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I am currently in a heated debate as some of you know with kingdavid on the forum skeptic friends network about the proof from Zeitgeist. He has repeatedly said that there is no proof of these claims and I would like to prove it once and for all in front of everyone and be able to use the forum for future reference for those doubting Acharya's work that she put into Zeitgeist.

We started the debate, the kingdavid started throwing a hissy fit when teched started posting pictures of the djed pillar. lol So we had to restart the debate with different guidelines. These guidelines are that I gather a team, get our information about the following claims together and I will post it for our team. Then kingdavid's team gets to give their counter evidence, then back and forth.

I would like to know if anyone would like to join my team.

Here are the claims:

"Horus
1. Born on Dec 25th
2. Born of a virgin
3. Star in the East
4. Adored by 3 kings
5. Teacher at 12
6. Baptized/ministry at 30
7. 12 disciples
8. Performed miracles
9. "Lamb of God"/"The Light"
10. Crucified
11. Dead for 3 days
12. Resurrected"

Attis:
13. Born of a virgin
14. Born on Dec 25th
15. Crucified
16. Dead for 3 days
17. Resurrected

Krishna:
18. Born of a virgin
19. Star in the East
20. Performed miracles
21. Resurrected

Dionysus:
22. Born of a virgin
23. Born on Dec 25th
24. Performed miracles
25. Turned water into wine (not visible on the list, but the voice-over says it)
26. "King of Kings"
27. "Alpha and Omega"
28. "God's only begotten son" (not visible on the list, but the voice-over says it)
29. Resurrected

Mithra:
30. Born of a virgin
31. Born on Dec 25th
32. 12 disciples
33. Dead for 3 days
34. Resurrected
35. "The Truth"/"The Light" (not visible on the list, but the voice-over says it)
36. Sunday worship"


Here is what he will accept...

1) Versions of their stories in which we can read about them actually doing these things, provided that the stories are generally agreed-upon by scholars to be pre-Christian. This is the one I'd most like to see. If the deities are truly believed to have done these things, you would think there would be stories somewhere in which they do it.

2) Any information coming from scholarly sources who are not specifically trying to prove parallels to Jesus, for example:
a) General mythology books and websites, provided they have no Christ-myther agenda (sorry, I won't accept Wikipedia or similar forums, since there's no way to determine whether the individual doing the posting is a Christ-myther or not). If it's a book, I must be able to acquire it from my local library, or you can mail me the book or e-mail me copies of the pages in question. I won't spend my own money on it (this is to prevent someone from naming some impossible-to-find book and then calling foul on me for not going on a wild and expensive goose chase to get it - remember, I am asking YOU to provide the evidence.)
b) Scholars (Christian or not) who work for a university who agree that the parallels are valid.
c) Anything coming from a mainstream peer-reviewed journal.

3) Photographs of pre-Christian heiroglyphs showing them clearly doing these things (I've seen Christ-mythers claim such hieroglyphs exist for Horus, but every time I ask them to send them to me, I never hear from them again).

Overall, I expect any evidence you provide me with to be something that a reasonable, skeptical and unbiased person (say, someone who is neither a Christian nor a Christ-myther) would accept as convincing evidence that the deity in question was believed, in pre-Christian times, to have done those things. Simply quoting a Christ-myther, or quoting one Christ-myther who quotes another Christ-myther (and so on) obviously will not count. I am expecting evidence that clearly existed prior to and separate from Christ-mythers.

Then he adds this...

And some clarification:
I take the phrase "born of a virgin" to mean that the deity was born of a woman (human or humanoid, such as a goddess) who had yet to engage in sexual intercourse at the time of his birth.
I take the phrase "resurrected" to mean being brought back to life in the body in which he died (as opposed to being reincarnated or made into a complete spirit), and for it to have happened in this world (as opposed to the underworld or world of the gods). The same body, yet transformed, is acceptable, of course.
I take the phrase "baptized" to mean cleansed by water in a purification ritual with spiritual ramifications (cleansing of sins, making holy, accepting as a follower and/or promising eternal life).
I take the phrase "crucified" to mean being affixed (by nails, rope, crazy glue, etc.) to a tree or cross, and dying on that tree or cross. Being hung by the neck from a tree, or dying in the vicinity of a tree that they are not affixed to, does not equal crucifixion. Neither does being tied to a rock (sorry, Prometheus fans!)"

If you have ever visited kingdavid's website, you would see why I am doing this. It is not about the money but about the fact that he does not back up his counterclaims with any evidence, he uses the exact sources that he refuses to accept, he uses fairytale stories from various websites that are meant for general explanations. One of my conditions is that he put a link from his website to the skeptic friends website when we are done so that the people that go to his website will be able to see the real evidence and be able to judge for themselves.


As soon as I get all of this information together, I will post it on the forum. If you would like to join in the mean time just to look around, that would be great. The rules have not been listed yet on the forum for the debate. I think they will be as soon as I give the go ahead.


Any joiners?

Just for the fun of it? Hardly. Not my idea of a good time. Like I said before, just the thought of engaging this troll again makes my stomach turn. He has an obstinacy like no other.

Plus I have a few things to say about that list. I'll PM you.

Which list are you talking about Kingdavid8's or Acharya's? PM me too then, I'd like to read your thoughts.

Should I move this thread into the Kingdavid thread since much of his nonsense has already been addressed in the thread entitled Jesus, Horus and KingDavid8.com

changingmyself didn't provide any links so, where is this debate taking place?

All of the claims in Zeitgeist part 1 have been substantiated as well as the criticisms addressed in the New Zeitgeist Part 1 Sourcebook (2010). Acharya's books, articles, blogs and this very forum further address criticisms as well.

The New Zeitgeist Part 1 Sourcebook (2010)

Rebuttal to Dr. Chris Forbes concerning 'Zeitgeist, Part 1'

Richard Dawkins on ZEITGEIST, Part 1

Skeptic Magazine Critique of Zeitgeist Part 1

Richard Carrier on Zeitgeist part 1

Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection

The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ

The Origins of Islam

Astrotheology of the Ancients

As concerns KD's "clarifications," all these do is show he doesn't have a clue about ancient mythology and is therefore no expert at all to be paying any attention to. As Acharya says, Isis is a mythical goddess, not a real person, so she doesn't EVER have "sexual intercourse" with a physical body on planet Earth. Her mating with Osiris is allegorical and mythical, not literal.

Isis is an aspect of the Virgin Mother Goddess concept that dates back at least 7,000 years and revolves around the Divine Feminine aspect of creation, who reproduces without a partner. She's not in a body and doesn't have genitalia. The point is that the concept of the divine female giving birth without a male partner - i.e., virginally - existed in pre-Christian times, not whether or not there were "real people" who actually gave birth without having sexual intercourse. See the works of Dr. Marguerite Rigoglioso for more on this concept:

Virgin Mother Goddesses of Antiquity

Neith, Virgin Mother of the World

KD8 has NO leg to stand on here. It's blatantly obvious the creators of Christianity took an old motif and reworked it to revolve around a Jewish maiden. He's lost, period.

The same goes for the rest of his "clarifications." We can do the same thing with every one of his "clarifications," in fact. Acharya's already done it, over and over again. As another example, we are not saying - and Acharya's repeated this many times - that Horus was a real person who was thrown down to the ground and nailed to a cross by soldiers. What we're saying is that the god on the cross or in cross shape/cruciform is a pre-Christian motif that was blatantly taken over by Christianity and worked into their gospel fable.

Was Horus "Crucified?"

Also see all the gods and goddesses on crosses or in cruciform posted here:

Cruciforms/Gods on Crosses

We're saying the same thing that early Church fathers Justin Martyr, Tertullian and Minucius Felix are when they themselves raise up the comparisons between Christ and other gods of the Roman Empire:

"And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter." Early Church Father and Saint Justin Martyr (c. 150 AD/CE)

We are just building upon Justin Martyr's remarks to prove his point that Christians propound nothing different. What we're saying is that the creators of Christianity took a bunch of MYTHICAL MOTIFS and historicized them, making them appear as if they took place around a Jewish guy in history 2,000 years ago. We are not claiming that the Christians found an ancient encyclopedia with the exact same stories about real people and then changed their names - 'the copycat theory' is a straw man argument that is transparent as glass.

KD is engaging in willful incomprehension that only reflects his own inabilities to conceptualize. There won't be a thing we can do with someone with such dishonest blinkers on. He'll just keep moving the goal post every time we score. Any reasonable person can see what he's up to.

Also, just because someone claims to be a "skeptic," doesn't mean they are educated on these issues regarding Zeitgeist part 1 or Acharya's work in astrotheological studies. As we can see from the massive amount of information Acharya's dug up and published over the many years she's been studying the subject, most "skeptics" don't have a clue about the astrotheological connections to comparative religion and mythology. Most are NOT experts on the subject at all.

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2013 Astrotheology Calendar
The Mythicist Position
Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection
Stellar House Publishing at Youtube

Looks like the debate is raging on over here- http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=8

What I sent to CM was how I think that such trolls are trying to set a trap by sticking so hardline to the old Zeitgeist lists of claims and demanding explicit unambiguous statements, in other words, these folks don't really want PARALLELS, they wants carbon copies, with just the names of pagan gods scratched out and Jesus written in with no other alterations whatsoever. I was explaining how our arguments and evidences for many of those claims contain several nuances which I know from first hand experience KD8 will just convolute and use as red herrings to try and simply wear out people's patience rather than actually refute their arguments. Etc.

So I basically told her to see if she can get him to scrap that outdated list and just work on what actually comes up naturally within the primary texts.

Perhaps starting with the Pyramid Texts.

What makes it fun to me is that kingdavid doesn't get to decide if we have proven our point or not, the "skeptic" voters do.

Who ever loses has to admit it and per agreement, kingdavid has to link his website to that forum.

There are going to be at least 2 mods of the forum that are going to be "refs" and helpers to post links and pictures.

It would be really nice if I could get at least a few people to help. If nothing else but to help me figure out the fallacies or lies (for lack of a better word) that kingdavid posts in his replies.

Any takers???

Ohhh... I wasn't aware this was going to be a real debate with a deciding audience. Well, that's much better. Maybe that way there will be less smoke in the smoke screen.

Yes, it will be a real one. Do you want to see my evidence so far?
Some of it I have not gone over yet and I need to get the education from the sources. That was not a part of the deal but I am doing it so he doesn't cry and whine. This is just from some of my notes.


HORUS

VIRGIN MOTHER:
“The Egyptian goddess who was equally the Great Virgin (hwnt) and Mother of the God was the object of the very same praise bestowed upon her successor [Mary, Virgin Mother of Jesus]” - "Isis in the ancient world" by Egyptologist Dr. Reginald E. Witt.

1. In a text in the Abydos Temple of Seti !, Isis herself declares: "I am the great VIRGIN"

2. Found among the glyphs of Denderah, are glyphs depicting the sex between Isis and Osiris. The glyphs show Isis sending out her Bah (spirit), Sother (a hawk), the hawk being inseminated on Osiris' phallus, and then returning back to Isis. Thus, the sex between Isis and Osiris was non-physical, leaving her virginity intact.

Sources for Isis Virginity
*Dictionary of deities and demons in the Bible DDD By K. van der Toorn, Bob Becking, Pieter Willem van der Horst Page 891
"In Egypt the epithets 'dd.t, rnn.t and hwn.t, 'girl; young woman; virgin', are applied to many goddesses — eg-* Hathor and -►Isis — who HAD NOT YET HAD SEXUAL INTERCOURSE."

"The present and the future and the past, I am. My undergarment NO ONE has uncovered. The fruit I brought forth, the sun came into being.." --- Sais Inscription

"Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament, Volume 2" by G. Johannes Botterweck and Helmer Ringgren
Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament, professor of Old Testament and Catholic Theology at the University of Bonn Dr. G. Johannes Botterweck writes:

"In the Late Period in particular, goddesses are frequently called ―(beautiful) virgins, especially Hathor, Isis, and Nephthys."

Osiris: death and afterlife of a god By Bojana Mojsov Page 94 Isis and her child had an even bigger following: she came to be worshiped as the primordial virgin and her infant the Savior of the World.


*The Nostratic macrofamily and linguistic palaeontology"

A. Dolgopolskiĭ, Colin Renfrew, McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research - 1998 - 116 pages - Snippet view

Egyptian hwn 'boy, young man; (one's) child, son', hwn.t 'girl, VIRGIN', hwn v. 'become young' || Uralic *wa"NV > [1] Finno-Ugric *warju 'daughter's husband, younger brother' >

*The Egyptian book of life: symbolism of ancient Egyptian temple and tomb art By Melissa Littlefield Applegate Page 92
VIRGIN REFERRING TO ISIS..


Mary's references
Strong's G3933 - parthenos

1) a virgin

a) a marriageable MAIDEN

b) a woman who has never had sexual intercourse with a man

c) one's marriageable daughter

PRIMARY SOURCE-Pyramid Text Line 632

-"Isis being ready as Sirius-Sothis (Star in the East) and Horus sopd has come forth from you as Horus who is in Sirius-Sothis."

"Hathor (hat- hor) means the "House of Horus." She protected infants and consoled the dead. In earlier times, as the sky goddess, she was regarded as the mother of the sun god, Horus, until she was replaced by Isis"
Dictionary of Ancient Deities - Page 206 Patricia Turner, Charles Russell Coulter

World mythology By Roy G. Willis Page 43
ISIS was a SPARROWHAWK and revived Osiris...
In another version she was impregnated by divine FIRE.

Comparative religion: an introductory and historical study
By Edwin Oliver James
Therefore in the form of a HAWK, she hovered over her restored husband and concieved a son Horus, who was BROUGHT UP IN SECRECY...

Religions of the Hellenistic-Roman age By Antonía Tripolitis Page 26
"The Pyramid Texts represent Isis as the goddes of the earth and of fertility. Osiris was identified with the stagnant Nile, which was reborn yearly as the living water Horus that rose to inundate the land and restore it to new life."

"As the redemptive figured of the Egyptian god [Osiris] loomed large over the ancient world, Isis came to be worshiped as the Primordial Virgin and their child as the Savior of the World." - Egyptologist Dr. Bojana Mojsov

BOTH Mary and Isis were claimed to be VIRGINS, MAIDENS and MARRIED.

BOTH had sons BY GODS. BOTH of those sons were called the MORNING STAR.

BOTH got pregnant by the SPIRIT of the god. BOTH Jesus and Horus were TRIUNE gods

The Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts By R. O. Faulkner
Page 120
Your sister Isis comes to you rejoicing for love of you. You have placed her on your phallus and your seed issues into her, she being ready as SOthis and Har Sopd has come forth from you as Horus who is in Sothis.




THREE KINGS PROOF:
The three kings approaching the baby in a manger can also be seen in the ritual of the baby falcon god Sokar, who was brought out of the temple at the winter solstice and who has been identified with Horus. SOKAR IS HORUS...

PROOF: The Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts By R. O. Faulkner

Page 119 Utterance 364




*Barbara G. Walker:
"Osiris‘s" coming was announced by Three Wise Men: the three stars Mintaka, Anilam, and Alnitak in the BELT OF ORION, which point directly to Osiris‘s star in the east, Sirius (Sothis), significator of his birth.

As OSIRIS DIES>>>HORUS ARISES.

The Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts By R. O. Faulkner

Page 147 NOTE ON PAGE 148 #2

REFFERING TO THE KING AND ORION WITH WHOM SOTHIS MAKES A THIRD.

THREE KINGS JESUS:
Excerpta Latina Barbari #49

"At that time in the reign of Augustus, on 1st January the Magi brought him gifts and worshipped him. The names of the Magi were Bithisarea, Melichior and Gathaspa.

[52A] When Herodes heard that a king had been born, he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. When Herodes realised that he had been tricked by the Magi, he sent out his murderers with orders to kill all the boys who were two years old and under."


Not Posted...
The geography of the heavens: or familiar instructions for finding the ... By Elijah Hinsdale Burritt Page 53
"They are somtimes denominated the Three Kings, because they point out Hyades and Pleiades on one side, Sirius or the Dog Star on the other."
Elijah Hinsdale Burritt
April 20, 1794 - January 3, 1838
Graduate of Williams College
First Principal of Sanderson Academy


The Humboldt library of popular science literature ...Page 454 By Richard A. Proctor, B.A. Camb. F.R.A.S.
"I have forgotten to add that the three oblique stars which form his belt have been named the Tree Magi Kings, Jacobs's staff and that in France we simply distinguish them under the name of the rake. To the South East of Orion, on the line on the three kings, shines the most manificant of all stars, Sirius, or a of the constellation of the Great Dog."








DECEMBER 25TH BIRTHDAY of HORUS

Establishing December 25th as the winter solstice:

*The New international encyclopaedia, Volume 4 edited by Daniel Coit Gilman, Harry Thurston Peck, Frank Moore Colby
"At the WINTER SOLSTICE the Germans held their YULE FESTIVAL...from December 25th to January 6th".

*The Oxford Handbook of Church and State in the United States - Derek Davis
Page 285
"Between these two celebrations fell December 25, the winter solstice by calendars of the time"

*Marking time: the epic quest to invent the perfect calendar By Duncan Steel Page 109
In the preceding chapter we saw that the pagan midwinter festival of the unconquered sun, at the winter solstice, was held on December 25th; under constantine this became accepted as the appropriate date for Christmas, celebrating Christ's birth. In fact, that is the traditional date for the winter solstice on the Julian calendar...

Lost Light: An Interpretation of Ancient Scriptures By Alvin Boyd Kuhn Page 495
Horus, the child is crowned in the seat of Osiris at the end of three days. In the lunar typing, Osiris dies at the winter solstice to be reborn again as Horus on the third day in the moon.

“In the Orient, however, the birth and the baptism of Jesus were celebrated respectively on January 5 and 6. B. Botte, a Belgian Benedictine scholar, in a significant study concludes that this date also evolved from an originally pagan feast, namely Epiphany, which commemorated the birth and growth of light.” -

*The Meaning, Celebration and Date of Christmas,
by Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi, p.24

"the date of Christ’s birth did not become an issue until sometime in the fourth century. At that time the dispute centered primarily over two dates for Christ’s birth: December 25 promoted by the Church of Rome and January 6, known as the Epiphany, observed by the Eastern churches. “Both these days,were pagan festivals whose meaning provided a starting point for the specifically Christian conception of Christmas." -
*The Meaning, Celebration and Date of Christmas, Samuele Bacchiocchi, p.14

Establishing Horus's birthday on Solstice:
1."...at the winter solstice the sun would seem to be a little child, like that which the Egyptians bring forth from a shrine on an appointed day, since the day is then at its shortest and the god is accordingly shown as a tiny infant" - Saturnalia, 1:18,19;
*Percival Vaughan Davis, ed. Macrobius: the Saturnalia (New York, 1969): 129, cited in TALLEY, Origins, 107 note 37
Horus born on December 25th PROOF-Macrobius (395–423 AD/CE) reported on an annual Egyptian ―Christmas‖ celebration (Saturnalia, I, XVIII:10):

"…at the winter solstice the sun would seem to be a little child, like that which the
Egyptians bring forth from a shrine on an appointed day, since the day is then at its shortest and the god is accordingly shown as a tiny infant."

2.===The symbol of the savior child was the was the EYE of the sun newly born on the winter solstice. Dr. Bojana Mojsov
Dr Bojana Mojsov is the leading egyptologist involved in the physical conservation of Setti I tomb





Establishing Jesus birthday was chosen for the winter solstice too
December 25th+January 6th Birthday of Jesus
*Chronicle of the living Christ: the life and ministry of Jesus Christ ... By Robert A. Powell

*Liturgy for Living By Charles P. Price, Louis Weil Page 164 JESUS BIRTHDAY CHOSEN FOR THE WINTER SOLSTICE! January 6th AND December 25th

*Toward the origins of Christmas By Susan K. Roll Page Page 67

*The origins of the liturgical year, Volume 1986 By Thomas J. Talley Page 108 BOTH January 6th AND December 25th...

Wilkinson, Manner and Customs of the Ancient Egyptians, III, 18
"The Hieroglyphs show a manger containing a baby Horus being approached Ptah, Sokar, and Osiris -- 3 kings."








SIRIUS PROOF

The Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts By R. O. Faulkner Page 155 after Utterance 466 NOTE: #1

1. Procyon? Hardly Sirius, which is always the fem. Spdt, SOTHIS...

Who is SOTHIS? ISIS's BA. So YEAH...SIRIUS was a significator of Horus's birth...SOTHIS WAS THERE.

The ancient Egyptian pyramid texts By James P. Allen Page 441

SOTHIS, Spdt,(sharp) The MORNING STAR, SIRIUS, seen by the Egyptians as a goddess.

NOTE...HORUS IN SOTHIS

The Egyptian Book of the Dead: The Book of Going Forth by Day By Raymond O. Faulkner, Carol Andrews, James Wasserman Page 175 SOTHIS, SIRIUS, THE DOG STAR...Sometime takes the role of ISIS.

Notice in this picture that Isis is in the form of Sothis which is her BA or spirit, (which is what it is referred to in the Pyramid texts utterance 366:632)
In 633 Horus is "Sopd" who came from OSIRIS in Isis.





HORUS STAR IN THE EAST PROOF-

*The Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts By R. O. Faulkner

You are this LONE STAR that comes forth from the EAST of the sky, and who will surrender himself to HORUS of the NETHERWORLD...

*Page 173 Utterance 485 C great STAR in the midst of the EAST...

*The Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts By R. O. Faulkner

Pages 155, 173, 174,

Also note on pages 40, 154, 161, 184, 192, 205 Horus is the MORNING STAR...

*Journal of Near Eastern Studies RO Faulkner Pyramid Texts: "O MORNING STAR, horus of the Dlet, divine falcon, widwid-bird whom the sky bore..."

*Book of the Dead Chapter 109 "I know the souls of the easterners, they are Horakty (horus of the horizons), the sun calf, and the MORNING STAR

*The Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts utterance 536- Page 205 R. O. Faulkner -

"Anubis who presides over the God's Booth has commanded that you go § 129s down as a star, as the Morning Star. May you traverse the Mound of Horus of the Southerners, may you traverse the Mound of Horus of the Northerners"

*Pyramid Text 1219 "Thou (O Morning Star)(Horus) makest this Pepi(Osiris) to sit down because of his righteousness and to rise up..."

*Egyptology at the Dawn of the Twenty-first Century: History, religion - Page 241
Zahi A. Hawass, Lyla Pinch Brock -
"However, the latter's crown is further specified to be like that of the sun god in the horizon at sunrise, when he is greeted by Horus morning star."

The King and the Star-religion in the Pyramid Texts
RO Faulkner - Journal of Near Eastern Studies, 1966 -
The king and the STAR religion in the Pyramid Texts...
"... A prayer to the Morning Star to help the King runs: "O Morning Star, Horus of the DIet, divine falcon,
widwid-bird whom the sky bore: Hail to you with these your four 20 An allusion to the dawn-flush"
jstor.org/pss/543263

The Egyptian Book of the Dead: The Book of Going Forth by Day - Page 113 & 131
Raymond O. Faulkner, Eva Von Dassow, Carol Andrews -
Chapter 109-"I know the souls of the easterners, they are Horakhty, the sun calf, and the MORNING STAR."
Chapter 179-"N was conceived in the night, he was born in the morning, he belongs to those who are in the suite of Re, who are before the Morning Star; he has brought to you the bread which he has found."


Egyptology at the Dawn of the Twenty-first Century: History, religion - Page 240
"we thus observe a changeover of rule from evening/night-here represented by Osiris, who is transfigured like Thoth and Anubis- to Horus morning star,"

The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasonry, ... - Page 116
LOOK UP THESE-"Pyramid Texts 357, 929, 935 and 1707 refer to the dead king's offspring (the Horus) as being the morning star. It is interesting to note that the Egyptian hieroglyphic for the morning star"

The Star-Crossed Stone: The Secret Life, Myths, and History of a ... - Page 181
Kenneth J. McNamara, Ken McNamara - 2010
"Hiding from Seth, Sothis (Isis) gives birth to her son Sopdu (Horus) in the marshes of the Delta near Heliopolis. ... This o≠spring of the two stars was also seen as a star himself, and he was sometimes known as the “morning star”:


Jesus the MORNING STAR...
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
King James Bible Rev. 22:16








HORUS RESURRECTED PROOF:
"The Oxford Enclyclopedia of Ancient Egypt 3V by Donald B Redford Page 400
He (Thoth) assists HORUS and Annubis in reconstructing the body of Osiris and teaches Isis the spells necessary to revive him...
"In one version, he heals the infant Horus after Isis finds him dead of a scorpion bite.?"

*The Egyptian Book of the dead: translation and commentary, Volume 1 By Edouard Naville Page 2
I AM WITH HORUS on the day when the festival of OSIRIS is celebrated...
I AM THY KINSMEN, HORUS!
?*RAISING OF THE DJED PILLAR Page 176

*The Death of Gods in Ancient Egypt By Jane Sellers

*The ancient Egyptian pyramid texts By James P. Allen Page 31 THE RESURRECTION RITUAL...

*The ancient Egyptian pyramid texts By James P. Allen PAGE 16

*Kingship and the gods: a study of ancient Near Eastern religion as the ... By Henri Frankfort

SED FESTIVAL... page 204 AND page 338


This festival of OSIRIS covers CRUCIFIXION, DEATH FOR 3 DAYS AND RESURRECTION OF HORUS. BECAUSE AS I HAVE PROVEN...HORUS IS OSIRIS by this time.


Osiris: death and afterlife of a god By Bojana Mojsov
As Egyptian history unfolded, the cult of Osiris grew in populatiry. The Middle Kingdom (2055-1650 BC) he assumed the role of the Great Judge of souls in the netherworld who dispensed bread and bear to the justified souls. Every year in the town of Abydos his death and resurrection after 3 days were celebrated in a publicly enacted passion play called the Mysteries of Osiris...
the cult of Osiris clasped hands with the cult of Ra and Osiris became the enlightened savior god, shepherd to immorality for ordinary people. ...Isis came to be worshipped as the primordial virgin and her child the Savior of the world.

OSIRIS IS TIED TO A STAKE...
The Osireion at Abydos By Margaret Alice Murray, Joseph Grafton Milne, Walter Ewing Crum PAGE 30

Jesus crucified on a STAKE not a CROSS
"Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words says, "STAUROS denotes, primarily, an upright pole or stake"

Dr. Bullinger, The Companion Bible, appx. 162 states, "crosses were used as symbols of the Babylonian Sun-god...It should be stated that Constantine was a Sun-god worshipper..."
[url]thewordsofeternallife.com/crosshtml[url]

The Canopus Revelation Page 75
Philip Coppens - 2004
"The Pyramid Texts start from the point where Osiris is reassembled and his consequent actions. ... The Djed-pillar and the tree, including the Palm of Byblos, were used intermittingly. Both were considered to be the spine of Osiris"




Osiris FESTIVA PROOF: Feasts of Light: Celebrations for the Seasons of Life Based on the Egyptian ... By Normandi Ellis PAGE 64

The mythological traditions of liturgical drama: the Eucharist as theater By Christine Schnusenberg PAGE 35

Publications, Volume 9 By British School of Archaeology in Egypt and Egyptian Research Account Page 31& 32

The Oxford companion to world mythology - Page 117
David Adams Leeming
"The myth of Horus justifies the sacred kingship. Horus is Osiris reborn. And Osiris's resurrection as Horus represents the possibility of any individual's succeeding on the traditional heroic journey into the underworld"


HORUS IS OSIRIS: The ancient Egyptian pyramid texts By James P. Allen Page 101
# 7 Horus shall take account for you...

The DISMEMBERMENT OF HORUS...JUST LIKE OSIRIS PROOF: The Egyptian Book of the dead: translation and commentary, Volume 1 By Edouard Naville
PAGE XX #3


*The Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts By R. O. Faulkner
Page 144 UTTERANCE 437
TAKE NOTE: THIS IS ALSO WHERE RE IS MENTIONED AS THE SPIRIT!

"Horus the Sun, and Ra, the Sun-God of Heliopolis, had so permeated each other that none could say where the one began and the other ended..." - Egyptologist Sir Dr. Gaston Maspero




*Handbook of Egyptian mythology By Geraldine Pinch
"Osiris is from the beginning a dead god..." Page 94

Kingship and the gods: a study of ancient Near Eastern religion as ... - Page 289
Henri Frankfort -
"Osiris, in fact, was not a "dying" god at all but a "dead" god. He NEVER RETURNED AMONG THE LIVING; he was not liberated from the world of the dead, as Tammuz was. "


"first of all, that there was only one sun- god, Re, and that the old sun-god Horus, who soared as a hawk above the heavens, was the same in essence as Re. The two differed only in name. The god was therefore named " Re-Horus ..."
The religion of the ancient Egyptians - Page 42 by
Georg Steindorff was a graduate of the Egyptology seminars of the University of Göttingen

"With the development of the Osiris cult, the pha- raoh in death was the setting sun, the Dying God Osiris, reborn as that god's son, the rising Sun God Horus." God: Myths of the Male Divine - Page 133
DAVID ADAMS LEEMING is professor emeritus of English and comparative literature at the University of Connecticut.

"As a sun-god Horus not only worsted the hostile darkness and avenged his father, but also daily renewed himself. He was thus IDENTICAL with his own father from one point of view." The encyclopædia britannica: a dictionary of arts, sciences, ...: Volume 13 - Page 783

"Horus, however, and Osiris were but forms of the same deity. Horus was the Sun-god when he rises in the morning ; Osiris the Sun-god as he journeys at night through a world of darkness"...
REVEREND Archibald Henry Sayce from Early Israel and the surrounding nations - Page 150

Studies in Latin literature and Roman history: Volume 14
Carl Deroux -
"For every night, Horus would die but the next morning Nut would give birth to him again, and the cycle would repeat itself. A final association between the story of Apollonius, king of Tyre, and the mythology of Horus and Osiris"

The enigmatic Netherworld Books of the Solar-Osirian unity: ... - Page 91
John Coleman Darnell -
"The bodies of Horus and Osiris appear together in a single oval, with Horus emerging from Osiris, in the third scene in the second register of section D of the Book of the Creation of the Solar Disk."

World mythology By Roy G. Willis Page 47 The SUN GOD, his NIGHT VOYAGE and the Stars...
RA-Horus of the HORIZON.
Mentions the TWELVE hours of the night. Orion was OSIRIS.


The ancient Egyptian book of the dead
By Carol Andrews, Raymond Oliver Faulkner Page 174
Osiris says: " I AM REBORN, I see, I behold, I will be yonder, I am raised up on my side, I make a decree, I hate sleep..."

Christians say the same thing...
The Two Babylons: Or, the Papal Worship Proved to Be the Worship ... - Page 289
Alexander Hislop -
"We have seen already, that the Egyptian Horus was just a new incarnation of Osiris or Nimrod."


The ancient Egyptian book of the dead By Carol Andrews, Raymond Oliver Faulkner Page 109
" I know the mystery of Nekhen; it is the hands of Horus of his mother's making which were throwin into the water when she said: 'You shall be the two severed portions of HORUS after you have been found.' and Re said, This son of ISIS is injured by reason of what his own mother has done to him; let us fetch sobk from the back of the waters so that he may fish them out and that his mother Isis may cause them to grow again in their proper place" And Sobk from the back of the waters said; I have fished and I have sought; they slipped from my hand on the bank of th waters, but in the end I fished them up with a fish trap.'


Egyptian [mythology] By Wilhelm Max Müller, Sir James George Scott Page 399

Jealous gods and chosen people: the mythology of the Middle East - Page 66
David Adams Leeming -
"Isis was her husband's queen in the underworld and the theological basis for the role of the queen on earth. ... The pharaoh died as Osiris and was resurrected as his son Horus".

Isis in the ancient world - Page 45
Reginald Eldred Witt -
"The royal relationship in Egypt typified and was that of Osiris and Isis, the Osiris killed by Seth and the Isis responsible for the resurrection of her husband-brother by the birth of her child Horus."


The Nummo By Shannon Dorey Page 243

The Encyclopædia britannica: a dictionary of arts, sciences ...,Page 50 Volume 9 By Hugh Chisholm
Two Horus's, the elder and younger...

Healing Gods of Ancient Civilizations By Walter Addison Jayne Page 59
Horus the younger was the reincarnation of Osiris.

It is disconcerting to find an adult Horus here assisting at his own conception; in order to explain this away the circularity of this construction and the puzzling multiplicity of Horus, both ancient and moder scholars have resroted to variations of the myth. Thus some versions, Geb and Nut have not four but five chidlren, among them one "Horus the elder."


The Egyptian revival: ancient Egypt as the inspiration for design motifs in ... By James Stevens Curl
Page 418
"Ankh, Cross surmounted by a circlet used in hieroglyphs, later identified with the numbus and Cross (crux ansata) of the crucifixion, possibly a stylised form of some kind of magic knot, (see also tyet) It signifies life and the resurrection and is very common in Egyptian and Egyptianising iconography as an attribute of the deities, meaning eternal life-giving powers."

Inscriptions from Egypt's Third Intermediate Period By Robert Kriech Ritner Page 71
"Maat is adored in your form, and god is summoned in your likenes by calling your name today; I am Horus the Savior/Reciter."


Women in myth By Bettina Liebowitz Knapp Page 12-13
"Revealed to her was the future birth of Horus, the redeemer, the hawk headed god..."
"Horus became the living and functioning son, the earthly counterpart of his father..."
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=5isFdtMGwVwC&pg=PA12&dq=Horus+resurrected+by+Isis&hl=en&ei=4P_WTb7HMKrL0QHc1pmMBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBTgU#v=onepage&q=Horus%20resurrected%20by%20Isis&f=false[url]


Healing Gods of Ancient Civilizations By Walter Addison Jayne Page 61
"Horus bitten by scorpian and Thoth restored the child to life"
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=9ZpIeJDsp5gC&pg=PA59&dq=Horus+the+elder+reincarnated+as+Horus&hl=en&ei=OgXXTeyiDcnu0gHQ59CMBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false[url]

Osiris: death and afterlife of a god - Page 11
"Horus became not only the legitimate new king, the reincarnation of Osiris, but also the heroic avenger and ... The discrepancy between the two gods was explained by introducing Horus the Elder and Horus the Younger..."
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=Aw9MNm7xCGAC&pg=PA11&dq=Horus+the+elder+reincarnated+as+Horus&hl=en&ei=OgXXTeyiDcnu0gHQ59CMBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false[url]

Brady's Book of Fixed Stars By Bernadette Brady Page 284
"In the Egyptian Myth, the sun was Horus/Osiris; the myth of the scorpion killing Osiris and sending him to his midwinter death only to be reborn again in the form of Horus is a myth describing the annual journey of the sun through this constellation"
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=GiTXDxklUAwC&pg=PA284&dq=Horus+scorpion&hl=en&ei=ZwHXTYqvDcrc0QGSl9nUBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Horus%20scorpion&f=false[url]

Which explains THIS:
Egyptian magic By Sir Ernest Alfred Wallis Budge Page 134
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=_-0YAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA134&dq=Horus+stung+by+scorpion&hl=en&ei=V_rWTb__EMnLgQfazYyeBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CFMQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Horus%20stung%20by%20scorpion&f=false[url]

Nature, Volume 40 edited by Sir Norman Lockyer Page 285
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=si4CAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA285&dq=Egyptian+Horus++scorpion&hl=en&ei=EBfXTfukIoWT0QGPnMW9Bw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&sqi=2&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Egyptian%20Horus%20%20scorpion&f=false[url]

And most likely this:
The Egyptian Book of the dead: translation and commentary, Volume 1 By Edouard Naville Page 91
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=LgbpvROVLIQC&pg=PR18&dq=The+Egyptian+Book+of+the+dead:+translation+and+commentary,+Volume+1+By+Edouard+Naville&hl=en&ei=8dvWTbn7Cef00gGczNGTBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=scorpion&f=false[url]


NOT POSTED YET.
The Popular Encyclopedia of Bible Prophecy: Over 140 Topics from the World's ... By Tim LaHaye, Edward E. Hindson Page 43
"Babel is also the place of the origin of the infamous mother-child cult. According to extrabiblical tradition, Nimrods wife, Semiramis, had a son named Tammuz through an alleged miraculous conception. According to tradition, Tammuz was killed by a wild animal and miraculously restored to life. The legend of Semiramis and Tammuz eventually spread from Babel thorughout the world, but their names were changed in different cultures. In Assyria, the mother was Ishtar and the son was Tammuz. In Phoenicia, it was Astarte and Baal. In Egypt, it was Isis and Osiris or Horus. In Greece, it was Aphrodite and Eros. In Rome, it was Venus and Cupid."


NOT POSTED
Black Athena: The linguistic evidence By Martin Bernal
"Diodorus quoted Egyptians who told him that Isis had discovered many drugs and had resurrected her dead son Horus and made him immortal. This idea about Isis clearly came from a very early ancient tradition. In the Pyramid Texts, inscribed 2500 years earlier, Isis and her sister Nephthys arrived "with healing on their wings" to heal and resuscitate Osiris. Thus, there is no doubt that Isis's association with healing and revivifying far atedated any possible Greek influence"
Martin Gardiner Bernal (born March 1937[1]) is a Professor Emeritus of Government and Near Eastern Studies at Cornell University.

HORUS RAISED HIS CHILDREN FROM THE DEAD: MIRACLES PROOF:

The Egyptian Book of the dead: translation and commentary, Volume 1 By Edouard Naville Page 3
"The raising up or the resurrection here spoken of is not only the soul but of the body of the deceased person..."


HORUS LIGHT PROOF:

The Egyptian Book of the dead: translation and commentary, Volume 1 By Edouard Naville PAGE 125

World mythology By Roy G. Willis Page 44
"The LIGHT of the EYE OF HORUS could then be used to restore the life of Osiris in the underworld".


HORUS LAMB OF GOD PROOF: HORUS BECAME THE BA of OSIRIS

The ancient Egyptian pyramid texts By James P. Allen Page 101

The Egyptian Book of the dead: translation and commentary, Volume 1 By Edouard Naville Page 8 states:

THE RAM-Lamb IS CALLED IN EGYPTIAN- BA!

Horus shall take account of you year by year, rejuvenated in your identity of the rejuvenated waters of the inundation, Horus has become BA, taking account of his father in you, in his identity of him of the Sovereign's BA sedan chair.

Kingship and the gods: a study of ancient Near Eastern religion as the ...
By Henri Frankfort Page 41
"HORUS the great God, LORD of HEAVEN"

page 118 Read that WHOLE Chapter....It is HORUS Speaking...
I am Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow, for I am born again and again, mine is the unseen force which createth the gods and giveth food to those in Tuat at the west of Heaven; I am the Eastern Rudder, the Lord of Two Faces, who seeth by his own LIGHT, the Lord of Resurrections, who cometh forth from the dusk and whose birth is from the House of Death....

He is I, I am He (6)

HORUS AS OSIRIS WALKING ON WATER UNHINDERED- PROOF:

The Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts By R. O. Faulkner PAGE 192

The ancient Egyptian pyramid texts By James P. Allen 118, 154 

LAKE STRIDER...





HORUS'S FOLLOWERS PROOF: The ancient Egyptian pyramid texts By James P. Allen Page 228

The Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts By R. O. Faulkner Page 157

The Book of Gates Chapter 5 The twelve gods behind the alter.

Encyclopedia of ancient Egypt By Margaret Bunson Page 139
"Followers of Horus There were three distinct groups of ancient Egyptians, each with a unique role in the life of the nation. The first group, the supernatural, hence magical company bearing his name were creatures who supposedly followed the god Horus the son of Isis and Osiris, in his predynastic battles at EDFU and in the delta. Such companions were called heru shemsu and were honored in all Horus temples. They are depicted in the tomb of Khereuf, an official in the reign of Amenhk(1391-1353 BCE) These follwered of Horus were portrayed as bearing clubs and other weapons. They served as verteran forces in the predynastic wears, especially at EDFU..."







Horus BAPTISM PROOF: The ancient Egyptian pyramid texts By James P. Allen Page 158.

REMEMBER ON PAGE 82 OSIRIS HAS ALREADY BEEN CHANGED TO HORUS!

"The 12 gods say unto Ra/Horus: -- "Immerse thyself, O Ra, in the HOLY lake, wherein the lord of the gods immersed himself, whereunto the souls of the dead approach not; this is what thou thyself hast commanded. O KHUTI...Thier food consisteth of -----BREAD...thier vessels are filled with WINE------"

LOOK UP---PRIMARY SOURCE-Horus's BAPTISM Pyramid Text 512
"Raise yourself, my father, recieve these your Four pleasant provision-jars
bathe in the Jackal Lake (Anubis is the jackal), be cleansed in the Lake of the Netherworld."be purified on top of your lotus flower in the Fields of Rushes, traverse the sky, make your abode in the Field of Offerings among the gods who have gone to their doubles."

Definition: baptism- A ceremony, trial, or experience by which one is initiated, purified, or given a name.



Horus TEACHER AT 12 PROOF: Khamuas/Khamois found on Papyrus DCIV of the British Museum appears an interesting tale about Sa-Asar, Si-Osiris or Senosiris—the son of Osiriswho grew rapidly in wisdom and knowledge of magic.

PROOF: reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/texts/khamuas.htm





What DO Egyptologists SAY?
"Jesus was identified with Horus. One amulet depicts on one side a winged, young Horus who tames crocodiles and scorpions. The passions of Jesus were mixed with Osirian traditions. Bes, an Egyptian folk god who protected women during birth, was also identified with Christ." --- "Egyptian Archaeology" By Willeke Wendrich. Willieke Wendrich is a professor in Egyptian Archaeology.


Dr. Erik Hornung, a professor emeritus of Egyptology
“Notwithstanding its superficial rejection of everything pagan, early Christianity was deeply indebted to ancient Egypt. In particular, the lively picture of the ancient Egyptian afterlife left traces in Christian texts; thus, among the Copts, and later in Islam, we encounter a fiery hell quite like that of the Egyptians…"
"The descensus [descent] of Jesus, which played no role in the early church, was adopted into the official Credo after 359, thanks to apocryphal legends that again involved Egypt. Christ became the sun in the realm of the dead, for his descent into the netherworld had its ultimate precursor in the nightly journey of the ancient Egyptian sun god Re…”

Jaroslav Cerny professor of Egyptology at both University College London and Oxford University.
" Ancient Egyptian Religion" page 84
"The dead Osiris, however, was deified and a personal creed was attached to his life and death, which was very much like that of Christianity based on the suffering and death of Jesus."

"As another example of assimilation between Horus and Christ may be cited a bas-relief on the wall of the early Egyptian Church belonging to the Memnonium at Abydos. In it Christ is portrayed sitting on his throne with the horned disk of Horus and holding a modification of the staff or crook of Osiris."
--- "Isis in the ancient world" By Reginald Eldred Witt

"The figure of the Virgin Mary and her son Jesus is highly influenced by the figure of the goddess Isis and her son Horus. After all, Isis was the first holy virgin who managed to revive her dead husband Osiris long enough for him to pass one seed from which she conceived her son Horus."
---"The Horizon: Studies in Egyptology in Honour of M.A. Nur El-Din" edited by Basem El-Sharkaway - Egyptologist

Kingship and the gods: a study of ancient Near Eastern religion as the ... By Henri Frankfort Page 204
"The mood is characteristic for a cult which celebrates a RESURRECTED god: yet the rites described by Ikhernofret would seem appropriate to the cult, not of a "dying god" but of a dead king."
Henri 'Hans' Frankfort (February 24, 1897 – July 16, 1954) was a Dutch Egyptologist, archaeologist and orientalist.

...Page 205

And on page page 214 there are pictures of the Djed Pillar/Horus combination.




KRISHNA

Star in the East=Krishna's birth was signaled by the Star in the East. In the Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 10 Chapter 3 "The Birth of Krishna" the very first line reads: "Then there was the supreme hour all-auspicious and most suitable with the ROHINI CONSTELLATION rising and all the stars in a FAVORABLE POSITION."

Rohini's corresponding star is Aldebaran. In hindu astronomy Rohini is identified as Aldebaran, which is the next star in the Star in the East's alignment with Orion's Belt.

VISHNU PURANA BOOK V CHAPTER 2 the first verse states quote:

"The nurse of the universe, Jagaddhatri, thus enjoined by the god of gods, CONVEYED SIX SEVERAL EMBRYOS into the womb of Devaki, and the SEVENTH ONE, after a season into Rohini's womb."

According to the Srimad Bhagavatam, Vishnu chose Devaki and Vasudeva because they lived the most non-sensual, austere lives. It states that they endured aeons of "TAPASYA" or "MORTIFICATION" (no sex or material enjoyments -- extreme self-discipline). Furthermore, the reason they could not give birth to Krishna in thier PAST LIVES was due to having sex just once (gramya-dharma or gramya-bhogan). Instead, they gave birth to Pris'nigarbha (an incomplete Krishna)

2 Bhagavad Gita, 10.20; Campbell, 315
"As Vishnu, Krishna is the second person of the TRINITY, he is considered the "Beginning, the Middle and the End," ("Alpha and Omega"), as well as being omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent."

Dr. Zacharias P. Thundy states of Jesus dying on the cross:
"This is the story of Gautama, a holy man, who was wrongfully condemned to die on the cross for murdering the courtesan Bhadra. Gautama is impaled on the cross, and his mentor Krishna Dvapayana visits him and enters into a long dialogue, at the end of which he dies at the place of skulls after engendering two offspring, the progenitors of the Ikshavaku Dynasty"

Krishna:
Crucified on a Tree
Srimad Bhagavatam
Canto 11
Chapter 30
Verse 27-33
"Seeing that Rama had left, Krishna finding a pippala TREE, sat silently down on the lap of the earth...Having the form of a deer's face, HIS FEET WERE THEN PIERCED by an arrow of a hunter named Jara who thought he saw a deer."


Quetzalcoatl
Gods, goddesses, and mythology", Volume 1 By C. Scott Littleton Page 1202
MORNING STAR GOD...

ATTIS
CRUCIFIED ON A TREE, REBIRTH
Dr. David John Tacey (110):
"Especially significant for us is the fact that the Phrygian Attis was crucified upon the tree..."
*Fiction, and the Unconscious Tacey, David John. Patrick White:


*"Passion of Attis," is also related by Professor Merlin Stone:
Roman reports of the rituals of Cybele record that the son...was first tied to a tree and then buried. Three days later a light was said to appear in the burial tomb, whereupon Attis rose from the dead, bringing salvation with him in his rebirth.
Stone, Merlin. "When God was a Woman"

Dr. Andrew T. Fear states:
"The youthful Attis after his murder was miraculously brought to life again three days after his demise. The celebration of this cycle of death and renewal was one of the major festivals of the metroac cult. Attis therefore represented a promise of reborn life and as such it is not surprising that we find representations of the so-called mourning Attis as a common tomb motif in the ancient world."

Attis: Crucified on a Tree
"Pines, high-girdled, in a leafy crest, the favorite of the God's Great Mother (Grata Deum Matri),
since in this TREE Attis Cybelius doffed his human shape and stiffened in it's trunk" -- Ovid Metamorphoses 10.103 (43 BC -- 17 AD)

MITHRAS:
""One of these was the worship of Mithras, an Indo-Aryan deity.. associated with the heavens and light. His cult entered the Roman Empire in the first century BCE and during the formative decades of the Christian movement was a formidable rival to the latter.. Given his solar associations, it made sense to believe that he had been born on the darkest day of the year, the winter solstice. That falls this year on December 21 but the Romans celebrated the birth feast of Mithras on December 25!"
Gary Leupp is Professor of History at Tufts University, and Adjunct Professor of COMPARATIVE Religion.

Dr. Badi Badiozamani states: "a "person" named "Mehr" or Mithra was "born of a VIRGIN named Nahid Anahita ("immaculate") and that "the worship of Mithra and Anahita, the virgin mother of Mithra, was well-known in the Achaemenian period [558-330 BCE]"


DIONYSUS
"Liber the son of Jupiter and Proserpina, was ripped apart by the Titans. Jupiter ground up his heart, put it in a potion, and gave it to Semele to drink. When she became pregnant from this, Juno took the form of Beroe, Semele's nurse and said to her, "dear CHILD, ask Jupiter to come to you as he comes to Juno, so that you may know how great a pleasure it is to lie with a god.Prodded in this fashion, she asked Jupiter to do so and was STRUCK by a thunderbolt. Jupiter took Liber out of her womb and gave him to Nysus to raise. This is why he is called Dionysus and TWICE MOTHERED." HYGINUS FABULAE 167 (1st Century BC) [167] CLXVII. LIBER


This means, 1. Dionysus was placed into the heart of Semele, NOT BY SEXUAL UNION.

―"According to some sources, Mithra's partner and virgin mother is the angel-goddess Anahita…."
*The Pagan Belief that Shaped the Christian World Dr. Payam Nabarz, The Mysteries of Mithras

Gary Leupp Professor of History and Adjunct Professor of Comparative Religion at Tufts University:

*Weekend Edition
December 24/25, 2005
The True Meaning of December 25th

Happy Birthday Mithras!

So why do most Christians observe December 25 as Jesus' birthday? The most plausible answer is that in ancient Rome, as Christianity was emerging as a new faith, its calendar was influenced by other up-and-coming belief systems...


BUDDHA
"The Gospels of Buddha" chapter titled "Walking on Water"
"This stream shall not prevent me. I shall go and see the Blessed One, AND HE STEPPED UPON THE WATER WHICH WAS FIRM UNDER HIS FEET LIKE A SLAB OF GRANITE"

"HE WALKS ON WATER without dividing it, as if on solid ground"
PRIMARY SOURCE-Digha Nikaya Chapter 11 (29 B.C)


"Burkhard Scherer, Reader in Religious Studies at England's Canterbury Christ Church University has stated: "...it is very important to draw attention to the fact that there is [massive] Buddhist influence in the Gospels....Since more than a hundred years, Buddhist influence in the Gospels has been known and acknowledged by scholars from BOTH sides."

"Historian Jerry H. Bentley notes "the possibility that Buddhism influenced the early development of Christianity" and that scholars "have drawn attention to many parallels concerning the births, lives, doctrines, and deaths of the Buddha and Jesus"

History of Religions, Professor E. Washburn Hopkins of Yale goes so far as to say, "Finally, the life, temptation, miracles, parables, and even the disciples of Jesus have been derived directly from Buddhism."

"The Buddha Legend and the Life of Jesus", Professor Rudolf Seydel of the University of Leipzig noted around fifty similarities between Buddhist and Christian parables and teachings.

Dr. Christian Lindtner writes:
"The Sanskrit manuscripts prove without a shadow of doubt:
Everything that Jesus says or does was already said or done by the Buddha.
Jesus, therefore, is a mere literary fiction.
The Last Supper was the Last Supper of the Buddha.
Baptism in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit was baptism in
the name of the Buddha, the Dharma and the Samgha.
All the miracles performed by Jesus had already been performed by the Buddha"

"The twelve disciples of Jesus were, in fact, the twelve disciples of the Buddha.(picture on my page
it was king Gautama—not Jesus—who was crucified.
It was Tathâgata—not Jesus—who was resurrected....
There is nothing in the Gospels, no person, no event, that cannot be traced back
to cognate persons, events or circumstances in the Buddhist gospels.
Jesus is a Buddha disguised as a new Jewish legislator, teacher, Messiah and
king of Israel"

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Dr. Friedrich Max Müller said:
"Between the language of The Buddha and his disciples, and the language of Christ and his apostles, there are strange coincidences. Even some Buddhist legends and parables sound as if taken from the New Testament, though we know that many of them existed before the beginning of the Christian era."


HORUS THE STAR
MISC...LOOK UP
In the early dynastic period (ca. 3000 - 2600 BCE) Horus is explicitly identified as a star. An annal from the first dynasty reign of King Aha bears the name “Festival of the Horus-Star-of-the-Gods.”

Early royal domain names likewise contain reference to the Horus-star. The domain established by Anedjib (also First Dynasty) was called Hr-sb~-ht, “Horus, star of the corporation (of gods).”12 Hetepsekhemwy (Second Dynasty) founded a new domain called Hr-sb~-b~w (Cant get those symbols correct!), “Horus risen as a star.”

Look up the WATCHERS...

Horus SUN GOD
Symposium zur ägyptischen Königsideologie: - Page 46

Rolf Gundlach, John H. Taylor - 2009 -

"That means that the sun-god is the original Horus and the Horus-King on earth is playing the role of the sun-god Horus. The relationship between the sun-god Horus and the King in his aspect as Horus..." (shortly after 3000 BC)

Studies in the cult of Yahweh, Volume 1 By Morton Smith Look up HELIOGNOSTI...and SUN and find out the TRUTH about Christianities ORIGINS..

Origin of the CROSS:
Inman, Thomas. Ancient Pagan and Modern Christian Symbolism, Second Edition. New York: J. W. Bouton, . Page 44

"It is by Egyptologists called the symbol of life. It is also called the 'handled cross,' or crux ansata."

Crux means CROSS

"Egyptian Religion", David P. Silverman, p. 135,

"The Ancient Egyptian Ankh was preserved by the Copts in their representation of the Christian cross, the coptic cross."

The origins of Osiris and his cult - Page 13

John Gwyn Griffiths - 1980 - It is therefore likely that Horus-Sopd as the offspring of Osiris-Orion and Isis-Sothis is an astral concept in the first place...


The angel-messiah of Buddhists, Essenes, and Christians - Page 61
... Seraphim were referred, the argument gains in force, that Zeus, who was called the highest, like Osiris- Wasar... was supposed to be the God inhabiting the Pleiades in Taurus.

Page 167
O Re< make the womb of Nut pregnant with the seed of the spirit...

PALM SUNDAY:
Greek and Egyptian Mythologies - Page 253 Yves Bonnefoy - 1992 -
"I am the flow of blood from the palm branches, which comes from the tomb of the great Osiris. ... I am the god that no one can see or name thoughtlessly. I am the sacred phoenix. I am Crates the saint, also called Marmarayoth"
Journal of the American Oriental Society: Volume 39, Issue 3 - Page 203
American Oriental Society - 1919 -
7), which speaks favorably for our view that the Dd-emblem of Osiris is a PALM- tree. The picture of Osiris (Fig. which was taken to be 'Osiris in his pillar'

The Nile mosaic of Palestrina: early evidence of Egyptian religion in Italy By P. G. P. Meyboom
"See for the palm branch is a symbol of victory over death and revival in the cult of Isis and Osiris"
"Palm Branches were carried in the procession with the new Nile water"

Creation records discovered in Egypt: ... - Page 246
George St. Clair - 1898 -
"Osiris it is. Otherwise said : Ra is his name ; or the phallus it is of Ra which uniteth with himself. ... We remarked just now that the ark-voyage of Osiris terminated at a PALM-tree.2 The soul of Osiris is under a tree, "

Daleth, or, The homestead of the nations, Egypt, illustrated - Page 260
Edward L. Clark - 1864 -
"The many- colored robes were placed by chosen hands upon the statue of Isis, and a pure white garment upon Osiris. PALM-branches and garlands strewed the floor."
PALM.."The sacred tree in Assyrian mythology is a palm that symbolizes Ishtar connecting heaven...Palm stems represented long life to the Ancient Egyptians, and the god Huh was often shown holding a palm stem in one or both hands. The palm tree was a sacred sign of Apollo in Ancient Greece because he had been born under one. In ancient Mesopotamia, the date palm may have represented fertility in humans. The Mesopotamian goddess Inanna, who had a part in the sacred marriage ritual..."


Wiki
"Early Christians used the palm branch to symbolize the victory of the faithful over enemies of the soul,"
"In many Protestant churches, children are given palms, and then walk in procession around the inside of the church"


The religions of the world - Page 43
George Aaron Barton - 1917
"These fortunes are described in the terms of fortunes of the god Osiris.1 It is assumed that the king will become an Osiris. Osiris was a vegetation god (originally a palm-tree god?) like the Semitic Tammuz. Like Tammuz he had a mother..."


"Maybe because there aren't as many women in the sky as men, people saw many different female figures in the stars of Virgo. At different times and for different people she was Ishtar, *ISIS*, Demeter, Athena and Artemis." --- "The Constellations: Stars & Stories" by Christ Sasaki

ATHAR
The Canaanite god of the morning star. After his failure to replace BAAL he is made ruler of the underworld...

"The Egyptians in Rome also had a temple, and their God was Horus. He was symbolically born of a virgin in a stable on December 25th." ---"The Magic Beam" by Hilton Hotema

Early dynastic Egypt - Page 101
Toby A. H. Wilkinson - 1999 - 413 pages -
"The one established by Anedjib was called hr-sb3-ht, 'Horus, star of the corporation' (Petrie 1900: pl. XXVI.63; Emery 1949:95, fig. 55)


*"The Baptism of Pharaoh" by Alan Henderson Gardiner

Early Christian tradition says that Jesus was born in a cave:
Justin Martyr wrote in the second century CE that Jesus was born in a cave. 1

The Gospel of James, a.k.a. Infancy Gospel of James and the Protoevangelium of James, written circa 150 CE described the birth as being in a cave."
religioustolerance.com


"Alternately, the early Christian belief that Yeshua was born in a cave may well be a myth without historical foundation. It may have been a traditional belief imported from Mithraism. A cave was a common female fertility symbol found in many religions worldwide." "There was a firm tradition that Mithras (a.k.a. Mitra, Meitros, Mihr, Mehr, and Meher) was born in a cave. and later as an adult resurrected from a different cave."
religioustolerance.com.

Origen of Alexandria wrote during the second century CE in his book "Against Celsus" that:
"...there is shown at Bethlehem the cave where He was born and the manger in the CAVE where He was wrapped in swaddling-clothes. And this sight is greatly talked of in surrounding places, even among the enemies of the faith, it being said that in this cave was born that Jesus who is worshipped and reverenced by the Christians."
religioustolerance.com


Jesus says, "I and My Father are one. He that seeth Me, seeth Him that sent me."

Osiris says, " I am He of the Djed pillar the son of He of the Djed pillar" Book of the Dead Ch1

"Thus the sun-god Horus receives an injury in his eye.* Osiris is slain and cut in pieces by his hostile brother Set. His son Horus suffers from headache and internal pains;"
Encyclopædia of religion and ethics: Volume 6 - Page 278
James Hastings, John Alexander Selbie, Louis Herbert Gray



LOOK UP--Christian Sybilline

CHRISTIANS PRAY TO THE EAST-
“Others, with greater regard to good manners, it must be confessed, suppose that the sun is the god of the Christians, because it is a well-known fact that we pray towards the east, or because we make Sunday a day of festivity. What then? Do you do less than this? Do not many among you, with an affectation of sometimes worshipping the heavenly bodies likewise, move your lips in the direction of the sunrise?" - Tertullian, Ad Nationes, CHAP. XIII




BREAD AND WINE of the Eucharist.

Horus: 12 Apostles Con't (1)

The Book of Gates Chapter 3 also states that these 12 worshippers of Ra/Horus who "spread Truth upon Earth on his behalf", ALSO "drove away (exorcised) unclean spirits": "They who spoke words of power against Apep (an unclean evil spirit)."

Kingship and the gods: a study of ancient Near Eastern religion as the ...By Henri Frankfort
TRINITY of gods:
Rameses II addressed to his deceased father: "Thou restest in the Netherword as Osiris, while I shine as Re for the people, being upon the Great Throne of Atum, as Horus the son of Isis"

The Oxford Enclyclopedia of Ancient Eygpt 3V By Donald B. Redford
"One of the most disputed of those relationships is the Ramessid Triad Amun-Re-Ptah, which signifies and amalgation of the powers of the three gods in ONE entity. Another important, long lived sycretism (starting in the Old Kingdom) occured between Re and Osiris, that is the fustion of the living god with the dead one. Statements like 'This certain Osiris is arisen as Re" support this view.
Re unifies with his mummy Osiris in the sixth hour of the "Book of that which is in the underworld"


Essays Catholic & critical By Edward Gordon Selwyn Page 17
Gardiner has given reasons for believing that the king there played the part of Horus and not of Osiris, and that "it is only in death that the monarch's transformation from Horus to Osiris was affected"


The origins of Osiris and his cult By John Gwyn Griffiths Page 13
"It is therefore likely that Horus-sopd as the offspring of Osiris-Orion and Isis-Sothis is an ASTRAL CONCEPT in the first place and the Osirian complexion of the idea is secondary, although, as we shall see, the bond between Osiris and Orion was important in one other respect."

Page 129
When the Heliopolitan priesthood made ISIS the mother of Horus the child, they were perhaps consciously varying the early tradition of HATHOR being the mother of Horus but it is clear that the creation of the young Horus arises mythologically from the position resulting rom the identification of Osiris and the King.

"An astral connexion of Osiris and Isis seems to explain an episode concernting the birth of a FORM of Horus. Spell 366 of the Pyramid texts describes the birth of Horus SOPD to Isis in her FORM of Sothis....continued The last sentence is not particlurly Osirian but later (628a) it is said that there come to the thy two sisters Isis and Nephthys; they make the better. It seems likely that the concluding part of the spell refers to Osiris, who is described as BEGETTING Horus-SOPD from Isis-Sothis..."

History of ancient Egypt, Volume 1 By George Rawlinson Page 142
"It was called by the Egyptians Sothiac because they fixed its commencement at the date when the dog star which they called Sothis rose HELIACALLY on the first day of the month THOTH which was the beginning of their year."


History of ancient Egypt, Volume 1 By George Rawlinson
Page 175
"Khons's ordinary titles are, "the great god" the giver of life" and the giver of oracles." He is also called the expeller of spirits from the possessed and the clerk of the divine cycle"
The name Khons or Khonsu is always written phonetically with or without the figure of a bearded god. The forum most commonly assigned to the deity is that of a mummified figure, like the figure of Phthah, but with the lock of hari that charcterizes harpakrat and other young gods, and with the disk and crescent that mark him as a moon deity. In his hands he bears either "the Nilometer," with the crook and whip, like Phthah or a palm branch and pen like Thoth. Occasionally he is represented as HAWK-headed, and is distinguaishable from Horus and Ra only by the crescent and disk which always accompany him...continued...
Khonsu's names: "lord of Sesennu" and "lord of truth." continued... It is his special office to be present in Amenti when souls are judged to see if their deeds weighted in the balance and to record the result. He is also in this world the revealer to men of GOD'S will.
It is also he who in the realms below writes for the good souls with his own fingers "the book of respirations" which protects them, sustains them, enlightens them, gives them life, causes them to breathe with the souls of the gods for ever and ever"

Black Athena: The archaeological and documentary evidence By Martín Bernal
Page 113
"Many scholars from Sethe to Gwyn Griffiths and Lloyd have identified HERAKLES with another Egyptian god, Khonsu. Khonsu was the third in a triad of deities worshipped at Thebes, the father being Amon the mother Mut".
Page 114 Herakles as the victor over Antaios in Libya resembles both Horus and the Egyptian pharoah and Shu."

Page 75 "Similarly, Osiris's murder by his brother Seth and later resurrection and the victory and vengence of his son Horus are closely linked to the seasonal death and revival of good crops and other plants."

TRINITY-page 190
"Of far more practical importance than this division into orders was the curious preference, shown by the Eygptians generally, for worshipping their gods in TRIADS or sets of three.....

"Many temples of Isis were rededicated to Mary, and dozens of titles of Isis were also attached to Mary. Statues of Isis holding Horus have been renamed as statues of Mary holding Jesus. Statues of Isis also have been renamed as representations of Mary the Egyptia, a servant of Mary's, or the third Mary, Mary Magdalene. Isis, too can be known as "The Great Virgin."
*--- "The mysteries of Isis: her worship and magick" by DeTraci Regula

"Christ as "the sun" or "the true sun" is a complex
theme in early Christian writing which has survived
in one or two places in the Latin liturgy even down to modern times. The theme uses a great variety of scriptural passages to develop its mythological
coherence such as Matt. 13:42; 17:2; and Rev. 22:5."
Dr. Thomas O'Loughlin, early Christiany Theologian, University of Wales.


"Putting to use the then-popular method of allegorical theology, some reasoned that Christ must have born on the same day the sun was created. Polycarp (d. 155 AD), for example, suggested that Christ was born on a Wednesday, since the sun was created on the fourth day in Genesis."
Religiousfactsperiodcomforward­slashchristianityforwardslashh­olidaysforwardslashchristmaspe­riodhtm

The history of the princes, the lords marcher, and the ancient ..., Volume 2 By REVEREND Jacob Youde William Lloyd
Page 360 "This is the virgin...who was called ISIS."




The Savior God by Edwin Oliver James...





Conceptions of God in Ancient Egypt: The One by Erik Hornung, John Baines Page 144
Isis conceives Horus by hovering over the DEAD Osiris in the form of a kite.

Akhenaten and the Religion of Light by Erik Hornung, David Lorton
Page 56 "I am the son that emerged from his father, I am the father that emerged from his son" about Horus and Osiris being ONE.
Page 91 Horus was born when his mother did not yet exist.
Read pages 93/94 about the ONE and only god and the trinity.


The Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt: 3V by Donald B. Redford
Page 140 that it says that Isis was his sister-consort a MORTAL and that Osiris was ALWAYS considered a DEAD God and the BA is also mentioned on that page.


"In a change in a passage in Isaiah 7:14 that foretells the coming of Jesus and his birth to a virgin mother, the 1970 edition's reference to "the virgin" will become "the young woman," to better translate the Hebrew word "almah."
Under the news heading:
"New American Bible changes some words such as "holocaust""
By Andrew Stern – Wed Mar 2, 4:32 pm ET



Gilgamesh: Virgin Mother
"Child of Lugal Banda's wife and some great force, Gilgamesh is the finest child of Ninsun; who NEVER LET A MAN TOUCH HER, indeed so pure and heavenly, so without sin."
[Epic of Gilgamesh]

Mithra: Virgin Mother
"Aruru thought of Anu. Then she wet her creative fingers, FASHIONED A ROCK, and tossed it as far as she could into the woods. Thus she FATHERED Enkidu."
[Epic of Gilgamesh 2150BC - 2000BC]
This is why Mithra is called "Theos ek Petras" or "God from the Rock" -- he is another version of Enkidu who was born from the rock created by the Virgin Aruru.

Attis: Virgin Mother Con't
Atti's mother, Nana, is named after the ancient sumerian VIRGIN GODDESS, INANA.
A mythical fragment in a hymn cycle to Inana reads (note: MAIDEN means VIRGIN)
Verses 10-22 "My lady, on your aquiring the stature of Heaven, MAIDEN (VIRGIN ) Inana."
Verses 23-24 "I shall praise the lady of battle, the great child of Suen, MAIDEN (VIRGIN) Inana."

Attis: Virgin Mother
"Zeus let fall in his sleep seed upon the ground, which in the course of time sent up a demon, with two sexual organs, male and female. They called the demon Agdistis. But the gods, fearing Agdsistis, cut off the male organ. There grew up from it an almond-tree with it's fruit ripe, and a daughter of the river Sangarious (NANA) took the fruit and laid it in her bosom. When it at once disappeared she was with a child (Attis)"
[Hermesniax 330 B.C.)

Attis: 3 Day Death and Resurrection
Hilaria was an Ancient Roman solstice festival honouring Attis. It began on EASTER and lasted for 7 days. ON the first days of the festival, Attis' death is mourned and commemorated. 3 DAYS LATER his resurrection is celebrated.


Shaktism: Virgin Mother
"Surya, the SUN, then said: O Beautiful Kunti! IF YOU SATISFY ME YOUR VIRGINITY WILL REMAIN; nobody will come to know and THERE WILL BE BORN A SON TO YOU exactly like me."
(Devi Bhagavatam, The Second Book, Chapter 6, On the Birth of Pandavas Verses 13-35)

Dionysis: December 25th
Brumalia was an ancient roman solstice festival honouring Dionysis, generally held on December 25th. The festival included drinking and merriment. The name is derived from the latin word "bruma", which means "shortest day". In roman festivals, the Brumalia was a feast of Bacchus, celebrated during the space of 30 days, commencing on November 24th.
It was instituted by Romulus, who entertained the Senate during this time.

Buddhism: Star in the East
In the Buddha Karita of Asvaghosa translated by E.B. Cowell, F Max Muller and J. Takakusu Book 1 Verse 25 it states:
"At the time the CONSTELLATION PUSHYA was auspicious, and from the side of the queen who was purified by her vow her son was born for the welfare of the world" (Book 1 Verse 25)

The Constellation Pushya was formerly known as TISHYA, and in various traditions, Sirius, the Star in the East, shares the same title.

Buddhism: Virgin mother
1. Buddhacarita, Asvaghosa. Translated by Conze, E. (1959), [Buddhist Scriptures]
"One day she concieved the fruit of her womb but without any DEFILEMENT (SEX)"

2. (The Life of Buddha Chapter 1)
"My Lord I ask you to respect my austere life. Do not enter the dim forest of desire; allow me to observe the HOLY LAW OF ABSTINENCE"

3. (English translation of the Buddha-karita of Asvaghosa by E.B. Cowell, F. Max Muller and J. Takakusu, Book 1 Verse 19-20) "Then falling from the host of being in the Tushita heaven...the most excellent of Bodhisatvas suddenly ENTERED A THOUGHT WITHIN HER WOMB."

4. (The Gospels of Buddha Chapter 4) "As the Queen of Heaven she lived on Earth UNTAINTED BY DESIRE (SEX) AND IMMACULATE"

Archeology Dictionary: winter solstice

"Literally the sun's standstil. The extreme positions of the sun and midwinter when it's eastern risings and western settings apper to take place in the same position on the horizon for THREE DAYS (Dec 22 -- Dec 24 ) in succession."
These are the 3 darkest days of the year, and symbolized the death of the sun to the ancients. Summer soltice on the otherhand (Aug 22-25) symbolized the sun at full strength...farthest in the North.


LOOK UP: According to the Ikhernofret Stela (2000BC --translated by scholars) Osiris was entomed for the 3 days during the Passion Plays of Osiris and reborn as horus immediatley after. When he was killed by Typhon (Set) his remains were entombed within tthe Djed Pillar. The Djed Pillar in it's symbology and imagery, is combined with the Cross; the imagery shows Osiris' arms outstretched from the CROSS. PICTURE

For the specific number of followers, we have a hieroglyph (illustration) in the tomb of Tuthmosis III, depicting Horus being enthroned before the "Twelve". As highly highly respected Egyptologist, Erick Hornung says: "Horus enthroned before the Twelve, The Seventh Hour of the Amuduat." - The Ancient Egyptian Books of the Afterlife, 48)"
PICTURE


Horus 12 followers (Disicples), of whom he travelled the sky with in allegorical stories (the 12 signs of the zodiac).
The Pyramid Texts state that Horus DID have followers.
Utterances 453-486:
897a. "Thou causest the Followers of Horus to be satisfied."
921a. "The Followers of Horus purify N."

Eucharist, you do no different than that of the Egyptian Religions: Book of Gates Chapter 5
The 12 gods say unto Ra/Horus:-- "Immerse thyself, O Ra, in the holy lake, wherein the lord of the gods immersed himself, whereunto the soul of the dead approach not; this is what thou thyself hast commanded. O KHUTI...Thier food consisteth of BREAD...thier vessels are filled with WINE."


dates
The Book of the Dead (around 1550 BC) to around 50 BC Egyptian
The Book of Gates 1550-c. 1292 BCE Egyptian
Rig Veda 1700–1100 BC Hindu
Epic of Gilgamesh 2150-2000 BCE Sumerian
Enuma Elish 1100 BCE Babylonian
Jesus-4 CE.

"FROM THE TIME OF PAUL, Christian baptism commonly was understood as a death experience and the emergence from the water was taken as the beginning of a new life. Once admitted into the church, Christian INITIATES entered a brotherhood and sisterhood in which, ideally speaking, there is neither Jew nor Greek..." Page 225
*The ancient mysteries: a sourcebook : sacred texts of the mystery religions ... By Marvin W. Meyer


While El is the chief god of the Canaanite pantheon, very little attention is paid to him in the cultic/mythological texts. This is rather common in Middle to Late Bronze Age mythology; the high god is drawn into the background whilst new warrior deities move to centre stage. In Ugarit and much of the Levant this figure is Baal; to the Shasu / Shosu this is Yahweh and his consort, and in Mesopotamia this is Marduk. I. Finkelstein and Neil A. Silberman, The Bible Unearthed


“Every year in the town of Abydos his death and resurrection after THREE DAYS were celebrated in a publicly enacted passion play called ‘The Mysteries of Osiris’” - Bojana Mosjov, Osiris: Death and Afterlife of a God

Marvin Meyer is a scholar of religion and a tenured professor at Chapman University, in Orange, California.
The ancient mysteries: a sourcebook : sacred texts of the mystery religions ... By Marvin W. Meyer
READ CHAPTER 8 which discusses the similarities between Judaism, Christianity and the MYSTERY RELIGIONS. First sentence states what? "ESPECIALLY EARLY CHRISTIANITY SHOWED REMARKABLE SIMILARITIES OF THE MYSTERY RELIGIONS. "


The religious context of EARLY Christianity: a guide to Graeco-Roman religions By Hans-Josef Klauck, Brian McNeil Read page 152. Hans states "In my opinion, the Christian doctrine of the sacraments, in the form in which we know it, would not have arisen up without this interaction; and Christology too understood how to 'take up' the mythical inheritance, purifying it and elevating it."

Drudgery divine: on the comparison of early Christianities and the religions ... By Jonathan Z. Smith on page 23 he says in the "CHRISTIAN MYTH". And he also states "Christian myth compared to OTHER mystery schools"

Proceedings By Society of Biblical Archæology(London,England) page 27
"The OSIRIS ANI is without SIN or reproach as regards us, let it not be permitted that the devourer should seize upon him but let there be given to him the cakes which are displayed in the precence of Osiris and permanent allotment in Sechethotepit like the FOLLOWERS of Horus."


Proceedings By Society of Biblical Archæology(London,England)
Page 28 "Osiris is the sun which set yesterday and has risen again as Ra."

Hebrew & Greek scriptures: compared with Oriental history, dialling, science ...By William Hewson Page 118
"followers of the Messiah."as children of the light and of the day"

Hebrew & Greek scriptures: compared with Oriental history, dialling, science ...By William Hewson
page 111
"This Jewish Lunar Year of the Noah's Ark SYMBOLISM was the Egyptian Cycle of Horus, when that of Osiris muliplied the Hindu week of 9 days by the Divine age of 50 for 450 days of years..."

Osiris Mysteries-These were the annual ceremonies conducted in honor of the god Osiris, sometimes called the Mysteries of Osiris and Isis, passion plays, or mortality plays, and staged in Abydos at the beginning of each year. They are recorded as being observed in teh twelfth dynasty (1991-1783 BCE) but were probably performed for the general populace much earlier.
Dramas were staged in abydos witht he leading roles assigned to high ranking community leaders or to temple priests. The mysteries recounted the life, death, mummification, resurrection and ascension of Osiris and the dramas were part of a pageant that lasted for many days. Egyptians flocked to the celebrations. After the performances, a battle was staged between the FOLLOWERS of Horus and the Followers of Set....Part of the pageant was a procession in which a statue of Osiris, made out of electrum, gold or some other precious material was carried from the temple. An outdoor shrine was erected to recieve the god and to allow the people to gaze upon "the beautiful one"...


Man, myth & magic: an illustrated encyclopedia of the supernatural: Volume 2
Richard Cavendish
"But ritual washing or immersion in water was already an ancient and widespread practice before that time, ... the Pyramid Texts of Egypt, which date from about 2500 BC, that water has both a revivifying and a purifying role"

Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels - Page 55
Joel B. Green, Scot McKnight, I. Howard Marshall
Water is the element naturally used for cleansing the body, and its symbolic use entered into almost every ... The ritual of washing was similar to baptism in its purifying implications

ATTIS BAPTISM...
The Encyclopædia Britannica: a dictionary of arts, sciences, ...: Volume 1 - Page 66
"A bath of bulls' blood was much in vogue as a baptism in the mysteries of Attis. The water must in ritual washings run off ... The same care is shown in ritual ablutions in the Bukovina and elsewhere. Water and fire, spices and sulphur,"


Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels By Joel B. Green Page 55
2. World Religions Baptism is not a distinctive or uniquely Christian idea...
"Hindu rituals in the Ganges River,
Bablyonian cult of Enki
Egyptian practices of purifying newborn children and the symbolic revivification rites performed on the dead."

Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels
By Joel B. Green Ph.D. is Associate Dean for the Center for Advanced Theological Studies and Professor of New Testament Interpretation at Fuller Theological Seminary Page 317
"This means that Hellenistic parallels can be found to MANY features in the Gospels like their understanding of demon possession and of natural phenomena. Sometimes it is hard to tell whether we are dealing with direct Hellenistic influence or a parallel developmetn of ideas. Thus the motif of walking on water is paralleled in the Argonautic saga but may in fact have closer links with the OT ideas of Yahweh's conquest of the unruly sea..."
Page 485
"Yet early in the first century BC at least in the eastern part of the empire, the term kyrios, in the sense of divinity was being applied not only to mythological gods like Seraphis or Osiris but to one particular human being, the Roman emperor."
Page 484
"The term kyrios was used both in religious and secular contexts in the NT era. On the one hand, both national and mystery religions, especially in the East (ie Egypt Syria, Asia Minor, but also in Greece and elsewhere) frequently used the term kyrios or its male equivalent kyria to refer to gods and goddesses such as Isis, Serapis or Osiris. For instance, we have evidence of the use of the term in countless papyri and inscriptions of Serapis"

Page 331-332
"These cults included those of Isis and Serapis from Egypt, of Cybele, the Great Mother, and of Attis. Ancient Greek nature cults such as the Eleusinian and Dionysiac mysteries were revitalized. This was an age of SYNCRETISM when the gods of one people were assimilated to those of another. Greek Gods were identified with their Roman and oriental counterparts, taking on new traits as they did so."

Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels
By Joel B. Green Page 69
"Both the traditional western date for Christmas (December 25) and the date observed by the Armenian Chrurch (January 6th) are equally possible".

"Her husband was a god, not a mortal man..."
To which I, (or English Egyptologist W. M. Flinders Petrie) would respond:
"To the Egyptian the gods might be MORTAL; even Ra, the sun-god is said to have grown old and feeble, Osiris was slain, and Orion, the great hunter of the heavens, killed and ate gods. - "The religion of ancient Egypt" by W. M. Flinders Petrie - English Egyptologist


"The birth of Christ was assigned the date of the winter solstice (December 25 in the Julian calendar, January 6 in the Egyptian), because on this day, as the Sun began its return to northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithras celebrated the Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (Birthday of the Invincible Sun). On December 25, 274, [Roman Emperor] Aurelian had proclaimed the Sun God the principal patron of the Empire and dedicated a temple to Him in the Campus Martius. Christmas originated at a time when the cult of the Sun was particularly strong at Rome."
-- New Catholic Encyclopaedia (Vol. III, p.656, 1967 ed.)

In the Synoptic Sayings Source [Q source], "Christological titles for Jesus are strikingly absent [scholar-speak for 'Jesus is never called Christ']"
-- Helmut Koester, Introduction to the New Testament, vol 2, History and Literature of Early Christianity

Tons of Christian info.
http://freetruth.50webs.org/B3a.htm

Mithra picture
http://books.google.com/books?id=IvlS4k ... in&f=false

Mithra virgin mother
http://looklex.com/e.o/mithra.htm

Mithra's virgin mother
The mysteries of Mithras: the pagan belief that shaped the Christian world By Payam Nabarz Page 4
http://books.google.com/books?id=OltMzI ... ta&f=false

Mithra birthdate December 25th
The mysteries of Mithras: the pagan belief that shaped the Christian world By Payam Nabarz Page 57
http://books.google.com/books?id=OltMzI ... 25&f=false

Mithra god of light...
http://books.google.com/books?id=d15ptX ... ra&f=false

Mithra
In Rome: 67BC Gods, goddesses, and mythology, Volume 1 By C. Scott Littleton, Marshall Cavendish Corporation Page 894
http://books.google.com/books?id=d15ptX ... ra&f=false

The mysteries of Mithras: the pagan belief that shaped the Christian world By Payam Nabarz
Page 12..."In the west, Mithras influenced Christianity, and in the east, Mithra was fused with Islamic lore and became part of the mystical branch of Islam Sufism."
Payam Nabarz- a Persian-born Sufi and practicing Dervish, holds a Ph.D. from Oxford University


Mithra born of the virgin goddess Anahita
Shadows in the desert: ancient Persia at war By Kaveh Farrokh Page 191
http://books.google.com/books?id=p7kltw ... ta&f=false

Mithraic Studies
"Modern knowledge of the significance of the rites is heavily dependent upon the philosopher Porphyry and on the hostile accounts of Christians. Tertullian (de praescriptione haereticorum, 40) denounced the mysteries as a parody, of the Christian sacraments,"

http://ldysinger.stjohnsem.edu/@texts/0 ... _start.htm


Pictures of Saviors...
http://web.archive.org/web/200712291257 ... aviors.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/200712220139 ... viors2.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/200712261343 ... viors3.htm

Osiris Djed
http://a10.idata.over-blog.com/500x732/ ... d/ani1.jpg


Christians stating the same thing:
http://www.abbaswatchman.com/PAGE%206%2 ... fined.html

BA- Both the Ba and the anh were often depicted as BIRDS, reflecting the greater freedom of movement that spirits enjoyed over earth bound mortals.


"Sirius revives the Nile just as Isis revived Osiris. Her time in hiding from Set is when Sirius is gone from the nigth sky. She gives birth to her son Horus, as Sirius gives birth to the new year and in texts Horus and the new year are equated. "

The ancient Egyptian pyramid texts By James P. Allen, Peter Der Manuelian Page 127
"This Pepi Shall Emerge on the eastern side of the sky where the gods are born, and this Pepi shall be born {as} Horus, as him of the Akhet, for [this Pepi is justified] and the ka of Pepi is justified. Sothis is Pepi's sister, the morning god is Pepi's sibling."

Page 161 in Faulkners version.


Sothis (Spdt "Sharp) The morning star, Sirius, seen by the Egyptians as the goddess. In Egypt the star disappears below the horizon once a year for a period of some seventy days; its reappearance in midsummer marked the beginning of the annual inundation and the Egyptian year. The star's rising was also seen as a harbringer of the sunrise and therefore associated with Horus in his solar aspect, occasionally specified as Horus in Sothis, Sothic Horus or Sharp Horus.

Dionysus
Pre-Christian?
[url="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/164280/Dionysus "]Linear B Tablet states 13th Century BCE[/url]
Also note Liber=Dionysus=Bacchus

Bacchus: a biography By Andrew Dalby Page 139
"These facts would not matter so much now-after all, many Greek cities held their public festivals honouring Dionysus, and many Greek cities had vast open air theatres - but about 40 of the plays that were presented at Athens in the fith and fourth centuries BC can still be read today."

22. Born of a virgin
"Liber the son of Jupiter and Proserpina, was ripped apart by the Titans. Jupiter ground up his heart, put it in a potion, and gave it to Semele to drink. When she became pregnant from this, Juno took the form of Beroe, Semele's nurse and said to her, "dear child, ask Jupiter to come to you as he comes to Juno, so that you may know how great a pleasure it is to lie with a god.Prodded in this fashion, she asked Jupiter to do so and was struck by a thunderbolt. Jupiter took Liber out of her womb and gave him to Nysus to raise. This is why he is called Dionysus and twice mothered." HYGINUS FABULAE 167 (1st Century BC) [167] CLXVII. LIBER
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Euripides, Volume 1 By Euripides
"They particularly insist on the preternatural birth of Dionysus from Semele, on which doubts had been impiously cast by Pentheus. They implore Thebes, the birthpace of Semele, not to reject the holy rites; and predict , with the usual entheusasm of religious votaries that the whole earth will soon be converted to the new worship."

The essential Edmund Leach, Volumes 1-2 edited by Stephen Hugh-Jones, James Alexander Laidlaw Page 108
"In contrast the miraculous birth of divine or semi-divine heros is a characteristic of the mythology of the higher civilisations. Dionysus son of Zeus is born of a mortal virgin, Semele who later became immortalised through the intervention of her divine son; Jesus the sun of god, is born of a mortal virgin, Mary, who...; such stories can be duplicated over and over again. They do not indicate ignorance".
Dr Stephen Hugh-Jones Oral narratives, ritual, shamanism and religion; human - animal relations and ecological anthropology; kinship and the anthropology of architecture; cultural politics and indigenous movements; linguistic anthropology and Amerindian languages; Latin/South America; fieldwork in Colombian Amazonia.

23. Born on Dec 25th

The Harvard theological review, Volume 8 By Harvard Divinity School Page 108
At first in the East the Nativity (of Jesus) was celebrated on the same day as the Feast of Baptism (January 6) the ancient Feast of the Ephiphay of Dionysus. Later in Rome and the West it was celebrated on December 25, the Julian winter solstice or Dies invincti solis.
Note on page 108 in the note 20
The feast of ***(virgin mother of Dionysus) was celebrated on January 6th.

24. Performed miracles
See 25 Page 164 Changing water into wine and other nature MIRACLES by Wendy Cotter...

25. Turned water into wine (not visible on the list, but the voice-over says it)

Euripides, Volume 1 By Euripides Page 416
"But he, the son of Semele, took the opposite course; he invented the liquid drought of the grapes and introduced it to mortals"

Miracles in Greco-Roman antiquity: a sourcebook By Wendy Cotter page 164
Diodorus Siculus (wrote 60-30 BCE)
Diodorus Siculus, the Library of History 3.66.3
"The teans advance as proof that the god [Dionysus] was born among them the fact that, even to this day, at fixed times in their city a fountain of wine of unusally sweet fragrance, flows of its on accord from the earth; and as for the people of the other cities, they in some cases point out a plot of land which is sacred to Dionysus, in other cases shrines and sacred precincts which have been consecrated to him from ancient times...."
Dr. Wendy Cotter, CSJ is a Sister of Saint Joseph from London, Ontario Canada, and a tenured Associate Professor of Scripture in the Theology Department of Loyola



26. "King of Kings"

27. "Alpha and Omega"

28. "God's only begotten son" (not visible on the list, but the voice-over says it)
History of the Literature of Ancient Greece By Karl Otfried Müller Page 237
"According to them, Dionysus-Zagreus was a son of Zeus, whome he had begotton, in the form of a dragon, upon his daughter Cora-Persephone, before she was carried off to the kingdom of shadows."

"Pallus, however, succeded saving his palpitating heart, which was swallowed by Zeus in a drink. As the ancients considered the heart the seat of life, Dionysus was again contained in Zeus, and again begotten by him."
Karl Otfried Müller was a German scholar and Philodorian, or admirer of ancient Sparta, who introduced the modern study of Greek mythology.
His university education was partly in Breslau (now Wrocław) and partly in Berlin. In Berlin, he was spurred towards the study of Greek literature, art and history by the influence of Philipp August Böckh. In 1817, after the publication of his first work, Aegineticorum liber, on the Aeginetans, he received an appointment at the Magdaleneum in Breslau, and in 1819 he was made adjunct professor of ancient literature at the University of Göttingen, his subject being the archaeology and history of ancient art.

29. Resurrected
The goddess Eostre
April 24, 2011 by Bill
"Other resurrected gods of that period before Jesus were Attis and Mithra, sacrificed at the Spring equinox, and then rising and ascending to heaven. Other gods of that period who were eaten in the form of bread or wafers included Adonis and Dionysus, among many others, especially the Egyptian Osiris, whom the Egyptians called “the good shepherd,” “the Lord of Lords,” the King of Kings,” “the resurrection and the life.” Osiris was only one of many god-men who suffered, died, rose again and lived eternally in heaven. Human beings believed in resurrection and eternal life after death at least 150,000 years before Jesus was ever born. This sharing of iconic stories is called “mythological diffusion.”
http://williamedelen.org/archives/2726#more-2726
Bill Edelen Oklahoma State University where he received the Bachelor of Science degree in Horticulture and Biology. He then entered McCormick Theological Seminary (on the campus of the University of Chicago) where he received his Masters degree in Theology.
Two years graduate studies in anthropology, University of Colorado.
Lecturer of religion and anthropology, University of Puget Sound, Tacoma, Washington
Weekly columnist for many western newspapers
Special studies with Joseph Campbell, whom the New York Times called “The pre-eminent scholar in Comparative Religions and Mythology.”
Active ordained Presbyterian and Congregational minister, 30 years

The myth and ritual theory: an anthology By Robert Alan Segal Page 98
"Can we, for example, argue that the *** of Dionysus was the same in kind as that of Osiris? Yes, Herodotus again is explicit. He says of the Osiris feast in the month Athyr..."
At any rate of the gist of the*** was the same. Thus we may conclude that the fate of Dionysus , in Herodotus was the same. Thus we may conclude that the fate of Dionysus, in Herodotus' time as well as later, was a Sparagmos; doubtless he had, like the other Year-Daimons, a very special enemy; was torn in pieces, scattered over the fields, lost, sought for, discovered and recognized, just as Osiris was. ..."
*** = words in another language
Page 101
Now, when we remember that Pentheus is only another form of Dionysus himself-like Zagreus, Orpheus, Osiris and the other daimons who are torn in pieces and put together again-we can see that Bacchae is simply the old Sacer Ludus itself, scacely changed at all, except for the doubling of the hero into himself and his enemy."
Page 167-That this Thracian play held int he spring just before Lent was the dramatization of the Dionysiac celebrated in ancient Greece at Athens in the end of February is suggested by the wonder-child born of an unmarried mother and laid in a winnowing fan, or liknon, as Dionysos was called Liknites, "he of the cradle".

Page 71
"In the case before us we have a uniform ritual of the elements of which we have disentangled-the armed dance over the child, the mimic of death and rebirth' but the myth shifts; it is told variously of Zagreus, Dionysus, Zeus, and there is every variety of detal as to how the child is mimetically killed and how the resurrection is effected..."
Professor Robert Segal - University of Aberdeen
BA (Wesleyan University), MA, PhD (Princeton University)

The Ante-Nicene Fathers: The Writings of the Fathers Down to A.D. 325 Volume ... By Reverend Alexander Rober, Sir James Donaldson And Arthur Cleveland Coxe
'The last of these was Horus the son of Osiris, called by the Greeks Apollo. He disposed Typhon and ruled over Egypt as its last god-king. Osiris is named Dionysus (Bacchus) by the Greeks. Almost all of the names of the gods came into Greece from Egypt"
Apollo was the son of Dionysus and Isis, as Herodotus likewise affirms: According to the Egyptians, Apollo and Diana are the children of Bacchus and Isis; while Latona is their nurse and their perserver"

The 'Orphic' Gold Tablets and Greek Religion: Further Along the Path - Page 325
Radcliffe G. Edmonds, III -
Indeed, according to another Argive myth Dionysus entered Hades from a lake at Lerna, when he went down to find his mother Semele and bring her back to the upper world as a goddess.49 Here the equation of water and Hades is explicit, ...
Professor Radcliffe G. Edmonds III
Associate Professor, Department of Greek, Latin, & Classical Studies
Bryn Mawr College


Bacchus: a biography By Andrew Dalby
Page 149
"Bacchus needing to ask Herakles the way to the Underworld, when he goes there to bring the poet Euripides back to life in 405 BC even though he also went there to bring his mother Semele to live on Mount Olympos a thousand years before...."
Dalby studied Latin, French and Greek at the Bristol Grammar School and University of Cambridge. Here he also studied Romance languages and linguistics, earning a bachelor's degree in 1970. After his time at Cambridge, Dalby worked in London helping to start the library at Regent's College and on renovating another library at London House (Goodenough College). He also served as Honorary Librarian of the Institute of Linguists, for whose journal The Linguist he writes a regular column. He later did a part-time Ph.D. at Birkbeck College, London in ancient history (in 1987-93), which improved his Latin and Greek.

You got your work cut out for you, it seems. I still think anything involving KD8 is like chasing the wind.

KingDavid8 runs away again-

^See that here.

And hell, THIS isn't even the debate that ChangingMyself was referring to here in the o.p. of this thread, that one hasn't even started yet. So how is KD8 supposed to handle meat when he can't even handle milk?

And you need to hold him to that statement, CM, and remember that he said he will not reply to you again in that FORUM. Not just the specific thread you're in right now, but the entire FORUM. Which means he also can't reply to you when begin your thread presenting all the evidence you have collected.

His responses are all the same ones he tried to bring up here. Which amazes me. He KNOWS they're wrong, he got refuted on them and retreated into the night, even burning the bridge behind him(removing the link to our thread here).
Yet he has the audacity to keep rehashing that same bullshit! Well no matter, as ChangingMyself has kept spanking his ass back down over at SkepticFriends as well, and with the same result- KD8 running away with his fingers in his ears.

So kudos to CM.