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 Post subject: Eating your Veggies
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:47 pm 
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Every great health and nutrition expert will tell you to eat lots of vegetables, and I"ve seen some say 90% of your diet should be fruits and vegetables, and I just want to honestly ask, does anyone on this board actually do that?

I have a few problems with that personally. #1, is the amount of vegetables you'd have to eat is obscene. Let's say you want to be on low calorie diet of 1,800. A cup of Kale is only 30 calories, a spear of broccoi is 11 calories. Fruit has a more due to the sugar, but it's like, we'd have to be gorilla's grazing on leaves all day to eat that way.

They are probably right, that that is how to be in optimal health, but who can do that? I'll eat a few cups of Kale, Lettuce, Cabbage, Cauliflower etc, but I can't gourge myself on that.

Now fruit on the other hand, anyone can gourge themselves on fruit! But it's only in season at certain times. Out of season, it's shipped from long distances and is expensive.


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 Post subject: Re: Eating your Veggies
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:00 pm 
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Heh !! heh!!

The basic problem that I have seen with this veggie fad among the westerners is that you guys don't know the knack of being vegetarians and whatever you eat is always with a calory yardstick. The westerner assumes that vegetarian food means eating green leaves and raw roots like a goat. His food never includes rice, wheat, lentils and pulses, honey, ghee and the spices with the regular coffe, tea and the fruit juice. When you prepare a meal with all these along with the vegetables, you won't look like a gorilla and can finish your meal in 20 minutes flat. :P :P


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Every great health and nutrition expert will tell you to eat lots of vegetables, and I"ve seen some say 90% of your diet should be fruits and vegetables, and I just want to honestly ask, does anyone on this board actually do that?

I have a few problems with that personally. #1, is the amount of vegetables you'd have to eat is obscene. Let's say you want to be on low calorie diet of 1,800. A cup of Kale is only 30 calories, a spear of broccoi is 11 calories. Fruit has a more due to the sugar, but it's like, we'd have to be gorilla's grazing on leaves all day to eat that way.

They are probably right, that that is how to be in optimal health, but who can do that? I'll eat a few cups of Kale, Lettuce, Cabbage, Cauliflower etc, but I can't gourge myself on that.

Now fruit on the other hand, anyone can gourge themselves on fruit! But it's only in season at certain times. Out of season, it's shipped from long distances and is expensive.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:56 pm 
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Yes, I know about those other kinds of foods. There's lots of other high protein/calorie food that is not meat, but dietarily, legumes, seeds, nuts and grains are usually not classified as "vegetables". That's what I was talking about. But of course, you do have a lot of options as a non-meat eater.


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 Post subject: Re: Eating your Veggies
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:13 am 
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Aaron wrote:
Every great health and nutrition expert will tell you to eat lots of vegetables, and I"ve seen some say 90% of your diet should be fruits and vegetables, and I just want to honestly ask, does anyone on this board actually do that?

Actually, I do eat just [raw] fruits and [raw] tender leafy greens. :)

You can check my sig for some info (and propaganda).

Also, '30 Bananas A Day' is a community for people who all follow something along the lines of Doug Graham's '80-10-10' diet.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:16 pm 
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Belse,
Who are you on the Zeitgeist Movement forum? Are you "nidu?"


Anyways, yeah, the problem with grains and lentils and beans and all that stuff, is it must be cooked. And therefore you remove nutrients from it. It won't kill you or give you cancer, but it will give you less vitality and slowly degrade your body. The more the body can go on raw foods, the better. The best balance of nutrients and calories are fruits. Followed by Green juices. It's not about "western" traditions or "eastern" traditions.

West of where? East of what?

It's about the HUMAN diet. Thousands of years of evolution away from Africa and our genes have changed so little that it remains a fact that people in Africa are more genetically diverse with each other than people out of Africa are with Africans.

Our biology has never been one that thrives on meat, or even grains. These were always make-shift adjustments that we had to adopt to get by. Since natural selection only culled off those who couldn't reach reproductive age, and the diet shift wasn't severe enough to deteriorate people so fast that they didn't reach that age of reproduction, the result was that the lifespan and life-quality shot downwards, but "traditions" were developed nonetheless, based on these sub-optimal diets.

To this day there is not one healthy diet anyone can name that is only beans and rice, or only animal foods, or only heavy starchy vegetables. All of those diets, if they are successful, implement massive amounts of fresh fruits and veggies into the regimen.
However, you CAN have an incredibly healthy diet with ONLY fruits and veggies. Another indicator that those are the foods we need, and do best on.

I can put low octane, cheap fuel in my car, and it will run so so. And in fact, I do. Because I don't care about my car.
But why would I want to only put so-so fuel in my body? I have only ONE. I can't trade it in when it goes bad.

Raw vegan all the way. If you can't go 100% then go 80%. If you can't do that, then go 70. Go 50. Whatever. Just go!

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 Post subject: Re: Eating your Veggies
PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:14 am 
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Once you get used to eat, it really is quite simple. Stock up on fresh fruit so it's always there for a big bowl of fruit salad or two, and to eat as snacks in between. With every other mean, include a handful or two or more of veggies eg pizzas, pastas, stir frys, steam veg, roasted veg and get a big serve of salad in each day.


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 Post subject: Re: Eating your Veggies
PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:26 am 
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Just wanted to post the introduction to a book I was working on. Although I do not consider myself a Buddhist, I have been influenced by many Buddhist points, and I believe they have an excellent stance on diet!

I could not agree with more with a previous poster who believes that the importance of animal protein is greatly exaggerated.

Buddha Diet

“When a person is constantly mindful,
And knows when enough food has been taken,
All their afflictions become more slender
They age more gradually, protecting their lives.” -Buddha to king Pasenadi

A lot of westerners mistake the heavy stetted Chinese god Hotei for the Buddha. However, as described in the Buddhist texts, and as later depicted in Greco-Buddhist art, the historical Buddha Siddhartha Gautama had a body like the Greek god Adonis.
Since childhood I have always been a little overweight and decided to mimic the Buddha’s diet to attempt to recondition my eating habits. I, like most people, detest diets or anything that suppress’ my appetite, so I decided to start off slow. Firstly, I adopted the Buddha’s advice on when to eat and what position to sleep in. With only these two changes in my lifestyle I immediately lost ALL of my excess body fat. So, those who doubt their ability to follow the complete ‘Buddha diet’ to the “T” should first consider starting out with two simple changes in their lifestyle.
One of the first changes should be the rearranging your eating schedule. The Buddhist texts stress the importance of eating in the day time and not in the night time. Here, medical research has confirmed that eating before bedtime is the cause of many of the modern worlds (especially western nations) ailments. This step may seem easy enough, but in reality it is difficult for those with an abundance of food to fall asleep on an empty stomach. For several nights (probably one!), I tossed and turned in what seemed to be an eternity of hell. The following morning, to the best of my knowledge, something happened to me that had not happened in recent memory. That was, I woke up with a fierce appetite. This happened to me every morning and I would gorge on all types of food (bacon, eggs, cereal, bread and butter, etc….) I figured, since I was suffering so much at night I deserved to eat as much as I wanted in the day time. Almost immediately my nighttime hunger pains were replaced by a certain light and energetic metabolic rapture. Even though I was eating a lot of junk food and meat, I was still loosing weight! I stress that the followers of this diet should go out of their way to stuff themselves in the daytime so that come nighttime they are naturally disenchanted with food.

Another important change that should be attempted first is the realignment of your body’s default posture. When awake, or moving about, it is important to recognize that your body’s energy source is transformed in the midsection. The diaphragm is dependant on heart pressure which is dependent on several important factors such as diet, breath regulation, posture and mentality. Here the Buddhist texts would add that when breath, posture and mentality are perfected the physical body can be sustained by eating only wood or hemp and even nothing (most abundant source of protein on the planet is nitrogen in the air which cannot be absorbed by your body without intense heat, or Agni breath, which some Buddhists claim to have mastered).
Your body’s posture is perfected when your backbone is taught like a well tuned guitar; this is the point were someone is mindful of their lower back throughout the day and they neither seize up nor loosen the rigidness of their back.
When sleeping, it is important to incorporate the use of your right side in supporting your frame. Basically, because your heart is on your left side and the left lung is slightly retarded compared to the left lung, when sleeping on your right side there is less weight pushing down on your heart which allows it to pump blood more effectively. As with the other lifestyle adjustments this also adds to your longevity. This posture in Buddhism is known as the lions posture and it is also interesting to note that, along with many other Buddhist originals, it would make its way into an early Coptic account of Jesus were it is written that Jesus laid down on his right side. Also in reading a bio of Mohamed, who is called “the Prophet”, it was said that he was fond of sleeping on his right side.
I gave these two points of advice to three of my family members and four of my friends. They all had the similar results of weight loss, increased muscle density, increased vigor, and in regards to their bodily functions several of them have told me of their increased continence.
For those who would like to progress further on the Buddha diet, they should likewise see dramatic results by following the eating style of Buddhists as described in the earliest monastic code. Of course, it should be noted that whereas the previous two steps are relatively easy adjustments, some requirements of the monastic code require extreme restraint. But these steps should not be taken as absolute rules, as even many Buddhists would interject that we must know when to break the rules and not hesitate to find a middle ground between severity and indolence. Again, it should be noted that the Buddha diet should be adjusted to the practitioner’s lifestyle and bodily requirements. For, instance those who have a very physical job and do not wish to practice meditation as an aid to overcoming the bodies dependence on food should eat good plant protein (like hemp seeds) and a good plant fat that comprises around 2/3 of their diet.

Some modern nutritionists would take issue with the Buddhist method of begging for food because it obviously downplays the need for any careful calculations regarding protein, carbohydrate and fat requirements. Firstly, it should be noted that monks who were sick and required food as medicine were not bound by any of the rules regarding diet. Secondly, it is a well known fact that our bodies only require protein because of stress, or the production of catabolic hormones that eat away the body’s muscle while taking digested food and storing it as body fat. Reversely, when people secrete positive, or anabolic hormones, the body burns fat and builds muscle, and their protein requirements are reduced dramatically . Thirdly, I don’t think that anyone could argue that most nutritionists today, although implying a holistic approach, do not place any significance on meditation and mindfulness in there understanding the bodies absorption and excretion of food.


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 Post subject: Re: Eating your Veggies
PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:08 pm 
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Well i guess that u've got alots of knowledge about vegetables . I am also a vegetarian because i've got some health issues that's why i eat more vegetables and it's really helping me alots for managing my symptoms .


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