Freethought Nation

Ug, Gamesheriff again, eh. Yep, definitely hilarious. Saying that Isis being the wife of Osiris means they sexually produced Horus? I'm glad you called him on that, because I get tired of hearing that excuse. As you said, the Bible says Mary was Joseph's wife, many early sects of christianity had no doctrine of a virgin birth, the "Pauline" epistles have no doctrine of virgin birth, even the gospels admit that the people in Jesus's own lifetime didn't buy into the virgin birth idea, the authors of Mark and John clearly didn't believe it, Marcion's original proto-Lukan gospel had no virgin birth, and there are even sects of christianity today who believe that Jesus was produced via sex. The Latter-Day Saints believe jehovah had sex with Mary to conceive Jesus. There's medieval artwork that shows jehovah blowing his jizz through a tube stuck into Mary's cooch. There was also the medieval belief that Gabriel acted as the surrogate father for jehovah, i.e., they believed Gabriel had sex with Mary to conceive Jesus. And this belief can be traced all the way back to the Epistle of the Apostles, in which Jesus himself says he was the one who took on the form of Gabriel and "entered into her body".

No doubt christians will argue that none of this is canon or orthodox, no true scotsman, blah, blah, blah.
But the point is, there DO exist OTHER versions of the conception of Jesus which DO involve sexual intercourse.
But that does not rule out the fact that there still existed a version in which he was virgin born.
Same with Horus.
Plutarch's version involves sex, the pyramid texts speak of copulation and semen, nevertheless, that does not rule out the fact that the temple of Seti explicitly says that Isis is the great virgin.

Anyway, it's tempting to go over there and mess with the punk, but just seeing how many posts you had to exchange with him and yet he still remains obstinate just makes me think it's not worth it. I'm burned out on trolls right now. Maybe when I finish my next videos I can resume form.

I am NOT going to look for your evidence for you, find it yourself and bring it here if you have it, but bring in in its complete form otherwise don't bother, because they're invalid, they're invalid in a court room and they're invalid here.

But hey, if you wanna know why I'm picking on you, I'll tell you; there are two reasons; first one is because it's fun and normally that would be enough, but there's a second reason: I HATE people like you, you traitorous, hypocritical pseudo-intellectual little libbie shits, always taking cheap-shots at the West, all the while claiming you're unbiased, and you're just exercicing 'critical thought'. I wish you'd all get cancer and die.

No, you're not against religion, you're against a religion: christianity. And save your breath trying to trick into believing that despite the fact that you have not ever said a word about any other religion beside christianity, you're not anti-cHristian. I'll believe that when I see Hochmeister Joseph attacking Islam with the same fervor and passion he attacked Christianity, I don't even care if he makes up shit like he did when he attacked Christianity, as long as he does it.

Me - Also Joseph attacking Christianity? WTF?! He did not attack Christianity you idiot, he only said "hey look, Jesus has some similarities between these other Pagan god's. Hey here is a reason why that might be. Hey here is my conclusion that the Jesus of the Gospels never existed," to say that is attacking Christianity you might as well say that Textual Biblical Criticism is an attack on Christianity, or that evolution is an attack on Christianity. It makes no sense.

GameSheriff - One problem, He didn't, all that shit was made up by him and his accomplices, namely that miserable excuse for a scholar, Acharya S.

For God's sake, where did he even learn ancient History and Myth? Playing Age of Mythology?

Me - Behold, the power of the red herring! Let's just grant you that he did make it up for one second, what does that have to do with saying that "hey here are some similarities Jesus has with some other god's, hey here is a reason why this might be and here is my conclusions," should at all be considered an attack on Christianity?

GameSheriff - Ah... the fact that such similarities do not exist? The fact that he made them up? For a wannabe-intellectual, you sure are thick.

Me - Again what does that have to do with anything? You are instituting a red herring, in order to distract anyone who reads and including me into a completely unrelated subject, answer the fucking question already! What does pointing out similarities between other god's have to do with an attack on Christianity?

GameSheriff - THE FACT THAT SUCH SIMILARITIES DO NOT EXIST! Are you daft, man?

Me - I granted you for the sake of argument that you are right... what does that have to do with it being an attack on Christianity. You answer the question or I drop this pointless fucking question.

GameSheriff - Not opinion, fact. The films are garbage, they're full of lies, half-truths and disinformation. He attacked Christianity by attempting to difame it with lies, now that I've spelled it out for you, do you understand?

Me - Again your not even trying to disprove my point, you are just repeating yourself. You might as well copy and past your own argument. His entire position for doing the film in the first place was to put the information out there. He has admitted this and has said that anyone claiming that he is attacking Christianity is literally projecting into the film.

GameSheriff - Again, the problem it's not information, it's disinformation, THEY ARE LIES, made to difame Christianity, you're having a hard time getting that past your thick libbie skull aren't you?

Let me spell it to you: he is attempting to difame and discredit the religion by spreading false information and lies about it, he is attacking it. I don't see how I can make this anymore clearer.

Me - Provide a statement that contradicts what he says the reason for putting the information out there or SHUT THE f**k UP! I am tired of your fucking games, you repeated incantations to make things true and your dodging and your fucking strawman's. Either address what I say and stop projecting or SHUT THE f**k UP!!!

GameSheriff - Who cares if he contradicted himself? The information he gave in his movies was FALSE, it was difamation, that's all that matters.

And is that really you're excuse for him? That he didn't mean to say? That he's an idiot, and is unbelievably incompetent. Because those are the only possibilites, and in both of them, he loses.

GameSheriff - Right, it's come down to this... right, I'll give one example of one half-truth, and a lie: first the half-truth, he says Horus was born on the 25th of December, well yes, he is, and according to Mythology he is also born (when the Sun rises) and dies (when the Sun goes down) every other day of the year, making the comparison rather irrelevant, of course he neglects to mention that part.

Me - So your doing the "differences outweigh any similarity argument?" Just to let you know, yes he dies and is reborn again everyday... however the very point of comparative mythology is to point to the earliest record of celebration. This is talking about when was the birth of Horus celebrated through tradition? It was December 25th, and what does Plutarch tell us? This exact same thing... also do you understand typology?

GameSheriff - Can you tell me where it says born of a virgin? Again, can't be connected to Cultgeist or Acharya S.

Me - So what is your requirement? Do I have to show a text that says "Horus born of a virgin" or "Krishna born of a Virgin?" If so then you are setting up a completely irrational standard for evidence that nobody can even answer period.

GameSheriff - Yes, you do. Or that they had an immaculate conception. The burden of proof is on you, my friend, and you better have some pretty convincing evidence, if you're gonna go up against the entire Scholars' community.

Me - So are you saying I need to find a text that says "Horus born of a virgin" or "Krishna born of a virgin?" If that is the case then you are being dishonest, setting an absolutely impossible standard that can be met and I would no reason whatsoever to entertain your bullshit standard that even an historian would say is full of shit.

Except Osiris and Isis had a son, Anubis. And the Bible makes of saying Jesus's conception was immaculate. I could accept that Isis and Osiris never had sex either, if they didn't A) have a son and B) the fact there's nothing even remotely hinting to the fact that they DIDN'T consummate their marriage.

No, no, no, no... that won't do at all. I need links that prove it, not just out of context quotes. By the way, that E.A. Wallis Budge thing seems to be just an opinion he just says they identify with the virgin and the saviour, doesn't say why.

I mean come on, man... you're the one who's bitterly obsessed with these ancient tales, combing over them day and night trying desperately to find any similarity to Christianity, so you can make a video discrediting it. Haven't you made your own research into the original texts and whatnot? Come now...

Why could it be viewed as an analogue. Quotes from famous saying things like that won't do, you need to say WHY.

Could I get some sources with that? Like the Great Virgin, never heard that one before. Also 'Mother of God'? Considering the Egyptian pantheon consisted of SEVERAL Gods, that seems like an irrelevant title. I smell bullshit.

Again, The Great Virgin? I never heard that one, could I get some actual sources with that?

You know, Voice of Treason, I think at this point, you're just making stuff up trying to take me for a ride. Poor boy, you still haven't got it have you?

And you expect me to just take your word for it, without even confirming it for myself. Ah, you truly are an idiot.

I'll repeat it one more time, the links ARE DEAD. If I'm doing something wrong here and that's why I can't access them, I find it weird that you can't even be bothered to explain me how to access them properly. Unless of course, they're fulla crap.

You actually expect me to read an entire book just for this? Geez, I'm not that spiteful. Ordinarily I'd expect to just give me the whole part concerning the matter we're discussing not the entire goddamn book.

And how much do you wanna bet that if those authors actually exist, and I run a background check, I'm gonna find that half of them have connections with Anti-Christian and New Age groups?

I don't recall dealing with Game myself per se, though I may have, but I have definitely seen him trolling around on youtube, on like Chelev's and your videos and others. He clearly didn't make much of an impression though as I evidently never thought enough of him to reply to him. At least, not at length.

And what a fucking hypocrite. First, he demands that you post your evidence in full, and not in quotations, and then at the end there he bitches because he'd have to read an entire book! Fucking idiot, THAT'S WHAT YOU ASKED FOR!!!

A mirror image of Holding? Well, when presented with irrefutable evidence, either don't acknowledge it or claim it isn't good enough. Yep, I'd say he fits the bill.

I mean, the guy was SO transparent when he claimed those links didn't work. We all know you can't cut n paste a link posted in a youtube comment(youtube embeds something into them so that they won't work). You have type in in yourself, and it will work just fine. And he knows that. But he's using it as an excuse to not have to see his own defeat. Or maybe he has seen it, and just needs an excuse to not acknowledge it.

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."
— Albert Einstein