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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:13 pm 
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Blog: Is Jesus a Myth?

http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2009/05/is-jesus-myth.html

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Sadly, it brought out all the nutters. :(

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Why do they follow Acharya's blogs just to post their abusive tripe?

I admire Acharya's patience in replying to them all the best she can. I'll chip in when I get some free time this evening. It really is sad that people have learned to condemn anything contradictory to preexisting conceptions.


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sigh. It's all in their theology. It is their duty to convert people, not matter what it takes. This includes threats, guilt, shame, and other mental games.

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That's right - their religion has them convinced of some "great commission" which never existed either.

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The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=31;

"Our goal, as Christians, is to dominate society"
- Pat Robertson

"The church should be a disciplined charging army Christians, like slaves & solders ask no questions. We are fighting a holy war"
- Jerry Falwell

"Christianity & Democracy are inevitably enemies"
- R.J. Rushdoony "Independent Republic" pg 122, 1964

"Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land - for Jesus Christ - to have dominion in civil structures, just as in every other aspect life & godliness. It is dominion we're after not just a voice. It is dominion we're after not just influence. It is dominion we're after not just equal time. It is dominion we're after. World conquest. That's what Christ has commissioned us to do."
- George Grant - "changing of the guard" pg 50-51

"We [Christians] are the largest special interest group in America today"... "Man your battle stations, ready your weapons, lock & load"
- Ohio tv Preacher Rod Parsley

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ... We need believing people."

- Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933 speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of 1933

Even though it couldn't have been spelled out to them any better:

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The same sentiment and sense of triumph are reflected in "A Real Case Against the Jews" by Jewish writer Marcus Eli Ravage, published in The Century Magazine, v. 115, no. 3, The Century Co., NY, 1928, p. 346ff:

"Our tribal customs have become the core of your moral code. Our tribal laws have furnished the basic groundwork of all your august constitutions and legal systems. Our legends and our folk-tales are the sacred lore which you croon to your infants. Our poets have filled your hymnals and your prayer-books. Our national history has become an indispensable part of the learning of your pastors and priests and scholars. Our kings, our statesmen, our prophets, our warriors are your heroes. Our ancient little country is your Holy Land. Our national literature is your Holy Bible. What our people thought and taught has become inextricably woven into your very speech and tradition, until no one among you can be called educated who is not familiar with our racial heritage.

"Jewish artisans and Jewish fishermen are your teachers and your saints, with countless statues carved in their image and innumerable cathedrals raised to their memories. A Jewish maiden is your ideal of motherhood and womanhood. A Jewish rebel-prophet is the central figure in your religious worship. We have pulled down your idols, cast aside your racial inheritance, and substituted for them our God and our traditions. No conquest in history can even remotely compare with this clean sweep of our conquest over you.
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When we realize that the ancient, pre-Christian world was filled with stories about superhuman gods, goddesses and heroes of all cultures whose purported lives on Earth were replete with miracles of all manner, we must recognize that it is only by extraordinary human perseverance that one particular set of fabulous tales from one particular culture has become accepted as "true," while all the rest are deemed "myths." In actuality, the acceptance as "history" of such patent fairytales as the son of God born of a virgin who miraculously heals the sick, raises the dead, walks on water, transfigures on a mount, resurrects from death and ascends into heaven ranks as cultural bias and extreme prejudice, not reality. It is high time that this fallacious development and lopsided injustice be exposed and the whole of the human cultural record be embraced.
http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2009/05/is-jesus-myth.html

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Islam has the very same ideas and sayings as the ones FreeThinka quoted too. So when all is said and done, WW III will probably be what they call Armageddon, Xian v Muslim, EXCEPT their god that will descend from the clouds will be a nuke. They will find out very quickly, IF they survive it all, just how wrong they are and they actually worshiped a demiurge or even a demigod. We are already starting to see the beginnings of such a war and it won't stop until their Nuke deity descends from the sky... UNLESS...

Unless the majority, the secular, nones, humanists, atheists, agnostics, non-theists, non-religious, naturalists, and whatever non-supernatural label is out there, finds a way to put a stop to it. We are growing in numbers. Hopefully we will grow fast enough to put an end to this religious war, that is being denied as being a religious war, before it gets to the point that one of the nutters sets off a nuke.

But enough of my "prophecy" that humans will do to themselves.

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The Roots of Islam
http://www.truthbeknown.com/islam.htm

Quotes from and about Islam
http://www.truthbeknown.com/islamquotes.htm

Welcome To Islamberg
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Islamville, SC
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Islamberg In Upstate New York
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObYpts2MClM

Islamic world domination
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVqV-CtEVUU

Terrorists training in America
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The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20

They certainly don't. In-fact my copy of the ESV makes specific notation stating that early manuscripts don't include it.

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Here's a video of a debate between a mythicist, Muslim and Christian:



Some of you may wish to watch it - I haven't done so yet.

Anybody know who this mythicist Dr. Christopher Dicarlo is? He's got the rabid believers all riled up - check out the comments by "HISTRUTHBEKNOWN":

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Dr. DiCarlo typifies the irresponsible reprobate Atheist who is not all knowing, but thousands of years removed from time of Jesus, denies what is offensive to his rebellious desire to be as god to commit good of evil which he then blames God for. His desire for unbridled sexual sin is supported by fallacious tactics including promulgating revisionist history. The reprobate denies/evades extra-biblical references to the Person/Life of Jesus.

Laughably and absurdly, he contends a movement lasting nearly 2000 years started from a mythical figure. The catacombs under Rome with the bones of tens of thousands of Christians martyred by evil Caesars were because of a Mythical person. That the thousands of manuscript found and lectionaries were about a mythical figure; that Constantine exploited Christianity to control the empire because the underground Christian movement was not real and not about Jesus.

His unscholarly position that Jesus is a Myth is from other persons that have similarities to the life and acts of Jesus. Genesis, the book of beginnings, first alludes to the work or role of the messiah in a veiled way when God includes the Messiah in the “let US make man in our image”. God indeed foresaw the fall of humans and had planned a way to redeem them from the fallen state should they repent and accept His terms. This is about 6000 years ago well before Osiris and others.

Of course, this loon's got some choice words for the Muslim and Christian apologist as well, because, after all, only he knows the "real Jesus" as intended by the scriptures.

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I found some info on him here: http://www.sofree.ca/humanist-of-the-year

Pretty good debate in the sense that it opened up dialogue for the case for mythicist along side of evermerist and believer views. This is good exposure.

The evemerist and believer views were able to side step the issue of contemporary silence throughout the debate however. The question was deflected when it was asked by the skeptical students front man. The believer was allowed to present non-contemporary sources instead of contemporary sources and he briefly commented that we shouldn't expect too much to be written of Jesus being that he was from a backwater part of the world and NOT in the spot light.

This was a perfect opportunity for the mythicist to move in for the kill and quote all gospel verses claiming Jesus' fame far and wide and present the question of whether the gospels writers were wrong about Jesus' fame or what? The believer would have been shafted in front of all those college students having to either admit that the gospels were wrong about Jesus' fame, or stick to the claims wide spread fame and then account for the silence from contempory sources of that wide spread fame. It was disappointing to see that line of questioning dropped.

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