Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:24 pm Posts: 4337 Location: 3rd rock from the sun
Muslims use Zeitgeist for Islamic Advantage
After reading through the comments at the Zeitgeist forums and some of the knee-jerk reactions. I can see why some would make a case that Muslims are using Zeitgeist to their own advantage. The Zeitgeist movement crowd act like they don't want anyone to have a discussion that involves criticism of Islam. A couple moderators at the Zeitgeist forum locked two threads discussing Islam's monetary system. They also deleted or edited out Geert Wilders video "Fitna" - claiming it was due to complaints. Right, from Muslim parasites hanging out at the Zeitgeist movement forums - if folks are seriously concerned about any NWO they best be looking into Islam as it's monetary system spreads with globalization into western countries.
Zeitgeist inadvertently tips its hat to Islam & Muslims by default for not criticizing Islam at the level it needs to be exposed. I don't fault the Zeitgeist creators for this at all. I mean, geez, ya can only do so much. But, Muslims are now using ZG 1 as a tool for recruiting others to Islam as the superior religion.
So, it may be wise for the makers of Zeitgeist to do a full expose on Islam, sharia law, human & civil rights in Muslim countries, sharia-compliant banking/finance/monetary system and the Islamic agenda for world domination.
Here are a couple posts from the Zeitgeist forum:
Why doesn't Zeitgeist criticize Islam?
"Why should it? ZG only directed it's focus at Christianity because of it's influence and the fact that most people know more about Xtianity than Islam, Judaism, Paganism, etc,. It was just convenient."
And directing its focus on Christianity was great - I enjoyed it. However, I am now seeing Muslims take advantage of the Christian criticism to push Islam and sharia. In other words, . It helps Muslims point out the flaws in other religions but since Zeitgeist doesn't equally thoroughly criticize Islam, ZG by default whether inadvertent or not, favors Islam. At least in Muslim eyes.
Now, if the UN passes that Anti-Blasphemy Resolution it would make it illegal to criticize Islam worldwide - or for all UN member nations (which pretty much covers all western societies) and thereby handing over global dominance to Islam i.e. giving Islam and sharia the global dominance victory they've been working towards.
Best get busy making a video exposing Islam before it's illegal.
Zeitgeist III - What Would You Like To See Discussed?
Well, how about actually addressing ISLAM for once at the level it needs to be addressed? I enjoyed part 1 on religion with its exposure of Christianity and bringing the concept of astrotheology to light for a great many people who otherwise would never have been made aware.
However, there's still much to expose about Islam - even its monetary issues with sharia-compliant banking, sharia finance and sharia law let alone it's abuses of human rights, civil rights and its agenda for world domination as exemplified by the recent UN Anti-Blasphemy Resolution trying to shut down all criticism of Islam. Islam & Christianity make up over 50% of the worlds population - they both need to be strongly exposed. Christianity was dealt quite a blow by part 1 - now it's Islams turn.
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
-- Omar M. Ahmad, founder of Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
"This religion [Islam] will destroy all other religions through the Islamic Jihad fighters"
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I think I can understand what is happening. Maybe the target is wrong. The zeitgeist forum is populated by christians, atheists and maybe some new age guys, but there are almost no people of islamic religion. So why opening threads against islam in a forum of people who already doesn't believe in the islamic religion? It can only produce negative effects, like:
1 - You can produce hatred in non-islamic people toward islamic people, and in this way you isolate the islamic people even more, radicalizing them and stopping any cultural exchange
2 - By talking to non-islamic people instead of talking to islamic people you will send the wrong message. It will be like talking to atheists and saying to them that christians people are bad. You will not convert any christian that way, you will only create discrimination between the two groups and exacerbate racism.
3 - Seeing that you are preaching to non-islamic people, islamic people will start thinking that you are not talking to help them to fight indoctrination, but that you are talking to push people against them because you hate them. And this will make even more difficult for your message to reach them.
I may be wrong, but I suspect that this is the reason because they are locking posts about islam.
In my opinion the right way is to write in forums with many islamic people, and not to criticize them but to question them. The socratic method of posing a critique as a question is the best method to avoid being perceived as a threat and reaching your target more effectively. Fighting them is useless. The more a country or a people is isolated and attacked, the more it radicalize itself in his own beliefs. The best thing for now is to follow the strategy that the freemasons are using in europe: let them mixing with our culture, and they will progressively become less radical in their beliefs. We need to invite people to become friend with them and to talk to them, not to marginalize them. Because the more they are in contact with us and our lifestyle, the more they will be freed from the chains of their horrible indoctrination.
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:21 am Posts: 150 Location: Italy
The problem with that is that some of the moderators ARE Muslim or ex-Muslim as they themselves have admitted.
I didn't know that. You may be right then, they are very likely to be biased. But still, there are not many muslisms in that forum, they are almost non existant. A post that criticize islam in a non muslim forum can only be seen as a way to foment hatred of non muslims against muslims. Also, is useless. A critic of the islamic religion can only be effective in forums with a significant muslim presence, and only if they understand that we are not their enemy. Otherwise it will be only counterproductive.
Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:24 pm Posts: 4337 Location: 3rd rock from the sun
I see your point but I disagree that we shouldn't discuss Islam critically. After all, Muslims certainly don't return that favor at all, do they. They have no problem criticizing the Jews, Christians or pagans, infidels, kafars etc. If it's true that the ideology behind Islam tells Muslims that they should dominate the earth then, all of that needs to be exposed. Same as it should be with any other religion. People have the right and the responsibility to be aware.
Like you said in the other thread Descartes:
From the Qur'an
1. "Infidels are your sworn enemies," (Sura 4 Verse 101). 2. "Make war on the infidels around you,"(Sura 9 Verse 123 and Sura 66 Verse 9). 3. "Be ruthless to the infidels," (Sura 48 Verse 29). 4. "Fight those who believe not Allah nor the Last Day,"(Sura 9 Verse 29). 5. "Strike off the heads of infidels in battle," (Sura 47 Verse 4). 6. "If someone stops believing in Allah, kill him,"(al-Bukhari 9.84.57). 7. "Take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends,"(Sura 5 Verse 61 and Sura 60 Verse 13). 8. "Never be a helper to the disbeliever,"(Sura 28 Verse 26). 9. "Kill the disbeliever wherever you find them,"(Sura 2 Verse 191). 10. "The unbelievers are the worst beasts in the eyes of Allah," (Sura 8 Verse 55). 11. "Jews are apes and swine,"(Sura 2 Verse 65).
And, you're comment here from the other thread is a great point:
"But you cannot fight an ideology directly, because it makes it only more strong and radicated (it's a well documented psychological human reaction). One peaceful way to stop the indoctrination of islam is to expose the astrotheological roots of his doctrine, and let the people indoctrinated by islam decide by themselves. It's harder than with christianity, but not impossible."
While I can acknowledge that, I also strongly feel that censoring discussion critical of Islam is still wrong.
The Zeitgeist Movement only hurts itself and its credibility by denying / censoring critical discussion of Islam. That plays right into the hands of those behind that ridiculous UN Anti-Blasphemy Resolution where the only religion mentioned by name was Islam. Censoring criticism of Islam runs counter to democracy, free speech etc removing the ability to address human rights violations and crimes against humanity. Those moderators at TZGM forum locking threads and banning people for being critical of Islam should be the ones removed from their position as moderators. And TZGM launching personal malicious attacks towards those posting news articles critical of Islam should be ashamed of themselves.
TZGM moderators and members aren't concerned about censoring any critical discussion of "Christianity, America, the US government, the IRS, the US banking system" - only when it comes to Islam do they get all bent out of shape. And I see that as really weird - it leads me to believe that the blogger may be on to something - is TZGM getting high-jacked by Islam/Muslims? It sure seems that way, after all, as the blogger made clear, neither Zeitgeist movie even attempted to address Islam, sharia law or the sharia monetary system in any way shape or form and yet critical discussion on these topics are censored, threads are locked and the posters banned.
Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:24 pm Posts: 4337 Location: 3rd rock from the sun
As you will see, Muslims ARE using the Zeitgeist movie for Islamic advantages:
Terror DVD student jailed for six months
11 December 2009
"A Pakistani student at a Scottish university has been jailed for six months for sending a DVD containing horrific scenes of terrorist atrocities to his neighbours.
Illegal immigrant Bilal Malik, 28, admitted terrifying his neighbours by sending them a DVD with graphic images of terrorist acts.
He posted a shocking DVD that showed the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the Iranian Embassy siege, bloody war scenes from Iraq and Afghanistan, and graphic shots of dead bodies, through the letterbox of a horrified family.
The practising Muslim, a student at Dundee University, hoped that the explosive film downloaded from the internet would "frighten" the unsuspecting couple.
He now faces deportation to his homeland of Pakistan after it was revealed he has been an illegal overstayer in the UK since 2005.
At Arbroath Sheriff Court Malik pleaded guilty to a breach of the peace charge after allegations of "anti-western sentiment" were deleted.
Depute fiscal Hazel Anderson told the court that Malik posted the DVD to a house in Arbroath on September 2 or 3 last year, after his family home had mistakenly received the couple's mail.
He delivered the mail to the right address, and slipped through the letterbox his own parcel, despite not knowing them personally.
The parcel contained the DVD and a message that read: "The post woman made a mistake and you will also because you don't have time to watch this film."
A 29-year-old female occupant found the parcel, opened it, and put the mysterious film into her DVD player. She was "extremely distressed and alarmed" by what she saw and contacted police.
Tayside Police officers found Malik's fingerprints on the handwritten message and after an extensive police search, in conjunction with the Metropolitan Police, eventually traced Malik at his mother's home address in Arbroath this September - almost a year later.
Asked by police about the film - which is called Zeitgeist - he replied: "It is a very convincing film, that Christianity is not true, and is fake."
Defence solicitor Keith Sym said that while his client was a Muslim, he "did not consider himself radicalised."
Sentencing, Sheriff Stein said: "It is clear that there was considerable unfairness to the occupiers of the house and to your mother, who has had to sit through these proceedings. It was your intention to frighten the occupiers of the house and, in that objective, you plainly succeeded."
To put it bluntly, the reason why there is no dissection of the Islamic faith is partly because no one wants to have their head removed by some fanatic of it. Another reason is that Islam depends on Christianity, they probably agree that by allowing Zeitgeist to convince people that JC wasn't actually the Sun of God then it is doing some of the leg work for Islam. Then we have the Islamic Zeitgeist..."The Arrivals". When I watched that I felt my self saying "yes" all the way through it until I realized that over those 50 parts you are slowly being made to feel sympathetic for Muslims and haven't they had such a hard time in the world. Then they try and make it seem that all other religions can all come under the shroud of Islam and live happily ever after in peace with each other. Which is complete and utter tripe, they speak of how peaceful Islam is and that because the literal translation of "Islam" is Submission, they try and spin that to mean submission to the loving god. Which by looking at the world of Islam is not so. It means submitting to the Will of God and Islam is the self declared enforcer of that will.
Every time you mention a mad man that will tie a bomb to himself and kill as many innocents as possible and who does it for Islam and Allah. Muslims will redirect the blame and simply say "oh well then they are not a true Muslim, because the Quran tells us this......". Well I am sorry but they didn't do it because Christianity or Judaism told them to do it. They did it because they are not taught to decipher texts but instead to take it as the exact word of Allah. In essence the Muslims who are on the streets raping, and beating the non believers are in fact actually real Muslims that do exactly what the Quran says to do. The ones who are not doing that, and who go around spreading the love and understanding part are nothing more than the Public Relations side.
Either they take responsibility for creating these monsters and understand that any religious texts are to be interpreted given the environment of the times and not taken from century to century unchanged. People being stoned, hanged, beheaded, mutilated via rights of passage and genital mutilation are things from an archaic past and have no place on the planet no matter what excuse is given for it. Martin Luther King said, the old law of an eye for an eye just leaves to many people blind, and we do have a lot of blind people running around thinking that god is leading the way.
Plus after learning that Muhammad himself hated dogs, I can't stand people that do not like dogs, I just don't trust them one bit. Dogs do not see the ego of a person, they see right into your very being and they are remarkable judges of a person. I think it is more that Dogs didn't like him rather than the other way around...lol.
PS by the way Hi to all at this forum, maybe that should have been my first post ..lol but I have been reading quite a bit here and feel like a part of the place. Still I can be a bit too familiar at times, so I hope to learn as much as I can here, or should I say "unlearn as much as I can"
If we all don't speak up loudly now, these rabid fanatics will enslave us all anyway. I'd rather go down fighting, frankly, for more progeny and especially since as a woman I would be subject to the most evil tyranny imaginable under Islamic domination.
If enough of us chew out these barbarians and hold our ground, they will be routed. These fanatics who are bent on global domination are vicious criminals who are attracted to and created through the cult of Islam's brainwashing techniques. They need to be arrested and quarantined, period.
The average Muslim needs to be gently prodded, cajoled and, if need be, shamed out of his or her sheeplike adherence to this cult, which adores a man as "prophet of God" who, according to the texts, married a six-year-old and began having sex with her at the age of nine. That button needs to be pressed frequently - following a child rapist as if he is righteous and godly is totally unacceptable to sane and civil society.
Indeed, it is an offense to our religion and god - which are common decency and humanity, among other things.
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After looking more in depth at Sharia Law I am more determined than ever to not back down from this fight. Political correctness be damned, that's what got us into this dilemma. All of my family are British and still live there, I live here in the states and while I voice my opinion on the level of corruption that goes on here too, and all the rest that goes with it. I can't help feeling extremely lucky to have both came from a nation and entered a nation where freedom of choice are still held in high regard by the people.
Now Britain is literally on the verge of agreeing to Islamic areas being able to allow Sharia law! The Arch Bishop of Canterbury stood in a church on national TV and basically made a case for it. I couldn't believe it, but then I don't need to tell you A.S about the underhandedness of "The Church".
I am smelling a huge eruption of violence waiting to happen, I just can't think this is anything other than a purposeful attempt to cause massive riots for further political control. London in particular has the largest ratio of CCTV cameras on virtually every main street of any city in the world. Yet these Islamic fundamentalists are causing mayhem with no comeback or little to no convictions. Yet you run a red light and they are at your door the next day.
The more I study the Quran the more I am convinced this flimsy text can only sway the most undereducated of people. It will go from love to hate on the same damn page. There are glimmers of hope though speaking from within Islam and I have to add a couple of videos here. Just in case anyone wants to see what real courage looks like from two women that speak directly from experience of Islam.
These may have been seen before, but I think they warrant seeing again.
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." - Omar M. Ahmad, founder of Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) July 4th, 1998 http://www.danielpipes.org/rr/394.pdf
"I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate. The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, has to be Islam" - Abu Bakr, Muslim Cleric
"Oh, you Muslims everywhere, sever the ties of their nation, tear them apart, ruin their economy, instigate against their corporations, destroy their embassies, attack their interests, sink their ships, and shoot down their airplanes. Kill them in land, at sea, and in the air, kill them wherever you find them." - Sheikh Abdel Rahman from a US prison
"The real weapons of mass destruction are the desire for martyrdom. Millions of you are ready to be shaheed. Half a million martyrdom shaheed is enough for Muslims to control the whole of earth forever. In the end of the day, Islam must control earth, whether we like it or not." - Abu Hamza al-Masri, Islamic Cleric
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians…Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value." - British career welfare recipient Sheikh Omar Bakri
"We must not forget that Allah's rules have to be established in all lands..." - Imam Muzammil H. Siddiqi, Islamic Society of North America
"Ultimately, we (Muslims) can never be full citizens of this country...because there is no way we can be fully committed to the institutions and ideologies of this country" - Ihsan Bagby, CAIR
"The 9/11 hijackers should be honored as martyrs." - Warith Deen Umar, Former Muslim Chaplain, New York Prisons
"Now, all our imams, our public speakers, should be concentrating on militarizing the Muslim public...Only carrying arms will do this task." - Muhammad Al-Asi, Former Imam at the Washington, D.C. Islamic Center
"Americans in general might be more supportive of targeted attacks on civilians, as part of the war on terror, than U.S. Muslims." - Ahmad Al-Akhras, CAIR
"In time, this so-called democracy will crumble, and there will be nothing. And the only thing left will be Islam." - Siraj Wahhaj, Brooklyn, New York Imam
“Muslims cannot accept the legitimacy of the secular system in the United States, for it "is against the orders and ordainments of Allah ... the orientation of the Qur'an pushes us in the exact opposite direction as the forces that are at work in the American political spectrum." - Imam Zaid Shakir, Former Muslim Chaplain at Yale University
"Let us continue the protests. Let us damn America. Let us damn Israel. Let us damn their allies until death. Mohammad is leader. The Qu’ran is our constitution. Jihad is our path. Victory to Islam. Death to Israel. Revolution! Revolution! Until Victory! Rolling, rolling to Jerusalem." - Sami Al Arian
"This religion [Islam] will destroy all other religions through the Islamic Jihad fighters" - Jordanian/Palestinian School Book 1998
"Mosques are our barracks, domes our helmets, minarets our bayonets, believers our soldiers." - Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan
"Islam not a religion of violence, but if you burn Qur'ans or draw Muhammad, we'll kill you" - Gambian President
"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future ... But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education." - Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR Spokesperson
"I want to see the U.S become an Islamic nation.” - Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR Spokesperson
"No we don’t want to democratize Islam, we want to Islamize democracy" "We love you, America – and we want your children for Islam" - Islam on Capitol Hill.com
"It should be us, with our understanding of Islam, our principles, colonizing positively the United States of America." - Tariq Ramadan, Professor of Islamic Studies at Oxford University
"I am a traitor to America because my religion requires me to be. We pledge to wage jihad for the rest of our lives until either we implant Islam all over the world or meet our Lord as bearers of Islam." - Samir Khan
"Once we gain power in Egypt, "we will launch a campaign of Islamic conquest, throughout the world" - Sheikh 'Adel Shehato, Senior official of Egyptian Islamic Jihad
"Greater integration between Islam and the West depends on incorporation of Sharia law into the legal systems of Europe and the U.S." - Ground Zero Mosque Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf
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