Why did you remove your post, ZeitgeistTruth? Here's your post, lets have a look. Yep, just more circular reasoning by Keith, referencing the same sources which have already been debunked throughout this thread.
Refutation of Acharya S’s followers at ‘Feethought Nation’
Regarding ‘Aquarius: The Age of Evil’
By, Keith Thompson
Keith "In my film ‘Aquarius: The Age of Evil’ I refute and expose the Zeitgeist films and movement as being the fulfilment of the documented New Age utopian agenda originating with the Theosophical Society. One of the main sources for the first Zeitgeist film is a new ager named Acharya S and because of her affiliations with the Zeitgeist films, movement and the creator Peter Joseph, I spent some time exposing her New Age occult ties and Aquarian utopian beliefs that have recourse to the Theosophical Society, Freemasonry and occultism.
This film has caused quite a New Age backlash resulting in censorship of my film off of youtube and a wild eyed off the cuff critique from Acharya S’s followers. This “critique” is contained in a forum thread at
http://www.freethoughtnation.com. Because of the fact that Zeitologists and New Agers have pointed people to this thread as a valid response to my film I thought it would be necessary to refute it. The critique is full of misrepresentation, deception by omission, dismissive off the cuff argumentation based on ignorance and numerous general factual errors. The critique was created by a person named “freethinkaluva22.” In this article I will identify this person as “Luva”. Her statements will be in blue. Luva starts off the “critique” with some useless insults and then states:
* Aquarius: The Age of Evil (3/14)
At 5:30:
“[Eric Brame] The main source of Zeitgeist is Acharya S. She advocates a one-world system under the Age of Aquarius. This is very interesting as the main source that this traces back to is Alice Bailey (Theosophist). You can trace this to one book in particular called The Externalisation of the Hierarchy which advocates this extensively and even openly admits this in the first few pages of that volume.”
FTL "These are complete and utter lies. Acharya has NEVER advocated "a one-world system under the Age of Aquarius" - whatever that means. Acharya S has never read Alice Bailey, nor has Acharya cited Bailey in any of her works. Acharya S has never advocated for ANY type of a "one-world system," be it the NWO, Communism/Socialism/Fascism etc - this is clear defamation, smears and libel that are textbook examples which would hold up in a court of law. So, demand the sources to substantiate these claims from Keith TRASH and this other little liar for the Lord, Eric Brame, and watch these lies fall apart one by one."
Keith "It is interesting that Eric Brame’s statement was called into question because the proof offered in the film to substantiate the fact that Acharya S promotes an Aquarian one world system and New Age belief that finds its origin in early Theosophical literature, including Alice Bailey’s writings, is already plainly laid out for all to see. At 3:26 of part (5/14) in the youtube version of the film I quote Acharya S promoting an Aquarian one world New Age concept. In her book The Christ Conspiracy, Acharya S states:
"But the future is now and the manoeuvres are being unveiled. As far as Christianity's role in this new age Carpenter states: "Christianity therefore as I say must either now come frankly forward and acknowledge it's parentage from the great order of the past, seek to rehabilitate that and carry mankind one step forward in the path of evolution - or else it must perish, there is no alternative." Despite the vilification of the so-called New Age movement, the fact is that we are entering into a new age... The age referred to in the gospel tale is that of Pisces, and, through contrivance and duplicity, coercion and slaughter, the fish-god "Jesus," the Piscean Solar Avatar, has indeed been with us, but now it is the close of the age, and his time is over... As Hancock says, "We live today in an astrological no man's land at the end of the 'Age of Pisces,' on the threshold of the 'New Age' of Aquarius. Traditionally these times of transition between one age and the next have been regarded as ill-omened." Ill-Omened verily as the ongoing destruction of the earth and the endless warfare over ideology will indeed produce the 'Armageddon" so long awaited and planned by those who cannot live for today but must look towards an afterlife. By realizing the cultural unity revealed behind the Christ conspiracy, however, humanity can pull together and prevent this fall, to create a better world."(1)
Keith "From these statements we see that Acharya S believes we are approaching the New Age of Aquarius. She says that it is a FACT that we are entering this Age and that if only humanity would come to realize the cultural unity surrounding the “Christ Conspiracy” (i.e., that Jesus is a conspiracy based on astrology) humanity could come together in this New Age and prevent a fall by creating a better world together. This belief that humanity will come together for the New Age of Aquarius was a belief promoted by the founders of the modern New Age movement – the Theosophical Society. In the film Eric Brame mentioned the fact that Alice Bailey is the main source (the source that hammered this concept the strongest) that this ideology comes from and we can list many others like Annie Besant, Helena Blavatsky, N Sri Ram, Rudolf Steiner etc. These were early Theosophists and the Theosophical Society was founded by Helena Blavatsky. Acharya S cites Helena Blavatsky’s and Rudolf Steiner’s books quite frequently in The Christ Conspiracy(2), so when Luva asserts that Acharya has never cited Alice Bailey – it is a meaningless objection in light of the fact that Acharya cites other Theosophists who all similarly advocate the Aquarian New Age uniting of mankind – the same thing Acharya calls for.
To re-iterate the points: Eric Brame is not incorrect in asserting that Acharya advocates an Aquarian world system because in her book she does just that. She advocates the New Age of Aquarius as well as humanity “pulling together” to create a better world in light of the cultural unity behind the “Christ Conspiracy.” This kind of New Age utopian sentiment is echoed in Annie Besant’s writings as well – former president of the New Age Theosophical society. I quote her in the film as saying:
" … the equinox will reach the sign of Aquarius, and, coinciding the great Cycle of influence, we can indeed hope to put a complete end to all the influence of the past Cycle, with its tyranny, slavery, war and cruelty ...” “This is one of the great transitional Epochs, and the karma before humanity as a whole, and to every group in particular, is to reform itself from slavery, female subjection, war and cruelty and establish a civilization based on humane-ness and interest in spiritual matters."(3)
Keith "This language is also present prominently in the book “The Externalization of the Heirarchy” by the Theosophist Alice Bailey as Eric Brame correctly noted. Bailey notes that: “The new era is coming [Age of Aquarius]; the new ideals, the new civilization, the new modes of life, of education, of religious presentation and of government are slowly precipitating and nothing can stop them.”(4)
The fact that Acharya S embraces the concept of the “Age of Aquarius” says a lot in and of itself. It has long been held that the New Age of Aquarius will produce a one world utopian system and this is common belief amongst New Agers. In the film Aquarius: The Age of Evil I demonstrate this in many ways – for example I quote New Age author Gail Fairfield stating:
"The sign of Aquarius is the Sign of focused concepts. It concentrates intently on developing its ideas and then applies them to the betterment of humankind. It has talent for rapidly correlating all the information available into a political, ethical, spiritual, technological system. Aquarius creates optimal futures for individuals and for humanity because it needs alternatives, possibilities, and something to move toward … Over all Aquarius is a reformer and visionary, working to create its utopia."(5)
These statements are clear and they stand on their own. We know where the beliefs of Acharya and other New Agers come from, the Theosophical Society, Freemasonry and other occult groups . Acharya even cites them in her books so it is no shock to discover that she was influenced by them with respect to her New Age of Aquarius utopian beliefs. Luva shows her ignorance on these issues while also throwing out insults to make herself appear authoritative but all that is is a smokescreen for her lack of argumentation and evidence. Luva demonstrates that she can not deal with these issues at all.
Acharya wishes to see humanity create a “better world” for the New Age of Aquarius in light of the supposed unity revealed by the Christ conspiracy; however, this is what Alice Bailey, the prominent Theosophist, wanted to see as well, just as Eric Brame asserted:
"The evil and the misery will pass but happiness will remain; above everything else will come the realisation that what we have so badly built must disappear and that ours is now the opportunity to build a new and better world."(6)
The problem is that elite of the new world order have recourse to the Theosophical Society as well and hold to these Aquarian one world beliefs. If such a world system emerged it would be controlled by people who, if they misused their power, would do things that would be disastrous for humanity and freedom. The fact that the elite believe in these concepts is documented in my film.
Next Luva asserts:
"This attempt to connect Acharya with the theosophists Keith tries to broadly paint as evil is blatant guilt by association and smears. Just look at the giant leaps of faith Keith has to make to get there. It's Keith's deranged witch hunt. Thing is, Keith still doesn't really know what theosophy even means:
Theosophy: 1. "any of various forms of philosophical or religious thought based on a mystical insight into the divine nature."
So, a theosophist could be anyone discussing religious concepts. That would include Keith himself and the rest of his cult. Keith is clearly not interested in any "Truth." He is only interested in shoring up his faith at all costs - even if it means maliciously attacking living, breathing people because they disagree with his extremist religious ideology.
Keith "No attempt has to be made to connect Acharya to early members of the New Age Theosophical society. She does that herself by promoting their Aquarian New Age beliefs and quoting their members as authoritative sources.
As for Luva defining Theosophy: it should be quite clear that when we say Acharya promotes Theosophical views we are speaking of the views of Blavatsky’s Theosophical Society as opposed to anyone who “discusses religious concepts.” The funny thing is that Luva cites disctionary.reference.com(7) to define theosophy as something other than the views of Blavatsky’s Theosophical Society. However, that same source gives an alternate definition defining theosophy as the views of Blavatsky’s Theosphical Society - the very thing Luva doesn’t want theosophy to mean! Luva omitted that from the source to deceive her audience!:
Theosophy: 1. any of various forms of philosophical or religious thought based on a mystical insight into the divine nature.
2. (often initial capital letters ) the system of belief and practice of the Theosophical Society.(8)
Next Luva states:
* Aquarius: The Age of Evil (5/14)
At 3:30 "Similarly Zeitgeist’s main source Acharya S has advocated the New Age of Aquarius that the elitists, Theosophists and Freemasons await in her 1999 work The Christ Conspiracy:..."
Keith cites, 53.) Christ Conspiracy, pages 416, 417. Keith repeats the same quote that he was proven to have taken out of context and then manipulate in order to make his twisted argument, as explained in this video below from May of '08' ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTYrpOTBpgQKeith "Luva fails to address Acharya’s full quotation but merely cites some New Age youtube video that tries to say I was wrong in the past for asserting that, in the same statement cited, Acharya is promoting genocide when quoting Edward Carpenter saying:
“As Carpenter states: "Christianity therefore as I say must either now come frankly forward and acknowledge it's parentage from the great order of the past, seek to rehabilitate that and carry mankind one step forward in the path of evolution - or else it must perish, there is no alternative." Despite the vilification of the so-called New Age movement, the fact is that we are entering into a new age... The age referred to in the gospel tale is that of Pisces, and, through contrivance and duplicity, coercion and slaughter, the fish-god "Jesus," the Piscean Solar Avatar, has indeed been with us, but now it is the close of the age, and his time is over... As Hancock says, "We live today in an astrological no man's land at the end of the 'Age of Pisces,' on the threshold of the 'New Age' of Aquarius. Traditionally these times of transition between one age and the next have been regarded as ill-omened." Ill-Omened verily as the ongoing destruction of the earth and the endless warfare over ideology will indeed produce the 'Armageddon" so long awaited and planned by those who cannot live for today but must look towards an afterlife. By realizing the cultural unity revealed behind the Christ conspiracy, however, humanity can pull together and prevent this fall, to create a better world.”(9)
Keith "However, the reason I utilized this full quote in ‘Aquarius: The Age of Evil’ was to highlight the New Age Aquarian utopian connotations present – not the genocidal aspects per se, although that is still important and should be picked up by anyone who knows how to read. Therefore, since Luva fails to address the quote in respect to its New Age Aquarian utopian connotations and that ideologies associated with the Theosophical Society, she fails to refute what the film argues.
Next Luva states:
* Aquarius: The Age of Evil (10/14)
At 8:11 "Zeitgeist’s main source Acharya S promoted the founder of Communism, Karl Marx, on her website ... She quotes Karl Marx defaming religion, thus showing her support of Marx and communism."
FTL "Another total and utter lie. Don't ya just love how he makes these giant leaps of faith? When did we step backwards in time into the McCarthy era during the 50's? That was an embarrassing time in America's history when Senator Joseph McCarthy painted everyone he didn't like as a Commy (Soviet Union communist as well as atheists) after WW2, kicking off the cold war. Keith seems to have an affinity for the Dark Ages and McCarthyism, the most embarrassing times in our history. Could you set your goals any lower Keith? Keith simply adds theosophists to McCarthy's list of people to target.
I think she once quoted Marx's VERY FAMOUS saying, "Religion ... is the opium of the masses" on her site many years ago. That's hardly "promoting" Marx - Keith Trash is an absolute imbecile. He knows nothing about Acharya but has been flailing around trying to impugn her character with whatever he can pull out of his arse ever since the Zeitgeist movie came out in 07. He's obviously grasping for straws in order to paint everyone who doesn't agree with his extremist religious ideology as evil. Keith and his cult buddies go around the net maliciously smearing, libeling, defaming whoever they chose and they are never held accountable or held responsible for any of it. My Spider-Man senses tell me that Keith, Chris White and their cult would love a new, modern day Inquisition to rid the world of non-believers. There is good reason we refer to that time in our history as the DARK AGES. Decent Christians are ashamed of Keith's cult and their trash
Nowhere in any of her books does Acharya hold Karl Marx in high esteem - or in any esteem. She despises Communism and has never even read any Karl Marx, other than that one quote."
Keith "I don’t see how Luva can say it is a lie to say that Acharya promotes Karl Marx when I provide pictorial evidence demonstrating that she quoted Marx on her old website defaming religion in agreement with her anti-religious world view. If someone is opposed to Karl Marx and communism they are not going to quote him with approval to support their anti-religious world view.
Luva asserts that Acharya has never read Marx except for the one quote that was on her old website which states, “Religion … is the opium of the masses.” Luva would like you to believe that this is the only time that Acharya has promoted Marx by quoting him but that is not true. Even on her modern website Acharya quotes Marx a second time saying:
“Christianity sprang out of Judaism. It has again withdrawn into Judaism. The Christian from the outset was the theorizing Jew; the Jew is therefore the practical Christian and the practical Christian has become a Jew. Christianity has only seemed to overcome real Judaism ...Christianity is the sublime idea of Judaism. Judaism is the common application of Christianity.” Karl Marx, a Jew and "clear and lucid Talmudist" "On the Jewish Question," Selected Essays(10)
Therefore, Luva is incorrect when saying Acharya has never read Marx except for the one quote. Acharya is quite fond of quoting the founder of communism which is not surprising since Zeitgeist promotes a communist world system and Acharya promotes Zeitgeist. Luva’s research abilities have been shown to be shoddy. Moreover, Senator Joseph McCarthy may have criticized communism and accused people of being communists but I am criticizing communism for a different reason – that being the fact that elites, Theosophists and New Agers have openly stated that they want a communist one world system. See the film for citations. Therefore, when Luva brings up McCarthy is nothing more than a genetic fallacy that ignores the real reasons as to why communism was addressed in the film to begin with.
Luva asserts:
In fact, Acharya stands strong in support of the American Constitution:
"No, I would not advocate for the abolition of the American Constitution at all. In fact, I have an entire book that ends with essays asserting that the U.S. Constitution is a sacred text which must be upheld.
If you are an American citizen, Dan, and are calling for the abolition of the U.S. Constitution, you could be deemed a traitor.
You are certainly stomping on my holy text."
- Acharya
viewtopic.php?p=19894#p19894
Read this blog by Acharya from March 29, 2006: A Truly Sacred Scripture
Anyone care about the Constitution? Why?
Keith "As far as Luva claiming that Acharya cherishes the US constitution in her past work… that is irrelevant in light of the fact that Acharya has openly embraced Peter Joseph and the Zeitgeist movement – a movement that proposes a one world system, which if carried out, would dismantle the U.S. Constitution. Creator of Zeitgeist, Peter Joseph states:
“Government and the concept of the state will eventually be outgrown entirely and replaced by an objective system of global resource management and technological organization.”(11)
If you abolish the U.S. government and the state, the constitution, that is dependant on the U.S. Government existing, would be abolished as well. Therefore, if Acharya is opposed to the abolition of the U.S. Constitution then you would expect her rebuke the Zeitgeist movement and Venus Project, however she doesn’t, she supports it!
I emailed this last section to Dr. Noel Swerdlow :
* Aquarius: The Age of Evil (13/14)
At 5:37 "Zeitgeist’s main source, Acharya S, claims that Jesus talks about the Age of Pisces in Matthew 28:20 which states:
“ … and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." -Matthew 28:20.(137) (138)
However, although the Zodiac was around in first century Palestine, the Age concept was not around yet; so the Biblical writers could not have been referencing the Astrological Age. Dr. Noel Swerdlow Professor of Astronomy and Astrophysics at the University of Chicago states:..."
Keith and Dr. Swerdlow are easily proven wrong with primary source evidence. Hipparchus discusses the precession of the equinoxes and, there's a mountain of evidence long before Hipparchus that the ancients were well aware. Read the "Astrotheology of the Ancients" chapter in Suns of God for more on this issue. Concerning the age of the discovery of the precession of the equinoxes, in his book In Search of Ancient Astronomies, astronomer and director of Los Angeles's Griffith Observatory Dr. Edwin Krupp states:
"The earliest known direct reference to precession is that of the Greek astronomer Hipparchus (2nd century BCE), who is credited with discovering it. Adjustments of the Egyptian temple alignments, pointed out by Sir Norman Lockyer, may well indicate a much earlier sensitivity to this phenomenon, however."
Again, Krupp says:
"Circumstantial evidence implies that the awareness of the shifting equinoxes may be of considerable antiquity, for we find, in Egypt at least, a succession of cults whose iconography and interest focus on duality, the bull, and the ram at appropriate periods for Gemini, Taurus, and Aries in the precessional cycle of the equinoxes."
- Suns of God, page 40
Here's an excerpt, Astrotheology of the Ancients
National Geographic's "Ancient Astronomers"
Hipparchus's understanding of the precession by David Ulansey in which he points out Dr. Swerdlow's errors.
The evidence is on Acharya's side, and Keith knows it. So he creates these videos to smear, defame, harass and ridicule her into submission, like a good bully for the Lord pushing his extremist form of the Christian ideology.
Dr. Swerdlow responded via email stating:
Keith,
“I fear there is no way of convincing these people that they are incorrect since they don't really understand what they are writing. Of course the precession was known to Hipparchus—how many other people took it seriously before Ptolemy is not known since there are no earlier references to it—but to know the precession is not to attribute any astrological significance to which group of stars the equinoxes and solstices are located in. This plays no role in ancient astrology, medieval astrology, Renaissance astrology, or anything else before the last century, if that. There was some concern in the study of ancient chronology in the seventeenth century with the locations of the equinoxes in zodiacal constellations, but it was not astrological, it was a purely historical study concerned with the distance of various stars from the equinoxes by which it was believed that precise dates could be assigned to things like the Voyage of the Argonauts and the Trojan War. It did not work as it was built on too many unverifiable assumptions and the events were mythical anyway. The short answer is still that this 'age' stuff in modern astrology is entirely modern, twentieth century as far as I know.”(12)
Noel
So to reiterate the truth: the first century Gospel writers were not referencing the astrological Age of Pisces in Matthew 28:20 as this concept was not even around yet! Rather they were referencing the Jewish age concept known as "ha-olam ha-zeh, and the “age to come”, “ha-olam ha-ba" which have nothing to do with astrology. Luva did not address this fact in her response.
The remainder of Luva’s “critique” is all useless insults. When you take away the insults from this “critique” there is not much left to respond to. I hope Acharya’s camp can learn to do real research as opposed to producing these wild eyed off the cuff responses to people who refute Acharya S and Zeitgeist.
Jesus is Lord
Footnotes:
1.) Acharya S, The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold, [Adventures Unlimited Press, 1999], p. 416,417
2.) Acharya S cites Blavatsky numerous times in her book The Christ Conspiracy. For example pp. 103, 103, 125, 126, 295, 355 etc. She also cites prominent Theosophist Rudolf Steiner numerous times. For example pps. 30, 48 etc.
3.) Annie Wood Besant, Lucifer Theosophist Magazine April 1925-June 1925, [Kessinger Publishing, 2003], p. 56, 57
4.) Alice Bailey, The Externalization of the Hierarchy, [Published by Lucis Pub. Co., 1957], p. 278 parenthesis mine
5.) Gail Fairfield, Choice Centered Astrology: The Basics, [Weiser, 1998], p. 157
6.) Alice A. Bail, The Unfinished Autobiography (New York: Lucis Publishing Company, 1987), p. 11
7.)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theosophy8.) Ibd.
9.) Acharya S, The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold, [Adventures Unlimited Press, 1999], p. 416,417
10.)
http://www.truthbeknown.com/christianquotes.htm11.) Zeitgeist Orientation Presentation, 1:09:47
12.) Email correspondence with Dr. Noel Swerdlow
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Strangest thing is that he had his subscribers fund him and now he is trying to milk the cash cow all it's worth by selling the movie back even though it's free for $25.