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i think thats from the 'angels, aliens and archetypes' lecture.

Drew, I just looked through "The Stargate Conspiracy" book & there is no mention of Dr. Greer nor the Disclosure Project whatsoever. I think you've gone off the deep end on von Braun too.

Is there anything in the words of Dr. Greer himself you have a problem with from his books or videos? Books & videos you've never read or viewed beyond the one recently viewed. You are making pretty broad generalizations here calling everyone a Nazi that may have an interest in the topic.

check out something called: "project paperclip" and "project overlord".
those were the names of the operations of getting the nazi scientists into the US.

Von braun's nazi connections are well documented.
he was a colonel in the SS and 'sturmbahnfurer' of the peenemunde facility.

I am aware. We've already had this discussion on page 4 I think.

Von Braun, like many others in Germany went along to get along because if he didn't - he would've been executed. Folks here can also thank von Braun as he is regarded as the father of the United States space program & director at NASA after being brought to the US in the mission 'operation paperclip'. He received many honors & medals in the US. Not bad for a guy that some here would rather accuse him of being nothing but an insane, Nazi, murderer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

sorry, but people dont get forced into officer positions of the SS.

if u remember the SS was the ideological cream of the crop.
they were the ones from wich the super race would be born and even as much as a crooked or missing tooth made one unfit for the SS.

to think a man would be forced into the rank of colonel with the SS is nothing short of, well silly...

aside from that, there are official documents that have him regged as an 'ardent nazi'.

What's quite hilarious is that people have read the information on this thread incorrectly! So you all are contradicting yourself right on the thread!

Von Braun's family was tight with the Nazis and von Braun freely joined the Nazi party, he never spoke out against the Nazis!! Von Braun was a war criminal. I have already given the excerpts from the top expert on von Braun, published in many academic journals, from his Smithsonian research. Wikipedia is just a volunteer entry system -- it's not reliable!!

Carl Rosin needs to take resonsibility for talking fondly of von Braun. I myself was censored for exposing von Braun's heinous supervision that led to the death of 20,000 people. von Braun may had said he felt sorry for the death of 20 people a day but he needed to take responsiblity for his part as an SS Major.

Now all I said was that Greer is promoting the Nazis. I stated that Claiborne Pell is the main promoter of the Stargate Conspiracy and Greer claims Pell as one of his supporters. Pell is supported by Prince Hans Adams who had Nazi concentration camps in his Lichenstein -- a "neutral" country. His bank was implicated in funneling Nazi money.

The U.S. brought some 1,200 Nazis to the U.S. as scientists.

The secret aircraft in the U.S. are from the Nazis! To claim that these secret aircraft are from peaceful aliens is Nazi propaganda. The alien invasion propaganda is from the CIA, from the Nazis and from the Vatican -- all three worked closely together -- again as I've detailed on this thread.

Here's some documentation of how early this Nazi technology was in use after WWII -- from U.S. bases in the U.K.

Nick Redfern: "The earliest report which we were able to uncover dated from September 1952 and concerned the sighting of triangular-shaped UFOs seen during a NATO exercise called ‘Mainbrace’. Significantly, UFOs were witnessed by military personnel reported throughout Mainbrace, including a now-famous encounter reported by half a dozen Royal Air Force personnel stationed at RAF Topcliffe in Yorkshire who saw a circular shaped UFO operating near the airfield."

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Thank you, folks,

if your not gonna translate, why bother posting?

stop posting the spammer language!! ( )

Okay, we get it - a few here still believe that everybody is a Nazi.

From above, "Drew, I just looked through "The Stargate Conspiracy" book & there is no mention of Dr. Greer nor the Disclosure Project whatsoever. I think you've gone off the deep end on von Braun too.

Is there anything in the words of Dr. Greer himself you have a problem with from his books or videos? Books & videos you've never read or viewed beyond the one recently viewed. You are making pretty broad generalizations here calling everyone a Nazi that may have an interest in the topic."

SPAM ALERT!

What's quite hilarious is that people have read the information on this thread incorrectly! So you all are contradicting yourself right on the thread!

Von Braun's family was tight with the Nazis and von Braun freely joined the Nazi party, he never spoke out against the Nazis!! Von Braun was a war criminal. I have already given the excerpts from the top expert on von Braun, published in many academic journals, from his Smithsonian research. Wikipedia is just a volunteer entry system -- it's not reliable!!

Carl Rosin needs to take resonsibility for talking fondly of von Braun. I myself was censored for exposing von Braun's heinous supervision that led to the death of 20,000 people. von Braun may had said he felt sorry for the death of 20 people a day but he needed to take responsiblity for his part as an SS Major.

Now all I said was that Greer is promoting the Nazis. I stated that Claiborne Pell is the main promoter of the Stargate Conspiracy and Greer claims Pell as one of his supporters. Pell is supported by Prince Hans Adams who had Nazi concentration camps in his Lichenstein -- a "neutral" country. His bank was implicated in funneling Nazi money.

The U.S. brought some 1,200 Nazis to the U.S. as scientists.

The secret aircraft in the U.S. are from the Nazis! To claim that these secret aircraft are from peaceful aliens is Nazi propaganda. The alien invasion propaganda is from the CIA, from the Nazis and from the Vatican -- all three worked closely together -- again as I've detailed on this thread.

Here's some documentation of how early this Nazi technology was in use after WWII -- from U.S. bases in the U.K.

Nick Redfern: "The earliest report which we were able to uncover dated from September 1952 and concerned the sighting of triangular-shaped UFOs seen during a NATO exercise called ‘Mainbrace’. Significantly, UFOs were witnessed by military personnel reported throughout Mainbrace, including a now-famous encounter reported by half a dozen Royal Air Force personnel stationed at RAF Topcliffe in Yorkshire who saw a circular shaped UFO operating near the airfield."

Drew "Spam alert"???

- You're talking about your own posts, yes?

You've smeared von Braun, Dr. Carol Rosin, Dr. Greer & the Disclosure Project. That's all.

Drew "Now all I said was that Greer is promoting the Nazis."

- Providing the evidence to back this up with actual words from Dr. Greer from a book written by Dr. Greer shouldn't be a problem then, right?

Have you read any of the books by Dr. Greer? Why do you keep avoiding this question?

You've never asked if I've read any of his books before! You've asked my about what -- 5 times! -- if I've watched his Witness Testimony DvD. And I've told you what -- 4 times! -- that you first asked me to watch the D.C. Capitol testimony twice -- so I watched it and wrote a detailed debunking of the witnesses. Now, as I stated already 4 times, logically if someone is presenting a D.C. Capitol Press Release they are going to use their best witnesses -- which I've already debunked! So I told you for that reason I'm compelled NOT to thrown down money for a Witness DvD -- nor a book. Greer made his case and failed!

Now if Greer's book is at ANY public library or even in a store in Minneapolis then I promise I will read Greer's book. I spend all my free time hunting down books in the libraries and stores (used and new) and I've never seen a book by Steven M. Greer! My guess is that the downtown public library has a copy but I may have glanced over it. I'll make a special trip to read it.

Now then what books have you read or even LINKS -- that I've provided on this thread: NONE.

I've seen no response to any specific information from any of the links I've provided and the responses you have given to what I wrote have been:

WRONG.

Drew, I still do not get where you are coming from with these libelous remarks. I helped get the Green Party on ballot in California many years ago. The Green Party was started in Germany during WWII. Does that mean I am "promoting the Nazis?"

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Well ecofascism is a problem and I used to be a UW-Greens office worker in Madison Wisconsin. I work at Clean Water Action and studied political ecology for a masters degree.

For example the sanitation movement was part of the eugenics movement. U of Minnesota was the leader in eugenics based on "growing a better man-crop" and the Nazis built on U of Minnesota research. In fact when Hitler was made president it was publicly praised by the leading professors at the U of Minnesota.

So yeah -- I do see a connection with the Greens and the Nazis even though according to Wikipedia the first "green" party was not in Germany (I'm sure it's contestable):

"In March 1972 the world's very first green party (the United Tasmania Group) was formed at a public meeting in Hobart, Australia. At about that same time, in Atlantic Canada, 'the Small party' was formed with similar goals. In May 1972 a meeting at Victoria University of Wellington, in Wellington, New Zealand, launched the Values Party, the world's first countrywide green party to contest Parliamentary seats nationally. [1] A year later in 1973, Europe's first green party, the UK's Ecology Party, came into existence. The term 'Green' (German: grün) was first coined by the German Greens when they contested their first national level election in 1980. The values of these early movements were codified into those of today's worldwide Green Parties."

Anyway the Disclosure Project is different -- von Braun was a war criminal who directly supervised mass slave labor that led to the death of 20,000 people.

Now if the Green Party in Germany includes leaders similar to von Braun and then others never mentioned such person's nasty history -- as a war criminal -- and also closely associated with that person, promoting their views -- YES -- I would definitely say that the person is indirectly promoting Nazis, especially if they also rely on mythology that was central to the Nazis (alien invasion as source of high technology) and used the support of other leaders implicated in Nazi war crimes (the CIA and the prince of Lichtenstein).

OK -- I found a link that gives details on the green wing of the Nazi party -- http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/germa ... peter.html

Monism -- through Ernst Haeckel -- was really the philosophical movement that prepared the ground for Nazism. Haeckel was hugely popular -- a mass science movement based on evolution and ecology -- but it was "spiritual" evolution with doctored evidence by Haeckel.

My philosophy -- which is neo-Pythagorean or what I call "sound-current nondualism" -- is also anti-Western civilization but not in any technological sense. Just in a logical sense, like Kurt Godel or Wittgenstein.

Recent research has detailed how the Nazis co-opted "systems theory holism" which was part of the ecology movement in Germany and so the Nazis could build on that systems theory holism to be very popular.

But this was done cynically by the Nazis' leaders because it was realized that to recreate the Reich -- only the most sophisticated technology was in order.

So the whole "back to the land" message of the Nazis was a joke! In fact there has been new research documenting the Nazis did have a lot of "progressive" science under the regime. And that's exactly the problem! Progressive science IS imperialism as fascism -- santiation is eugenics.

This is actually very much the same as the Bush Dynasty promoting creationism and "natural" family values, etc.

In fact the Bush regime is relying on nanotechnology, holographic quantum computers, etc. to maintain the NWO. -- all the same "progressive" science values of the people fighting intelligence design.

So all these huge debates about intelligence design are just as much a scam as the "back the land" movements under the Nazis.

The only thing that remains after the apocalypse is done being "developed" as "progress" aka linear time is "empty awareness" -- see my latest entry at the science blog -- http://scienceblogs.com/loom/2006/09/26 ... p#comments -- for further details.