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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:50 pm 
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Good stuff!! Thanks!


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:31 pm 
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I just posted the chronology timeline on another forum and received this reply:

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Just proved my point. How can anyone take this to be a valid source when it clearly does not take into account ethnological revolutions that took place in the 6th century. It had nothing to do with Christians. It had everything to do with the massive migration of Slavs and Bulgars into the lower Balkan religion, absorbing most of both the Christian and Gentile Hellenes. Ironically enough, it was the Christian Hellenes that spread Christianity to these new settlements.


Any help with refuting this, please? Or does it connect to the timeline somehow?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:15 am 
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Okay this is the next reply to the timeline I got from the same guy... Help with this one as well??

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Okay, I can tell right off the bat that the source is full of it. The 3 theses it presents pretty much set the example for the entire article.

Thesis 1: The New Testament canon was not even ratified until the year 398 at the Council of Carthage so how can it have apocrypha? What became New Testament apocrypha after the 398 though, such as the Acts of Pilate, the Epistle of Barnabas, the Didache etc. were authored a lot earlier than the Council of Nicea, I can tell you that.

Thesis 2: Arius was a Christian. He was an antitrinitarian who taugh the doctrine that the Son was inferior to the Father which thus created Arianism. He was deemed a heretic at the First Council of Nicea. The Council of Chalcedon dealed largely with this issue, as some Christians had still adopted Arianism after the Council of Nicea.

Thesis 3: Constantine the Great commissioned Eusebius of Caesarea to compile the New Testament canon but this was not until 331. And it was not until even later (393-397) that the New Testament canon was compiled by the efforts of many Church Fathers, long after the death of Constantine the Great.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:12 am 
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Do you have a link for where this debate is going on so I can see a bit more of their arguments? Red herring fallacies like "migration of Slavs and Bulgars" or "ethnological revolutions" are simply distractions from the issue at hand. the edicts existed. The facts remains that these edicts existed and no amount of revisionism can change it now. It's all well documented.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:15 am 
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That's pretty much the extent of the argument right there, but here is the link.
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http://vigilantcitizen.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8389

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:24 am 
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From where I stand, "ReCURe" isn't even on topic. He/she is just going off in tangents, i.e. distraction fallacies, to avoid the actual issues at hand. Ask ReCURe straight up, "Are you trying to claim the Edicts didn't exist?"

It's all very well documented by Christians themselves because they were so proud of their accomplishments in the utter destruction of the Pagan world.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:33 am 
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I beleive he is trying to say "the text were not official yet so how could they have been used to murder people"? But yeah, I understand what you are saying. Thanks for checking that out.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:45 am 
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I think he got the "thesis'" from posting the opposite of what is on this link LOL check it out... http://www.mountainman.com.au/essenes/

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:47 am 
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I notice they have a thread on Zeitgeist.
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http://vigilantcitizen.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=7067&start=0

Please copy/paste this post over there:

The first post sounds like it comes from followers from the keith trash/chris white CULT which are addressed here

Keith "Truth" is a useful idiot
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2622&start=0

The anti-ZG1 sources have all been addressed:

viewforum.php?f=19

J.P. Holding, his articles and his sources
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=3506

Jesus, Horus and KingDavid8.com
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=3206

zeitgeist challenge
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1149&p=12451#p12451

Everything you need to defend Zeitgeist part 1 and substantiate the claims are here at this forum.

Zeitgeist Part 1 & the Supportive Evidence
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2997

The New Zeitgeist Part 1 Sourcebook (August 2010)
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/z ... cebook.pdf

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For more:

The Mythicist Position - video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKW9sbJ3v2w

What is a Mythicist?
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/mythicist.html

The History of Mythicism
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/mythicism.html

For further explanation see, The Evemerist vs. Mythicist Position
http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/vie ... php?t=2160

Astrotheology of the Ancients
http://stellarhousepublishing.com/astrotheology.html

The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/o ... ianity.pdf

Jesus as the Sun throughout History
http://stellarhousepublishing.com/jesussunexcerpt.html

The Gospels: A 2nd Century Composition
http://stellarhousepublishing.com/gospel-dates.html

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:03 am 
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Alright will do. Hopefully he/the other posters will take the time to read the links.

And yeah you would be amazed at some of the ignorance over there! That's why I was estatic to find this forum :D

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:40 pm 
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Hey Freethinkin', the guy's reply to what you had me cut and paste about Zeigeist was him laughing because he said the OP he came up with on his own, and then continued to laugh because he had made another post on it or something...

The guy is not a researcher, hes a fundaMENTAList christian who has no intention on finding the truth in anything because he is a "christian and already has the truth".

I've about given up debating him.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:35 am 
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You are probably better off not trying to debate them - one should not waste time attempting to debate pathological liars for the Lord - one simply cannot debate people who refuse to be honest. It should come as no surprise that they refuse to even read the links provided let alone read the books on this subject.

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Daciple "Keith Trash Chris White LOLOLOLOL never heard of them"

LMAO! That's a good one considering most of what he's posted are precisely the same sources including some of the videos, which have thoroughly been exposed and debunked in this thread almost a year prior to the posting of his thread. For sake of argument lets assume he's right & it all came from him - the fact remains that it has all been exposed and debunked in the following thread nearly a year previously: Keith "Truth" is a useful idiot

From the original post over there:
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Daciple "We have also shown extensively how UN RELATED the whole False Idealistic of Jesus as another False Pagan Sun God or Christianity as being derived from another False Pagan Religion as portrayed and summed up in the beautifully terrible and completely Satanic movie The Zeitgeist, is from the Truth of the matter and the Facts surrounding these supposed links. "

They have obviously failed in their task attempting to debunk ZG1 - even Christian New Testament scholars disagree with them:

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"...Christian scholars over the centuries have admitted that ... "there are parallels between the Mysteries and Christianity"1 and that "the miracle stories of the Gospels do in fact parallel literary forms found in pagan and Jewish miracle stories,"2 "...According to Form Criticism the Gospels are more like folklore and myth than historical fact."3

1. Metzger, HLS, 8.

2. Meier, II, 536.

3. Geisler, CA, 320.

- Who Was Jesus? (WWJ) page 259

It doesn't look to me like what they consider a "thorough" investigation is the same as what I would consider thorough at all - more like selective biases and one-sidedness. They are out to shore up their Christian faith at all costs - even if they have to lie, cheat, deceive, manipulate, smear &/or libel real living breathing human beings because they don't rigidly adhere to their religious dogma and doctrine.

As I said, the anti-Zeitgeist part 1 sources, blogs, articles & videos have been addressed throughout this forum section entitled Zeitgeist Part 1 & the Supportive Evidence

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:56 am 
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Man you guys are great over here. I humble in your knowledge of all things debunking Christianity :D

But you are right, there is no point in wasting my time debating him, when the links are there for everyone to read.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:35 am 
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Here's a debate that I had with a young earth creationist about how Genesis does not work out to being literal in any way, shape, or form. It went on for 40 freaking pages before the admin finally locked the thread, at which point I posted a link to a continuation of the argument on a new thread which kept the debate going until he finally stopped posting: http://www.booktalk.org/young-earth-the ... t8061.html

It is a waste of time with these people for the most part, but I just felt like making a demonstration of what happens to a young earth creationist when they've been worked over ever which way with their feet held down to the fire the entire time. They start slipping up and contradicting themselves quite a bit and before long they've been exposed for the ignorant lot that they are in reality. It's important to understand what they do believe before getting into what they do not believe. And so when Stahrwe tried to object to the Christ myth theory it was rather apparent that his opinion amounts to all of jack squat in the end because he's in no position to make a rational decision one way or the other.

You might want to go back and say, "Ok, so you don't believe any of this. But could you at least tell me what you do believe? When was the world created and by who or what? What is the real history of Christianity from past to present in a brief outline?"

Then see what sort of nonsense comes back.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:54 am 
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Hello everyone.

I think this video has not yet been posted here.

A good video about the genocide of native americans in canada : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4037343133

When I see all that the church has over the centuries, I come to think that it could be called "cultural cleansing".

Nice collection of information, congratulations friends.


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