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This might seem unnecessarily disconnected from the Disclosure Project -- but again that's because the evidence has not been considered -- and here I mean Nick Redfern's very well-documented, recent books on how Nazis worked closely with the CIA to promote an "alien invasion" mythology in the U.S. -- and Coast to Coast has been one of the main venues promoting this viewpoint (featuring Greer's new book as the latest example).

The idea that we can all of sudden have a total conversion of technology into peaceful means, the message of the Disclosure Project, is completely absurd. For example consider Eisenhower's final speech (written by a man who then became President of the U of Minnesota) -- anyway the whole warning of the Military Industrial Complex -- well as Noam Chomsky documents in his latest book (promoted by Hugo Chavez) Krushchev repeatedly worked to cut down missiles and military spending for global relations. Eisenhower refused to do so because Einsenhower felt the U.S. could cause the Soviet Union to collapse economically through an arms race.

Eisenhower was right! But at what expense? Well in fact the alien invasion disinformation was central to the arms race -- using 1,200 Nazi scientists to succeed! In fact sophisticated technology is just this "missile envy" escalation -- and von Braun was idolized in the U.S. as the ultimate phallus producer!!

Hence the defensive reactions here and also on unexplained-mysteries.com (but there I just repost the details on his war crimes and no one questions that).

At any rate monism in Germany as "spiritual evolution" (aka "alien invasion") was really launched as a formal philosophy by Wilhelm Von Humboldt who gave a series of lectures on Vedic philosophy that deeply influenced Hegel.

This main source of inspiration for Hegel's transformation of Germany is rarely known and also highly ironic considering that Wilhelm von Humboldt was Chomsky's main influence for libertarian philosophy.

But then Chomsky too is a "sanitation" prone technocrat -- an openly apocalyptic one whose latest lecture, sold out, emphasized that on current terms "nuclear exchange is inevitable."

Okay, but you sound like a broken record. What does von Braun have to do with the Disclosure Project, other than the fact that Carol Rosin worked with him?

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Why suffer from Egyptoparallelophobia, when you can read Christ in Egypt? Try it - you'll like it:

The SS Brotherhood of the Bell: Nasa's Nazis, JFK, And Majic-12 (Paperback)
by Joseph P. Farrell (Author) Adventures Unlimited Press, 2006

This book reprints Carol Rosin's "alien invasion" talk with von Braun but has a totally different interpretation for it -- IN THE CONTEXT OF THE NAZI DEVELOPMENT OF FLYING SAUCERS.

So, considering that von Braun was the most prominent leader of the 1,200 Nazi scientists in the U.S., his role, in the JFK assassination, in the CIA and it's Nazi-led "Operation Condor" that committed genocide through Latin America, in the development of apocalyptic technology --

all that has been whitewashed by the Disclosure Project's promotion of the "aliens will save us" routine.

That's the real broken record -- just keep listening to glassy eyed testimony of "humanoids" in "saucers from outerspace."

Meanwhile ignore the fact that the U.S. is an empire led by Nazi power!

What do you call it when one passionately attacks someone & their work without ever having read any of their work or videos? Drew, if you're going to smear someone & be credible about it, it may be helpful to have actually read their work FOR YOURSELF instead of being totally reliant upon the bias opinions of others. A lot of what you've shared here has been bias, slanted, inaccurate & many times just plain false.

Drew [/quote]"wrote a detailed debunking of the witnesses" [/quote]

- Drew, you watched ONE video only recently when pressed to do so. Your "debunking" came largely from links & articles from rense.com which cannot & should not be trusted as credible.

Drew [/quote]"Anyway the Disclosure Project is different -- von Braun was a war criminal who directly supervised mass slave labor that led to the death of 20,000 people."[/quote]

- The why wasn't von Braun charged in a US court? They brought many other "war criminals" to justice. Why not von Braun if he was the insane, Nazi, murderer you want us to believe?

In all of your posts Drew, you've yet to share anything from Dr. Greer's books. You seem unaware that he has written any books at all. Again, if he is "promoting a Nazi agenda" as you claim he is then it should be easy to demonstrate this with Dr. Greers own words from one of his own books, right? NONE of your posts throughout your smear campaign has shown this at all. Until you do this, I see no reason to believe a single word you bring here.

"The Disclosure Project is a nonprofit research project working to fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence, and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. We have over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret."

http://www.disclosureproject.org/

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Well I just happened to be in the U of St. Thomas Library (ducking some rain from my bicycle trip). So I'll look up Greer books. I was definitely aware he had written books and I've read his website, which has quite a bit of written material.

As for Rense, well the sources are a director of MUFON who gives his contact info, after pointing out Greer's non-credibility, Dr. Jack Sarfatti -- a physicist involved in this paranormal research who gives the exact email he got from Ed Mitchell and Mitchell's attack on Greer, and Jason Leigh, who also gives his contact info, after pointing out Greer's misuse of information.

Rense just posted those comments -- it's not "written" by Jeff Rense. Obviously anything posted online should be critically analyzed for its sources and this case the sources are valid.

I also pointed out having read a blog entry detailing how most of Greer's employees quite out of disgust for Greer's lack of credibility.

I also pointed out that Greer is a medical doctor which means he has significantly less training than if he was a Ph.D. -- and it doesn't matter if he's a surgeon or a pediatrician, etc.

I've given a detailed analysis of the D.C. Capitol Press Briefing by Greer, et. al. and I didn't rely just on internet links -- I mainly relied on well-documented sources -- books that use declassified documents which are not questionable.

Again the very well documented information that Greer is ignoring is

1) the CIA purposely promoted the "alien invasion" as disinformation and did so in cooperation with the 1200 Nazis the CIA brought to the U.S. -- this is detailed in 3 books by Nick Redfern, the book by Joseph P. Farrell, by Jacque Vallee's "Pentacle Document" that I posted and his book "Messengers of Deception," by George P. Hansen's book at http://tricksterbook.com, by Greg Bishop, by John Keel, by Nick Cook (whose BBC documentary video is available for FREE on the link in this thread), by Curt Sutherly, and others.

2) The same "alien invasion" disinformation is promoted by the Vatican and by New Age researchers (many of Art Bell's guests, Drunvalo Melchizadek, Jose Arguelles, James Hurtak, etc.) who have worked with the CIA and Freemasons -- this is detailed in "The Stargate Conspiracy" book by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince. Greer is supported by a former CIA director (who has worked closely with the Nazis), by Claiborne Pell, former chair of the Foreign Relations Committee of the Senate (that worked closely with the CIA-Nazi genocide programs. Pell is funded by Prince Hans Adams, part of the DRAGON COURT (those are your real aliens!!). Pell is one of the central promoters of the "alien invasion" disinformation. Geer is also supported by Carol Rosin who has glad-handed the Nazi war criminal Werner von Braun.

OK the Twin Cities, Minnesota have been rated the number one and the number two most literate cities in the U.S. -- by two recent academic studies.

I just searched World Catalog which gives a listing for 4 books by Steven M. Greer and one essay by Steven M. Greer -- none of them are in Minnesota.

As I've stated my job, basically, is hunting down books. I was just in http://www.sixthchamber.com/ in St. Paul Minnesota and saw no Greer books.

I go to all the bookstores -- more than anyone else in the Twin Cities -- and even the libraries. It's all I do and I read one book a day!

No Steven M. Greer books!

haha. Too bad. But I'll let you know if anyone in Minnesota considers Greer worth reading for a library to order or selling in a used or new bookstore.

Gee, that's odd. And here I was under the impression that the Jews were in charge.

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Why suffer from Egyptoparallelophobia, when you can read Christ in Egypt? Try it - you'll like it:

Try reading the best-selling Kevin Phillip's book "the American Dynasty" -- Bush is in league with the Nazis.

Chomsky's books detail how the Nazis have led genocidal programs throughout Latin America and Africa as well.

Odessa, based in Spain, was the Nazi International after WWII.

Jim Keith made this emphasis and look what happened to him and Ron Bonds....

Read http://waynemadsenreport.com for the latest on the Neonazis in control -- posing as Evangelicals just like von Braun!

Or read http://madcowprod.com for the latest NeoNazi-CIA exposes.

Here's proof that the UFOlogists think Steven M. Greer is a fool.

http://redstarfilms.blogspot.com/2006/0 ... anada.html

Bush Family's Connections to the Nazis:

http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pa ... -links.htm

In light of the havoc wreaked with mis-use of technology and in light of any Aliens seeming inability to effect real change on the planet, it seems that if they are wanting to make a positive contribution they are not doing such a good job. On the other hand, Drew managed to help shut down a sweat shop---something that I havne't heard any alien claim as an accomplishment.

Rochelle

I read tons of stuff about the Nazis in America YEARS ago. I have no doubt that plenty of Nazis were given berth to the U.S. But to assume that they have more control than any other group - say, Jews and Israel - is untrue, as far as I can tell. Do you really think that Jewish people would be thriving in the highest levels of power in the land if the U.S. were run by Nazis? Uh oh! I smell another conspiracy theory coming on: AshkeNAZIS?

BTW, I was friendly with Jim Keith for several months before he died. Yes, his death is mystifying, as was Bonds, even though the latter weighed about 400 pounds. More frightening, however, is the story of Danny Casolaro, brought to "life" by Kenn Thomas in The Octopus. Man, if you want to become paranoid, you've got to read that!

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Why suffer from Egyptoparallelophobia, when you can read Christ in Egypt? Try it - you'll like it:

Not having readed yet any nick redferns or greer books, i found this review on Amazon.com. I post here to see what do you people think (bolds are mine):

With this book, I think Greer catapults himself into the front ranks of credible New Age leaders. I read his previous work "Disclosure" several years ago and wondered how a country doctor could get the attention of such high level scientists and military people, much less get them to reveal top secret information about UFOs and reverse engineering of alien technology. It turns out that Greer is a natural and highly gifted practitioner of higher states of consciouness, remote viewing and astral travel. This is combined with a sane and rational approach to practical issues and the fearlessness of a Samauri. The book's conversational writing style made me feel like I was there as it describes meetings with Laurence Rockefeller, former CIA Director James Woolsey and numerous Congressmen and military officials. Most interesting were Greer's meetings with people in the Shadow Government and their endeavors to entice him to their agenda. When they were unsuccessful, many attempts were made to silence him, including giving him, as well as a close associate and a supportive congressman, cancer, all in the same short time period. Greer reports discovering information about rogue Star Wars plans to fake an alien invasion of earth. The intent is to unite the world around "Big Brother and a global corporate-military junta". The master plan, formulated many years ago, called for the Cold War, to be followed by the War on Terrorism and finally the "War of the Worlds". Dr.Carol Rosen, former head of Fairchild Industries and spokesperson for Werner Von Braun in the last years of his life, is on record as saying she attended meetings in the 1970s where the Gulf War was being planned. Greer says a worldwide psy-ops program is now being orchestrated to instill fear of ETs through staged abductions using ARVs(Alien Reproduction Vehicles), drugs and advanced electronic mind control weapon systems; cattle mutilations and media disinformation. He writes, "I have interviewed numerous people in classified projects who have been on the abduction squads...". This book is 300+ pages of pure dynamite. If you want to know what has been going on behind the scenes and what the future holds(Greer reveals his remote viewing of possible events along our collective time-line) don't pass this book up.

Yeah it's interesting considering that there's three people who detail how Greer has misused their information and then Greer is assimilating all the conspiracy exposes on the alien invasion being CIA propaganda. So Greer turns it around into a "friendly alien invasion" with the support of the same CIA-Freemason people (Woosley and Pell) who promote an alien invasion as the true "spiritual evolution" of Earth -- through technospirituality.

Pretty smooth!

Anyway this website has been banned from the Minneapolis Public Library computers for "hate speech."

haha -- technology is the real conspiracy.

As per your info I am currently reading of Viktor Schauberger:

"Nature is not served by rigid laws, but by rhythmical, reciprocal processes. Nature uses none of the preconditions of the chemist or the physicist for the purposes of evolution. Nature excludes all fire, on principle, for purposes of growth; therefore all contemporary machines are unnatural and constructed according to false premises. Nature avails herself of the biodynamic form of motion through which the biological prerequisite for the emergence of life is provided. Its purpose is to ur-procreate 'higher' conditions of matter out of the originally inferior raw materials, which afford the evolutionally older, or the numerically greater rising generation, the possibility of a constant capacity to evolve, for without any growing and increasing reserves of energy there would be no evolution or development. This results first and foremost in the collapse of the so-called Law of the Conservation of Energy, and in further consequence the Law of Gravity, and all other dogmatic lose any rational or practical basis." http://www.frank.germano.com/viktorschauberger.htm

Rochelle

Cool! This is a great documentary on Viktor Schauberger's experiments and observations: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8400404583

It ends with the water turbine engine -- just showing it -- and that will be in the next documentary by this dude.