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it seems to me there are some main towers of deception that can be considered "cornerstones" of deception.

1.) the great banking deception whereby people are financially enslaved

2.) the great literalist religion deception whereby people are spiritually enslaved

then throw in government, law and education, societal conformity (peer pressure) etc etc and all the major ingredients for a miserable existence are in place and working. so that a person would wish they had never been born.

but none of these deceptions working from without will work well unless they have a co-deceiver working from within.

humanity is suckered by deception from without because it hasn't recognised deception at work within.

without greed within bankers have a harder time of it, without fear of death within literalism has a harder time of it.

most con-men only succeed because the mark never stops to entertain the possibility that they could be had that easily, by the time they wake up the damage has been done.

a conspiracy between deception without and deception within.

like the old tale of plato's wherein socrates questions the seemingly "wise" and "knowing" rulers only to find under cross-examination that it is all posturing and in fact they are as naked as the proverbial emperor.

as long as we only see deception "out there" it will be insufficient, once we see deception "in here" as well then deception from without loses much of it's power to decieve because it's much harder to con a reformed con-man.

the chief vice of the soul is ignorance. not only ignorance of the enemy without but also of the enemy within.

Well, as I've heard it said-

"Woah, woah, woah"
"Nah, nah, nah"

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The Jesus Mythicist Creed:
The "Jesus Christ" of the New Testament is a fictional composite of characters, real and mythical. A composite of multiple "people" is no one.

The celestial Origins of Religious Belief
ZG Part 1
Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah?

Hi, I’m new here... hopped over from BookTalk

First of all HI Tat!

Second... Hi God Almighty... I’m a big fan!

Third… I am still pursing the forums, I like what I see.

Later

Hello there Frank, your reputation precedes you.

Welcome to FTN!

I'm with GA on this one, it is nice to have you join us here frank. We came over to BT mostly because of Robert posting so many links there. I'm hoping to get Murdocks CiE up for discussion there at some point. You can see by GA's video on the evolution of Osiris to Christ that several key primary sources are cited in the book and just like the virgin mother Isis motif is proven, so too are many of the other parallels between the Egyptian religion and Christianity. I think that BT would make for good exposure of the book.

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The Jesus Mythicist Creed:
The "Jesus Christ" of the New Testament is a fictional composite of characters, real and mythical. A composite of multiple "people" is no one.

The celestial Origins of Religious Belief
ZG Part 1
Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah?

Hi Frank. You probably recall our conversation a couple of years ago where you introduced me to the mythicist argument as presented by Earl Doherty. Before that I had never heard of it, despite reading extensively in philosophy and religion. And then it was Interbane who mentioned Zeitgeist which led to me finding this forum. Tat and I have had some very extended discussions here. It would be great if Acharya S could join a discussion on mythicism at Booktalk, now we have got rid of the pest.

I have a reputation….That’s… AWESOME!

And thanks, it’s nice to be here.



Again, thanks



That would be very cool, I know she would be very welcome over there and I am sure that Chris would love that as well!



I have been looking at the parallels between the older pagan religions and Christianity for a while, including the Egyptian religion… at first I thought the associations were loose… definite but loose. The videos of GodAlmighty have definitely shown me that the parallels are not loose at all, but a blatant copy.


I think this as well… and I know that Chris will be eager to promote the book too.



I’m glad I could be a part of your experience.


That would be very cool… and would be appropriate if BookTalk promotes the new book.

Later

That reminds me, I wanted to do this SOOO bad when I first saw the news, but I wasn't sure how Chris would feel about it, since he's such a diplomat & all. Anyway...

LOL!!!

Welcome Frank......

Thanks

Frank and all, I was actually talking to the admin here about possibly having Murdock come on and let Stahrwe and whoever else ask her questions in the thread I started about Preachers and Priests quietly embracing the Christ Myth. Since he wanted to challenge her to his local church and all I figured I'd bring her to him on the net just to see what he'd do when he had her attention. It was my big "surprise" for Stahrwe. But instead a very different "surprise" took place -the troll was finally banned.

But aside from that I figured that we should start up a discussion of CiE and I emailed Chris about possibly working the book in for the monthly discussion some time. Murdock has agreed to join the discussion if we can start one, which would be cool. I also thought that some of the parallels were loose when I first saw ZG part 1 and started looking closely at mythicist arguments. But the more I checked in to it to the more it seemed to check out. I know this to be true in Roberts case as well because he came into a bit behind me and I was telling him about things that he flat out rejected at first, but after much reading and research began to see for himself.

What struck me about booktalk is that several of you were very knowledgable and well read on the Christ Myth theory and such. It seems that several of you are rogue mythicists out there on the net debating and winning far away from the groups of peers at the mysticist dominant forums. This forum is some what of a mythicist home base, one of many but a home base all the same and it's good to have you stopping by. You and Interbane in particular stand out as what I see as intellectual heavy weights in your discussions @ BT because you understand the full spectrum. Some people have good atheist positions but know next to nothing about mythicism and I think that a mixture of the two makes for much more powerful argumentation.

If we can discuss CiE at booktalk as a feature discussion, chapter by chapter, and checking the sources as we go along with Murdock present for Q&A's as we proceed I think that many more people will start to 'get it' as it were. No matter how sensational some of these parallels sound at first glance they are not invented whole cloth as some would want to assert. And a good solid delve into the scholarship behind these claims is and has been well in order for some time now...

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The Jesus Mythicist Creed:
The "Jesus Christ" of the New Testament is a fictional composite of characters, real and mythical. A composite of multiple "people" is no one.

The celestial Origins of Religious Belief
ZG Part 1
Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah?

Great idea Tat to open up chapter by chapter discussion over that BT about Christ in Egypt. I've been following the discussions over there and here and also think it's time to branch out over at the Sam Harris forums. They have a mythicist thread going on over there that could use some clarification.



Good to see you join our discussions here Frank!

I'm game to go check it out and try and help clarify. Do you have a link to the thread in question?

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The Jesus Mythicist Creed:
The "Jesus Christ" of the New Testament is a fictional composite of characters, real and mythical. A composite of multiple "people" is no one.

The celestial Origins of Religious Belief
ZG Part 1
Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah?