The Copernican system, as perfected by Kepler and Galileo, is an empirical one: ellipses are not more beautiful than circles, but they are the actual planets' orbits.

Since it is without empirical support, Alfven concluded, the Big Bang is a 'myth', a wonderful myth maybe, which deserves a place of honor in the columbarium which already contains the Indian myth of a cyclic Universe, the Chinese cosmic egg, the Biblical myth of creation in six days, the Ptolemaic cosmological myth, and many others.

The reason why so many attempts have been made to guess what the state several billion years ago is probably the general belief that long ago the state of the Universe must have been much simpler, much more regular than today, indeed so simple that it could be represented by a mathematical model which could be derived from some fundamental principles through very ingenious thinking. Except for some vague and unconvincing reference to the second law of thermodynamics, no reasonable scientific motivation for this belief seems to have been given. This belief probably emanates from the old myths of creation. God established a perfect order and "harmony" and it should be possible to find which principles he followed when he did so. He was certainly intelligent enough to understand the general theory of relativity, and if He did, why shouldn't He create the Universe according to its wonderful principles?"

"Worst of all, this approach allows theory to rule over observation, like the Ptolemaic astronomers who refused to look through Galileo's telescope. Today cosmology is the hands of scientists who ... ' had never visited a laboratory or looked through a telescope, and even if they had, it was below their dignity to get their hands dirty. They looked down on the experimental physicists and the observers whose only job was to confirm the high-brow conclusions they had reached, and those who were not able to confirm them were thought to be incompetent. Observing astronomers came under heavy pressure from theoreticians. The result was the development of a cosmological establishment, like that of the Ptolemaic orthodoxy, which did not tolerate objections or dissent.

Once I found Halton Arp's Atlas of Peculiar galaxies, it was beautiful. I could link up each picture of a galaxy with some stage of one of my simulations and I knew exactly what forces - electromagnetic forces - were shaping the galaxies. (Peratt)

Quasars and Black Holes

The central radio source and emerging jets looked exactly like quasars and active galactic nuclei that emit such jets- which has long been observed, and which Alfven had theorized plasma processes can generate. Evidently there is no need for a black hole at the galactic center to generate such energy, because trapped magnetic energy, squeezed by the pinch effect, can do the trick even better.

Quasars appear to be only a light-year across, compared with the one hundred thousand light years of a galaxy and the ten thousand light-years cell-size of his stimulation.

In 1989, however, new evidence developed which will probably doom the black-hole hypothesis. Gas and plasma near the center of galaxies has always been observed to move at a high velocity, up to 1500 km/sec for our own galaxy, and similar or higher values for others. These velocities are generally treated as evidence for a black hole whose powerful gravitational field has trapped the swirling gases. But the two scientists at the University of Arizona, G.H and M.J. Rieke, carefully measured the velocities of stars within a few light-years of the center of our galaxy, and found the velocities are no higher than 70km/sec, twenty times slower than the plasma velocities measured in the same area. since the stars must respond to any gravitational force, their low velocities show that no black hole exists. The high-speed gases must therefore be trapped only by a magnetic field, which does not affect the stars.

Tully's results quickly became a hot topic in cosmological circles. However, any alternative to the Big Bang remained almost unknown, since plasma cosmology was routinely rejected by astrophysical journals, and our papers were published only in plasma physics journals, which astronomers never read.

The Search For Beauty

If the Big Bang is wrong, then many of the basic ideas of fundamental physics are wrong as well. The same methods that have led cosmology into a blind alley have also simultaneously stalled the advance of knowledge of the structure of matter and energy.

Fundamental or particle physics, the study of the underlying structure of matter and energy, focuses on the effort to unify the basic forces of nature. As far as is known, the interactions of matter can be described in terms of four forces: gravitation, electromagnetism, and two nuclear forces- the strong force responsible for keeping the nucleus together (the source of nuclear energy), and the weak force responsible for radioactivity and the decay of the nucleus.

As we've seen, over a century ago Maxwell unified two previously separated but related forces - electricity and magnetism - into a single force, electromagnetism, and elaborated its laws and many of its properties. Similarly, today's fundamental physicists hope to develop a theory that will unify all four forces, and thereby to explain the nature of the particles that make up matter - electrons, protons, neutrons, and a host of others.

In itself, this is a fine idea: science has frequently advanced by unifying hitherto distinct phenomena under a single theoretical concept. But it has also advanced by discovering new phenomena not covered by any previous theory. The problem in presenting particle physicists' search for such unified theories is that it is based overwhelmingly on certain mathematical concepts derived from pure reason, rather than on observation. Moreover, this theory is viewed not as the next step in an unlimited search for knowledge but as the Holy Grail of science, the final absolute knowledge that will explain the universe and everything in it, a Theory of Everything.

The goal of this work is nothing less than a complete explanation of the universe, to be achieved within the lifetime of many of those working today, as Stephen Hawking puts it. Such a Theory of Everything will explain not only the four forces, all the particles, the universe itself, galaxies, stars, planets, and people, but it will also be so simple a set of equations that it can be written on a T-shirt. Or, as John Wheeler of the University of Texas puts it, To my mind there must be at the bottom of it all, not an equation, but an utterly simple idea. And to me that idea, when we finally discover it, will be so compelling, so inevitable, that we will say to one another, 'Oh, how beautiful. How could it have been otherwise?
Such a theory will complete the main task of science, leaving only a mopping up of details, except for one major question, in Hawking's view: Why does the universe exist? Once we know the answer to that final question we will then achieve final knowledge; we will, in his words, know the mind of God.

The Big Bang and Religion

So we should not be surprised that today cosmology remains entangled with religion. From theologians to physicists to novelists, it is widely believed that the Big Bang theory supports Christian concepts of a creator. In February of 1989, for example, the front-page article of the New York Times Book Review argued that scientists and novelists were returning to God, in large part through the influence of the Big Bang.

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow echoes the same theme in his widely noted God and the Astronomers: the Big Bang of the astronomers is simply the scientific version of Genesis, a universe created in an instant, therefore the work of a creator. These ideas are repeated in a dozen or more popular books on cosmology and fundamental physics.

Such thinking is not limited to physicists and novelists, who could perhaps be dismissed as amateur theologians. Ever since 1951, when Pope Pius XII asserted that the still-new Big Bang supports the doctrine of creation ex nihilo, Catholic theologians have used it in this way. The pope wrote in an address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences:

"In fact, it seems that present-day science, with one sweeping step back across millions of centuries, has succeeded in bearing witness to that primordial 'Fiat lux' [Let there be light] uttered at the moment when, along with matter, there burst forth from nothing a sea of light and radiation, while the particles of the chemical elements split and formed into millions of galaxies ... Hence, creation took place in time, therefore, there is a Creator, God exists!"

To many in the Judeo-Christian tradition, the idea of a universe 'infinite in time and space' is not allowed for the same reasons Augustine argued two millennia ago: infinity is exclusive to the deity, and thus prohibited for the material universe. To say that the universe is unlimited is to obscure a crucial difference between God and nature, and thus to advocate pantheism - the idea that nature itself is inherently divine and, perhaps, needs no God. Thus a belief in an infinite cosmology implies heresy. Such reasoning is intimately linked to the arguments used against Nicholas of Cusa, Copernicus and Giordano Bruno hundreds of years ago. For many theologians they have lost none of their force today.

For many this all proves that the meaning of the universe resides in a progress toward God to be achieved in the last judgment. But to many existentialists (and physicists) this vision is one of complete meaninglessness. Bertrand Russell, for example, writes: "All the labor of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration, all the noonday brightness of human genius are destined to extinction in the death of the solar system- all these things, if not quite beyond dispute, are yet so nearly certain that no philosophy which rejects them can hope to stand.

Cosmologists such as Edward Harrison describe a similar end: The stars begin to fade like guttering candles and are snuffed out one by one. Out in the depths of space the great celestial cities, the galaxies cluttered with the memorabilia of ages, are gradually dying. Tens of billions of years pass in the growing darkness ... of a universe condemned to become a galactic graveyard.

Paul Davies, another cosmologist, writes: No natural agency, intelligent or otherwise, can delay forever the end of the universe. Only a supernatural God could try to wind it up again.

The ability of human society to make increasingly better use of energy flows by increasing the level of technology would preclude both an end to life and even an end to the growth of life. Cosmic pessimism is unsupported by science.

... the idea that the evolution of humankind is purely an accident, divinely engineered or otherwise, ignores the vast mass of evidence that there are long-term trends in biological evolution. Over these millions of years there has been an irregular but unmistakable tendency toward adaptability to a greater range of environments, culminating in human adaptation to virtually any environment. Over this period the intelligence of the most developed animals on earth has risen with increasing speed, from trilobites, to fish, to amphibians, to the dinosaurs, to mammals, to primates, to the hominid apes and the direct ancestors of humankind.
Of course, through this long period there have been many chance events, many zigs and zags, advances and setbacks, which determined the exact timing and mode of the development of a creature capable of social evolution. Yet this unpredictability in no way erases the long-term tendency that makes the development of higher levels of intelligence, and eventually something resembling human beings, all but inevitable - as inevitable as the development of amino acids in a primal chemical soup.
Thus we find that the apparently improbable accidents of the universe are neither the products of a random and incomprehensible cosmos nor evidence for a designing creator. Rather, they are misinterpretations of the general evolution of the universe.

The old cosmology and the old physics leave humanity with a choice between despair at contemplating a purposeless cosmos and abandonment of the scientific project and the ascription to the deity of all that science can not explain. In either case a gap is created between a rational humanity and a fundamentally irrational, incomprehensible nature - whether or not it is guided by God.


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The Big Bang, Jesus Christ, Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, all the same thing, a big joke.

The problem with science today is that it is controlled by mathemeticians. These mathemeticians want to use their equations (which most people can't understand) to go back to a point of singularaty where eveything began. So far, these mathemeticians have proven nothing. They claim black holes, dark matter, planetary collisions, etc. exist without any proof at all.

If a black hole is so dense and has so much intense gravity where light can't even escape, then what is all that matter pouring out in jets from the center of the so called black hole in total disregard for gravity. After 30 years of stubborn denial, Steven Hawking finally admitted he was wrong about black holes. He now says they still exist, but in different universes, this is where the disappearing matter goes which they have never had an answer for.

They still claim that the Sun is a nuclear furnace. It is a fact that the Sun's corona is much much hotter than the surface. How can that be if it is a nuclear furnace. The inside would be hotter and sunspots would not be colder, which they are. It is also a fact that heavy elements are created by a star and not just supernovas. The 'solar wind' carries these heavy elements to our planet on a daily basis.

Modern day science is as bad as religion when it comes to dogma. Any scientist trying to describe the universe out of mainstream would be laughed at, kicked out of acedemics, and lose all present and future funding.

Every time we have a new expedition to a planet or asteroid, or whatever, we get the same reactions from our mainstream scientists:
We weren't expecting that......
We were suprised to find out...
It isn't what we thought would happen.......
and so forth, while at the same time, proponets of the electrical universe have already predicted what would happen and have been right every time.

The universe is better described by an electrical engineer than a mathemetician.


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Earth, Mars, Neptune and Saturn all have an axes of rotation of 24 to 25 degrees to their orbit.

In the ridiculous theory of the Big Bang and having stellar dust collapse to form an accretion disc which spun around and formed all the planets, wouldn't they all rotate on the same spin axis and be aligned with the equator of the sun. You would assume so , but that isn't the case. Our solar sytem is a fruit salad (as Wal Thornhill describes) of planets and alignments.


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Hey AOC, thanks for coming in behind Lerner with that commentary.

I've left links to the "Thunderbolts of The Gods" documentary around on various forums as well:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1316220374

It's difficult for people to come to terms with just how fragile our standard model cosmology actually is in reality. It's certainly subject to change for a number of various reasons. It's certainly become dogmatic over the years. But just as religions are being thoroughly re-examined scientific misconceptions seem to be under the same scrutiny. It's all sort of lining up at the same time.

I've gone down the path of Milo Wolff's "wave structure of matter" physics a couple of years ago. Milo's wave structure theory pretty much states that space exists with the properties of a continuous wave medium, infinite and eternal, and that all sub-atomic particles exist as spherical standing wave centers which are vibrating with energy in the actual wave medium of space - the substance of existence. Here's a link to Milo's site if you want to do some reading on his wave structure of matter (WSM) theory:

www.quantummatter.com

The Big Bang model is subject to change in any event (IMO). The multi-verse scenarios are moving toward an infinite space, the electrical cosmos speaks of the necessity of an infinite space, and Milo's wave structure model also points to space being infinite and necessarily continuous. The transition from a finite space conceptualization to an infinite space conceptualization seems well under way at this point through a variety of different cosmological theories from what I'm getting here. The finite space conceptualizations are short sided, lack in depth, and ultimately just don't work out in the end.

I caught the documentary on Hawkings new theory on the science channel a while back, the one where Hawking tried to claim that information isn't lost because it still exists in parallel universes. Using speculative parallel universes to cover his ass just didn't seem to sit well with the rest of the physics community. :lol:

I speak of the big bang around here from time to time when trying to describe somthing but it's only because most people only have the ability to think in terms of the standard model as being correct. It's tough to let people know just how flimsy it actually is because they feel that they depend on the standard model as being correct. But ultimately people need to at least be made aware of the fact that the BBT is up for reconsideration and that its not necessarily set in stone. Even more importantly than that, people need to be made aware of the fact it isn't just a 'theistic thing' to disagree with the BBT - many dead serious atheistic scientists have reasons to reject the theory as well and the anti-Big Bang movement isn't just a creationist fight by any means. It's much deeper than that.

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Tat Tvam Asi wrote:
Hey AOC, thanks for coming in behind Lerner with that commentary.

I've left links to the "Thunderbolts of The Gods" documentary around on various various forums:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1316220374



http://www.thunderbolts.info/home.htm

Yes, TTA, more people need to get on board with this. Our modern dogmatic science is holding back humanity just as bad as religion is.

I must admit I didn't read your entire first post (yet). I just wanted to add my two cents. Your second post was great. I will check out the quantum link, thanks.
Hawkings new theory didn't sit well with his peers, like you said, but I don't understand why. Every other time they didn't have an answer, they just made something up. This time, Hawking decided to create more universes so he could account for the disappearing matter, how convienent.
As far as we know right now, the best explanation is: the universe has always been here and always wll be.

An atom is a miniature solar system of energy, a complex unit of cyclic waveforms, each with its own particular frequency. The parallaxes of their orbits are presently referred to in science as neutrons, protons, electrons, etc. It is the cyclic wave-form motions together with the radiated electro-magnetic field which controls their respective reactionary position on the scale of atomic weights or equivalents.


The Fallacy of the Red Shift

The red shift is a great mistake, a fallacy. On a spectrographic analysis, scientists compare the appearance of certain lines as they appear on the surface of the refractory, crystal prism. Like an ordinary, triangular crystal of glass, the spectrograph divides the light spectrum into certain lines, somewhat similar to a rainbow.
It is assumed that all known elements found on Earth are part of every star sun being viewed, as these are similar to our sun. The thermonuclear process, the fusion of these elements, radiates the necessary light viewed on the spectroscope. From very distant star suns, the red light appears at a different place than it does here on Earth. Scientists think this is caused by what is called the Doppler effect, an effect similar to the train whistle which, when receding, has a lower pitch than it does coming toward you.
Scientists think the star sun is moving rapidly away from the solar system and the galaxy because they are always looking out toward the outer rim of the galaxy; they cannot see toward the center because of the many more star suns and other conditions. Scientists must always look out into the Milky Way; therefore, they think that our galaxy and the universe are expanding.
This leads to the most ridiculous of all assumptions-the big bang theory-that somewhere, at some time, a huge ball of atoms collected together, and when there were enough of them compressed tightly enough, they suddenly exploded. The little pieces that traveled outward then formed the countless trillions of star suns of the universe.
Adherents to this theory have not yet explained why these little pieces, in traveling out, have assumed the rotating pinwheel-like formation with which we are familiar from astronomical photographs. Logically, from an explosion, such objects would be propelled straight out from the center. They have not explained the reason the universe is thicker at the center and tapers out to a thin edge. An explosion would hurl bits and pieces in all directions, up and down as well as sideways (360 degrees). Also not explained is the reason countless galaxies have formed in this universe, each one rotating pinwheel-like, the same as the universe, which further invalidates the big bang theory.
Pictures of our sister galaxy in Andromeda show that it is impossible that these galaxies were formed in an explosion. What has formed the universe and these galaxies has been adequately described in the book the Infinite Concept of Cosmic Creation, by Ernest L. Norman, as a huge, interdimensional centrifuge forming this universe-the galaxies being primary anomalies or eddy currents generated from the net sum and total of the electromagnetic energy in this centrifuge. This same harmonic regeneration takes place in forming suns, planets, planetary systems, and atomic energy forms. All are remanifesting in their respective weights the different electromagnetic energy and cyclic waveform patterns from their particular vortexes or centrifuges.
Einstein showed mathematically that light is bent around intense magnetic fields. Energy as light coming from a distant star is curved in that space by the electromagnetic lines of the galaxy, according to the respective differences in light frequencies involved. The effect of this is to bend the shorter or blue rays more than the red rays, with the yellow rays falling in-between.
A scientist makes a big mistake when using the spectroscope. He places his comparative graph lines to line up first with the blue light ray lines. The farther out on the scale he goes, the farther these lines appear to be out of alignment with his comparative chart, which was made on Earth. Lines that are photographed and made into a pictograph, at a very short distance from their source, appear unbent by any electromagnetic fields.
Therefore, the red rays would naturally appear at a different place-one farther out on the spectroscopic graph picture-not because that distant star sun was traveling at incredible speeds away from the center of the universe, but because, just as with a prism, the light rays were bent to form an arc. Following the curved radial lines of the galaxy, the shorter blue rays were bent slightly more than were the red rays. The same process was duplicated by the spectroscope; but as of yet, this blunder has gone unnoticed.
Only one more fact should be noted: All energy rays that are coming from our sun, or from any distant sun, are really not heat or light rays until they are converted in some relative degree by the electromagnetic fields of the earth. This conversion takes place according to the total frequencies involved-heat coming out as one subharmonic, while our three, primary light frequencies are higher harmonic frequencies.
Einstein’s relativistic model of space-time has shown that the universe is curved. That could have been the first clue to astronomers, astrophysicists, and cosmologists, as light is bent as it moves from star to star and galaxy to galaxy. The universe is a spheroid; therefore, an astronomer, as he peers through his telescope or radio telescope, is seeing objects at a distance, but he has no way of determining whether these astronomical objects are moving away from his initial observation. His only means of determining this through factual evidence is by his use of the spectrograph.
He can determine, within the locality of his solar system, the distance between planet Earth, the sun, and the eight planets that surround the sun. However, in the determination of the distance between other galaxies there is an error and that error is in applying the measuring device of a spectrograph which has been created within the known limitations of the behavior of light, within a limited perspective.
Since the universe is curved, the spectral lines of force that have been drawn on the spectrograph do not coincide and, in fact, give an appearance that is completely opposite, factually, to the true reality. Putting it to you in this manner, then, the galaxies are not receding. The universe is not finite; it is infinite. The universe was its present size and ever will be its present size. The universe is more than that which one is capable of determining by present instrumentation. Until present instrumentation is changed to reflect the real property of the electromagnetic field of the universe, there will not be the ability to conceive the evolutionary design of life.


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Yes, TTA, more people need to get on board with this. Our modern dogmatic science is holding back humanity just as bad as religion is.


Yes, the red shift is certainly up for a variety of re-considerations. I have a few links to add here that deal with red shift from the work of Milo Wolff, Mike Harney, and Geoff Haselhurst:

A) Red Shift Due to Decreasing Wave Interaction With Distance

B) Wolff, Haselhurst, Harney on red shift

Basically, when looking at space as having the properties of a continuous wave medium the red shift is seen as being the result of a decrease in wave interaction with distance between matter (wave centers). There's a tremendous amount of information in the links that deal with the red shift observation issue from the WSM perspective.

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Tat Tvam Asi wrote:
Hey AOC, thanks for coming in behind Lerner with that commentary.

I've left links to the "Thunderbolts of The Gods" documentary around on various forums as well:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1316220374


A good video. :)

I rather like the Symbols of an Alien Sky vids that are currently being generated. Though those are on comparative mythology and the archetypes contained therein (possibly all tracing back to some original celestial / interplanetary drama; by that I mean physical, NOT "attack of the little green men," just to be clear ;) ).

Anyway...

Problems with the Big Bang and/or standard model? Where to start?

Redshift issue:
BB says: redshift = velocity of recession = higher redshift equates to further away.
Arp says: No so fast! Redshift occurs in quantized jumps, and is a measure of age, not distance. Redshifted objects, according to Arp, are younger, smaller, dimmer, less energetic objects ejected from older bluer, more "normal" galaxies.

In a few cases, highly redshifted objects appear to have been seen IN FRONT or more normal objects. Indicating a contradiction. The typical mainstream response is that "well, you can just 'see the quasar shining through' the galaxy..." Really? And here I thought the galaxies' dust OBSCURES emissions occurring behind the galaxy "long long ago" and "far far away..."

If the latter is accurate and redshift is not cosmological but intrinsic to the object (quasar) itself, then a lot of standard theory goes in the toilet really quick. Needless to say very few want to see that happen. But in the end the universe will have her say, one way or the other. Should be interesting to see what Hubble can see now that the sensors have been upgraded. If it sees considerably more objects, but not a rise in redshifted objects, would that be a hint that redshift does not equate to distance? IE, if you can see more and further away, then one would expect the number of redshifted objects to increase (seeing faster things further away).

Though, I could see a possible cop-out argument that "well, no the lower redshift objects are just very small objects nearer to us that were beyond our ability to resolve them previously." Still, if we don't see a pretty dramatic increase in redshifted objects counts, I'll be a little suspicious.

Another issue: "dark matter." Invisible, undetectable, able to be sprinkled anywhere and everywhere theory doesn't make sense gravitationally. Just "interpolate" in dark matter with a computer to balance the books! No problem... Don't even have to detect it. Just say it's there. People will believe you.

More or less, Zwicky & Rubin falsified gravitational models of galaxy formation and gross motion. There is insufficient gravitating OBSERVABLE mass. Based upon observations, if gravity is the only force at play, galaxies should be flying apart at the seams! Two choices were available: 1) admit gravity ISN'T sufficient to explain galactic motions and find something that is. 2) don't concede defeat and simply invent more gravitating mass than is evidenced by observation (and "hide" it).

Option 2 was the road taken. Option 1 might have been the better (if more initially painful) route. Granted answers were not at hand back then.

It's rather too bad that astronomers have now created a contradictions after observing dwarf galaxies orbiting the milky way...

(Dwarf Galaxies Orbiting The Milky Way Nix Newton)
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/20 ... ewton.html

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Instead of being uniformly distributed around the Milky Way, the dwarf galaxies orbit in a plane - almost like a set of planets. The group's calculations show that these galaxettes can't contain any dark matter - but then, observations of the orbital speed of the same shows that they MUST contain dark matter, as the extant material isn't enough to explain their velocities.

Clearly, something is wrong.


Clearly!

Mutually exclusive propositions cannot co-exist! A galaxy can't both EXCLUDE and REQUIRE "dark matter" at the same time.

"Does not compute..."

Enter plasma cosmology.

(Evolution of the Plasma Universe: I. & II.)
http://plasmascience.net/tpu/downloadsC ... 6TPS-I.pdf
http://plasmascience.net/tpu/downloadsC ... TPS-II.pdf

Galaxy rotation curves are predicted, expected and explained under an electrical interpretation. No new hypothetical forces or entities required.

William of Ockham wrote:
entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity


William of Ockham rolls in his grave at every mention of "dark matter." (Sorry, I'm a bit opinionated on the matter. ;) )

Anyway, those are a few items to get the ball rolling...

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Even more importantly than that, people need to be aware of the fact it isn't just a 'theistic thing' to disagree with the BBT - many dead serious atheist scientists have reasons to reject it as well and the anti-Big Bang movement isn't just a creationist fight by any means. It's deeper than that.


I'll attest to that. I'm a secular humanist. Though you didn't hear it from me. I agree that the BBT is on flimsy footing. Hubble himself was known to have said that the velocity of recession interpretation was not the only possible explanation of redshift. Nonetheless it seems to have hardened into one of the pillars of BBT.

I think that Arp's results are compelling, as are several images that appear to show redshifted quasars aligned with filaments attached to nearby galaxies. They're generally waved off by BBT supporters as "random alignments." But I wonder how many "random alignments" it will take before a "trend" is noted?

Also, Verschuur's work on comparing WMAP "CMB" hot spots to local galactic hydrogen filaments is also a promising method of rebutting the claim that the "CMB" proves the BBT. In fact, BBT proponents got the temperature of the CMB completely wrong for a rather long time, with other theories more accurately guesstimating the temperature. Only after the BBT proponent Gamow's guesstimates were off by a large margin from all other estimates was it revised WAY downward to bring it in line with other predictions. Had the highest prediction (around 50 K, if I recall correctly?) by Gamow not been revised downward it would have been FURTHEST from the correct answer (around 3 K?). Yet the prediction is heralded as PROVING the BBT. Since just about all other predicitons were hovering right around that mark, Gamow's prediction was unfortunately not "experimentum crucis," and PROVES nothing with respect to BBT.

I also think that Peratt's PIC (Particle in Cell) simulations of galaxy formation (from an electrical perspective), complete with expected rotation curves approximating those of actual galaxies are rather compelling, in contrast to BBT which seems to have to continuously patch itself after observations DON'T match predictions.

Anywho... Yeah, not a theological argument at all. Just a technical one.

Keeping in mind that the original argument FOR a BBT in the first place was by Lemaitre, a priest. Attempt to reconcile astronomy/cosmology with a creation story ex nihilo (out of nothing)... Seems that kind of WAS a disguised theological argument.

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Keeping in mind that the original argument FOR a BBT in the first place was by Lemaitre, a priest. Attempt to reconcile astronomy/cosmology with a creation story ex nihilo (out of nothing)... Seems that kind of WAS a disguised theological argument.


That's exactly what the BBT started out as. And then piece by piece people came in behind the original preconceived idea to try and support it. The notion of something from nothing is complete bunk. All of the new models have had to resort to trying to explain what exists outside of the universe - the all of the infinite space variations including the multi-verse scenario. Something from nothing doesn't work and it's an insult to even suggest it.

Something has to have always existed all along with no particular beginning to pin point and say, "aha, it all started there". Infinite space is necessary and infinite space means "no beginning for mere existence".

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Well, and not only that, but there is also the question of whether the BBT was from a "point source" "explosion" or from some ubiquitous compact state EVERYwhere (not a point) that then "inflated" (and stopped "inflating" at just the right magical point to give us what we see today) and now recedes each point from all other points (as opposed to all points from a single central point)... And apparently is SPEEDING UP in its recession ("Dark Energy").

Not to be a complete contrarian for the sake of contrarianism, but it all sounds a bit fishy and poorly metaphysical to me...

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Then of course there's the actual BAD PHYSICS employed in certain bits of modern cosmology.

The one I currently take most exception to, as it's demonstrably false, is the notion that A) plasma is a superconductor and B) since it's a superconductor, 1) charge imbalance will be immediately "neutralized" 2) no electric field can exist within plasma and 3) magnetic fields must therefore be "frozen in" to plasma, leaving astrophysicists free to ignore the role of electric currents REQUIRED for the sustenance of magnetic fields seen so ubiquitously in space.

Then they have the gall to complain about not knowing how magnetic fields got their start out in space!

Maybe if they read Maxwell, Alfvén and Scott.

Simply put, plasma is not a superconductor. Superconductors have 0 resistance. Plasma does not. That is quite simple to demonstrate by looking at the graph of plasma modes from the Glow Discharges page. Except at the origin (with NO current AT ALL), the graph does not touch the x-axis.

Resitance is defined by the equation R = V / I. Or Resistance R (measured in ohms) is the ratio of voltage V (measured in volts) to current I (measured in amperes).

Since voltage V (the y-axis value) never drops to zero, R also never drops to zero. Ergo resistance is non-zero in a plasma through which current flows. Ergo plasma is not a superconductor. Ergo all the other nonsense metaphysics does not apply.

Plasmas resist a current flowing through them. Therefore charge imbalances are not "immediately neutralized." Therefore there CAN BE (and ARE) regions of differing charge within a plasma, and electric fields can exist between discrete regions within a plasma. Magnetic fields are not "frozen in" to plasma and do not get "carried along" with plasma wholesale. (Did anyone REALLY think plasma was a permanent magnet or ferromagnetic?? I hope not!) Since plasma is not an ideal conductor nor a permanent magnet, we must rely on Maxwell's Wonderful Equations to relate magnetic fields to their sources: electric currents. Magnetic field strength relies on electric current strength. Magnetic field topology derives from the 3-dimensional structure of the electric currents (and their strength). This is the simple principle behind an electromagnet. And just like with electromagnets, in a plasma you can't get the "magnet" without the electro-!

One might also point out that astrophysicists tend to incorrectly treat magnetic fields in space as dipolar or spherical geometries. Thus they say that magnetic fields in the cosmos fall off according to an inverse cube of the distance relationship, whereas the gravitational force falls off with only an inverse square of the distance relationship. Ergo, gravity is always stronger than magnetic fields, right? Not so fast!

The problem here is astrophysicists fail to consider the possibility of a long-straight wire model of the magnetic fields. In many cases far more accurate (especially when considering astrophysical jets, etc.). In the case of a current through a long straight wire rather than in a circular loop of wire, the magnetic force falls off in an inverse relationship with distance. That is to say an inverse FIRST power relationship, making it a stronger and further-reaching force than gravity!

As Scooby-Doo might say: "Rut-roh!"

Have astronomers fooled / blinded themselves by a trick of simply using the incorrect geometry (spherical rather than linear) when dismissively considering the falloff of magnetic forces in comparison to gravity?

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I expect to see a lot of change during the 21st century. It would be interesting to see an eventual breakdown of both our mainstream science as well as our mainstream religions. The more I learn about the two the more I learn that we've all been misled along the way. Once we get a better grip on what the universe actually is then religion can get a better grip on how to deal with things. It's funny that the Catholic Church has created dogma around the BBT, officially giving the theory it's stamp of approval in the 1950's. Now, when the BBT falls it's going to cause quite a problem for the church.

Joseph Campbell's comparative mythology studies suggest that religion has to accept the science of the day and penetrate it to the mystery. So once the BBT is finally out and we're left with one of the many different infinite space based models religion will have take the model of infinite space and focus on the mystery of why it even exists in the first place.

It can't have a beginning, it can't have an end, and after contemplating infinite space for a while it becomes more than obvious that that's what the infinite god symbolism of mythology had been referring to the entire time. Existence just is, it's just here with no explanation for itself - the god with no beginning and no end that is responsible for the planet and life.

Existence itself had been personified and presented in a storyline format, with the sub-gods representing planets, and the elements, and things that exist within the greater scheme of mere existence itself. That was the pantheon. Then the pantheon was narrowed down to a supreme god in the case of monotheism (the Elohim narrowed down to Yahweh alone), which was more or less the case of the astronomer / priests narrowing down the various aspects of existence to mere existence itself.

So the fall of the BBT and traditional theological interpretation seems destined to take place during the 21st century at some point. With knowledge increasing the way that it is I don't expect either to last very long.

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