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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:51 am 
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http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joo ... 787#222787

I'm going to try and get people on TZGM forums to engage me in discussion about the mythicist position, Acharya's research, and how it all fits in with the movement. I'm hoping that the members of TZGM who disagree with the mythicist position and/or Acharya's work in general will boldly voice their opinions so that I can get a better understanding of where they're coming from and what sort of rationale goes into such an opinion.

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The "Jesus Christ" of the New Testament is a fictional composite of characters, real and mythical. A composite of multiple "people" is no one.

The celestial Origins of Religious Belief
ZG Part 1
Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:32 pm 
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Thanks for doing that Tat. I think it's a great idea to start that conversation.

I think there's a monumental gap between Zeitgeist part 1 (only 25 minutes) and the rest of the story provided throughout all of Acharya's works that folks still aren't getting.

Recent discoveries over the last couple of centuries and even the last couple decades shows that the origins of religious belief stem from natural phenomena via astrotheology long before Christianity or even the Jews were ever thought of. At this very point in time we have the most thorough picture of religious origins, history and evolution. So, I feel it's a good idea to share that with the world. People have not only a right but a responsibility to be made aware. And in that process we are still in the earliest stages of correcting all the inaccuracies of the past including the bible.

I don't see a way to correct the old history of religion without pointing out at least some of the major inaccuracies. It clearly isn't the job of TZGM to determine what is or isn't accurate - that should be left to the experts. However, TZGM can proactively adopt the new model of religious origins, history and evolution that is rooted in astrotheology and mythology that is simple to understand. By doing that, they allow for each culture and society in a variety of environments to have their own similarities as well as differences yet, still the same fundamental origin. It's all inclusive.
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The Mythicist Position:

"Mythicism represents the perspective that many gods, goddesses and other heroes and legendary figures said to possess extraordinary and/or supernatural attributes are not "real people" but are in fact mythological characters. Along with this view comes the recognition that many of these figures personify or symbolize natural phenomena, such as the sun, moon, stars, planets, constellations, etc., constituting what is called "astrotheology." As a major example of the mythicist position, various biblical characters such as Adam and Eve, Satan, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, King David, Solomon & Jesus Christ, among other figures, in reality represent mythological characters along the same lines as the Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian, Greek, Roman and other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths, rather than historical figures."

Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection page 12

Astrotheology of the Ancients
http://stellarhousepublishing.com/astrotheology.html

What is a Mythicist?
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/mythicist.html

Zeitgeist part 1 & the Documented Evidence

Maybe we should distance ourselves from ZG1 and put more emphasis on the new model? Well, we've already been doing that. ZG1 is just a fraction of the bigger picture so, why should we be boxed in by ZG1? We here who are quite familiar with Acharya's works and her sources were past all that long before ZG1 was ever made anyway.

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Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:07 pm 
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I'm just sharing a few thoughts off the top of my melon after reading through your thread over at TZGM
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Tat "Even though that's the case, they still believe in the literal existence of the devil as an entity who is conspiring against Christ who will come and try to pretend to be Christ on earth."

ZGM responder "Sorry, but even the people that believe that are a comparably small minority."

"44 percent of Americans are confident that Jesus will return to Earth sometime in the next 50 years"
http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text ... nst-faith/

"79 percent of young people believe in the devil"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,99945,00.html

Poll finds more Americans believe in devil than Darwin
http://richarddawkins.net/articles/1938

How Many Americans Believe in God and The Devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjlsVHY-CXM
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ZGM responder "I highlighted quite a while ago that evangelical Christianity is projected for 'collapse' within a decade."

The coming evangelical collapse
http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opi ... -coop.html

The End of Christian America
http://www.newsweek.com/id/192583

In my own view this type of naivety is highly dangerous. While Christianity may be on the decline (which has happened many times throughout its past) it tends to bounce back as history shows but even if it doesn't we are already facing a FAR WORSE situation with Islam on the rise. Islam threatens the world with a new, modern day dark ages. Islam isn't criticized in either of the Zeitgeist movies. As other ZG forum members have pointed out and apparently paid a price for doing so.

Does the Zeitgeist Movement support Islam?
http://zeitgeistmovementsupportsislam.blogspot.com

And Muslims are actually utilizing Zeitgeist part 1 for their own advantage.
viewtopic.php?p=18148#p18148

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ZGM responder "I think that the socially destructive elements of all religions will eventually disappear in and of themselves (without any need for 'educating' or 'coercing' people out of them) just as destructive elements of religions of the past have."

Why on earth would anyone honestly believe that "the socially destructive elements of all religions will eventually disappear in and of themselves (without any need for 'educating' or 'coercing' people out of them)," when all of history shows the opposite? On what basis do you believe problems rooted in religion will disappear all on their own? When and where has that ever happened before? I suppose the crusades and Inquisitions did finally come to an end at some point.

Pagan Destruction Chronology (314-870 C.E.)
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2185

This view omits the fear tactics used by religion which has worked so well for a couple thousand years now. It also forgets that religion is big business nowadays and innocent devotees are still providing loads of their own money via tithes, tax exemptions, donation etc. In a resource based economy that money could be better utilized elsewhere.

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The Mythicist Position
Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection
Stellar House Publishing at Youtube


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:01 am 
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Whats the purpose of it? Are they trying to debunk it? Or just looking for something to bitch about? "Confused"? Some one start a site in support of it bet that would blister more than few..................... :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:22 am 
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Freethinkaluva22 wrote:
I think there's a monumental gap between Zeitgeist part 1 (only 25 minutes) and the rest of the story provided throughout all of Acharya's works that folks still aren't getting.


I would love to see a Full Documentary that goes into greater detail than ZGp1!!! That would be awesome 8) Is there any thing in the works???


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