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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:13 am 
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I just came across Michael Moore's website today and saw an article he wrote titled, "For Those of You on Your Way to Church This Morning ...a note from Michael Moore"

In it he alluded to a possible consideration to do a future film on religion saying:

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"In my new film I speak for the first time in one of my movies about my own spiritual beliefs. I have always believed that one's religious leanings are deeply personal and should be kept private. After all, we've heard enough yammerin' in the past three decades about how one should "behave," and I have to say I'm pretty burned out on pieties and platitudes considering we are a violent nation who invades other countries and punishes our own for having the audacity to fall on hard times.

I'm also against any proselytizing; I certainly don't want you to join anything I belong to. Also, as a Catholic, I have much to say about the Church as an institution, but I'll leave that for another day (or movie). "

http://michaelmoore.com/words/mikes-let ... hael-moore


In Michael's movie "Capitalism" he mentions Jesus, religion & democracy to make some great points. However, he may be shocked to find not only does Christianity have no democracy but according to Christian devotees the Christian religion and democracy are "enemies." There is no democracy in Christianity:

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“Nowhere in Scripture will you find an acknowledgment that each individual has an “inalienable right” to be treated with fairness and respect, or that “We, the People” are capable of governing ourselves. There is no democracy in the “word of God.” In the bible, humans are “worms” and “sinners” deserving damnation, “slaves” who should humbly submit to all kings, heavenly and earthly.”

“American laws are based on a secular constitution, not the bible. Any scriptures that might support a good law do so only because they have met the test of human values, which long predate the ineffective Ten Commandments.”

"The God of Scripture slaughtered entire groups of people that offended his vanity, ordering young virgins to be kept alive as war booty for his priests (Numbers 31). "Happy shall be he that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones," he advised (Psalm 137:9), threatening those with the wrong religion that "their women with child shall be ripped up" (Hosea 13:16), sending bears to attack 42 children who teased a prophet (II Kings 2:23-24), punishing innocent offspring to the fourth generation (Exodus 20:5), discriminating against the handicapped (Leviticus 21:18-23), promising that fathers and sons would eat each other (Ezekiel 5:10), and much more that we would find repugnant in a human being. In this theistic universe, morality is severed from reality and reduced to flattering the Sovereign."

- Dan Barker, former Christian Preacher of 20 years
http://www.ffrf.org/about/bybarker/goodness.php


Here are just a few lovely quotes from Christian devotees and their thoughts on democracy:

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"No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God."

- George H.W. Bush


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"Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land - for Jesus Christ - to have dominion in civil structures, just as in every other aspect life & godliness. It is dominion we're after not just a voice. It is dominion we're after not just influence. It is dominion we're after not just equal time. It is dominion we're after. World conquest. That's what Christ has commissioned us to do."

- George Grant - "changing of the guard" pg 50-51


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"Our goal, as Christians, is to dominate society"

- Pat Robertson


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"Christianity & Democracy are inevitably enemies"

- R.J. Rushdoony "Independent Republic" pg 122, 1964


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"The church should be a disciplined charging army Christians, like slaves & solders ask no questions. We are fighting a holy war"

- Jerry Falwell


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"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in short, over every aspect and institution of human society."

- D. James Kennedy


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"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ... We need believing people."

- Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of 1933.


If it is democracy we're after, we may have better luck learning about the Greeks and the Iroquois native American Indians:

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The World-wide Diffusion of Iroquois Democratic Traditions:

"Immigrants from Europe often have borrowed from native peoples, embraced this knowledge as their own, and then forgotten its origins. Meanwhile, the prevailing assumptions of the "winners'" histories condemn Native Americans as primitive and brutish. The reconstruction of history in its true complexity takes some work, since it often runs counter to the heavy weight of well-established assumptions.

So it has been in the evolution of democracy, [Richard] Williams [executive director of the American Indian College Fund] believes: "The political structure of the great Iroquois Confederacy served as a model for democracy among the founding fathers, who wrote the Constitution based on `we the people,' something unheard of in the aristocratic, feudal societies of Europe. In fact, there is no word for `I' in any American Indian language, which was a profound concept to the framers who closely studied the tribes' customs, government and culture."
http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/6Nations/


Please take the quizzes:

1. Separation of church & state quiz
2. The Bible quiz
http://www.ffrf.org/quiz/

Enjoy these must see VIDEOS

1. "Life and Liberty for All Who Believe"
2. "The Rise of Dominionism"
http://www.theocracywatch.org/audio-video.htm

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Anyway, when & IF he ever decides to create a documentary on religion, he would be wise to include Acharya S.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:46 am 
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FTL wrote:
"Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land - for Jesus Christ - to have dominion in civil structures, just as in every other aspect life & godliness. It is dominion we're after not just a voice. It is dominion we're after not just influence. It is dominion we're after not just equal time. It is dominion we're after. World conquest. That's what Christ has commissioned us to do."

- George Grant - "changing of the guard" pg 50-51



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"Our goal, as Christians, is to dominate society"

- Pat Robertson



That's true. These allegories were written in such a way that they request people to spread them all around the world and then the allegories go on to predict a domination of the world in the form of prophetic vision. So there was definitely intent aimed towards dominating the world with an astrotheological allegory. It isn't democratic.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:33 am 
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Here's an e-mail one can send to Mr. Moore:
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G'day Mr. Moore,

Your article, October 4th, 2009 "For Those of You on Your Way to Church This Morning ...a note from Michael Moore"

Regarding religion, Michael Moore said "I'll leave that for another day (or movie)."

If you do a documentary on religion Michael, it would be cool if you interview D.M. Murdock aka "Acharya S" and have her in it. I assume you're swamped at the moment due to the new movie out (which I thoroughly enjoyed, as per usual). But, when you can, you should check out her books and videos etc. Nobody exposes the origins and history of religion as well as Acharya S. You would be crazy not to include her - she's the best!

Enjoy these:

Zeitgeist: The Movie - Part 1
http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/vie ... =19&t=2997

The Zeitgeist Part 1 Sourcebook (transcript & sources)
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/z ... cebook.pdf

"The Origins of Christianity"
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/o ... ianity.pdf

The Origins of Islam
http://www.truthbeknown.com/islam.htm

The 2010 Astrotheology Calendar
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/2010calendar.html

Videos
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/videos.html

Ms. Murdock is also featured in a new documentary film entitled, "God in the Box." Enjoy an interesting video clip of "Acharya S/D.M. Murdock" at 2:05 through 2:45:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRRooPQolJ8

Books
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com

http://www.truthbeknown.com

http://www.freethoughtnation.com

I truly hope you do decide to do a documentary on religion

All the best,


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:24 pm 
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Democracy brings out the worst in us. It appeals to the medulla oblongata.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:46 pm 
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conciousgood wrote:
Democracy brings out the worst in us. It appeals to the medulla oblongata.

I don't know about democracy, but it seems capitalism brings out the worst in a country.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:35 am 
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Capitalism, like any other "ism" can certainly be just as bad as any other "ism." Especially to the degree our political leaders and gov'ts businesses etc become corrupt, which is precisely what we have now. And corruption within the US is as bad now, if not worse, than any time in US history but it's bad worldwide now too.

I highly recommend watching Michael Moore's movie "Capitalism." It's not perfect but the important points are made.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:52 am 
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While I take issue with many of Moore's political stances, I too would recommend watching his movie, "Capitalism". It is a great initiation into the modern form of Capitalism and Oligarchy.


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