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Ecological Apocalypse: Why Are All The Bees Dying?
GM, toxic chemicals, chemtrails destroying eco-system, threatening very survival of humanity

Paul Joseph Watson
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Tuesday, April 10, 2007

The alarming decline in bee populations across the United States and Europe represents a potential ecological apocalypse, an environmental catastrophe that could collapse the food chain and wipe out humanity. Who and what is behind this flagrant abuse of the eco-system?

Many people don't realize the vital role bees play in maintaining a balanced eco-system. According to experts, if bees were to become extinct then humanity would perish after just four years.

"If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man," said Albert Einstein.

Others would say four years is alarmist and that man would find other food sources, but the fact remains that the disappearance of bees is potentially devastating to agriculture and most plant life.

Reports that bee populations are declining at rates of up to 80% in areas of the U.S. and Europe should set alarm bells ringing and demand immediate action on behalf of environmental organizations. Experts are calling the worrying trend "colony collapse disorder" or CCD.

"Bee numbers on parts of the east coast and in Texas have fallen by more than 70 percent, while California has seen colonies drop by 30 to 60 percent," reports AFP.

"Approximately 40 percent of my 2,000 colonies are currently dead and this is the greatest winter colony mortality I have ever experienced in my 30 years of beekeeping," apiarist Gene Brandi, from the California State Beekeepers Association, told Congress recently.

The article states that U.S. bee colonies have been dropping since 1980 and the number of beekeepers have halved.

Scientists are thus far stumped as to what is causing the decline, ruling out parasites but leaning towards some kind of new toxin or chemical used in agriculture as being responsible. "Experts believe that the large-scale use of genetically modified plants in the US could be a factor," reports Germany's Spiegal Online.

Bee populations throughout Germany have simultaneously dropped 25% and up to 80% in some areas. Poland, Switzerland and Spain are reporting similar declines. Studies have shown that bees are not dying in the hive, something is causing them to lose their sense of orientation so that they cannot return to the hive. Depleted hives are not being raided for their honey by other insects, which normally happens when bees naturally die in the winter, clearly suggesting some kind of poisonous toxin is driving them away.

"In many cases, scientists have found evidence of almost all known bee viruses in the few surviving bees found in the hives after most have disappeared. Some had five or six infections at the same time and were infested with fungi -- a sign, experts say, that the insects' immune system may have collapsed."

A study at the University of Jena from 2001 to 2004 showed that toxins from a genetically modified maize variant designed to repel insects, when combined with a parasite, resulted in a "significantly stronger decline in the number of bees" than normal.

"According to Hans-Hinrich Kaatz, a professor at the University of Halle in eastern Germany and the director of the study, the bacterial toxin in the genetically modified corn may have "altered the surface of the bee's intestines, sufficiently weakening the bees to allow the parasites to gain entry -- or perhaps it was the other way around. We don't know."

Kaatz was desperate to continue his studies but funding was cut off.

While we are lectured by government to change our lifestyle and cough up more taxes for the supposed peril of man-made global warming, an environmental catastrophe that could eliminate the human race in the figurative blink of an eye is looming.

Why are major environmental groups and lobbyists ignoring this mammoth threat to our very existence? Where is Greenpeace?

The hyperbole surrounding man-made global warming is swallowing up all the attention while real dangers like the rapid die-off of bee populations and its link to GM food is largely shunned by governments and activist foundations.

Is it a stretch to hypothesize that government mandated spraying of crops with deadly chemicals as well as toxic substances contained in chemtrails could be part of a deliberate program to eliminate the bee population? Or is this just another example of big business flagrantly abusing the eco-system in order to drive up profits?

The elite have publicly stated their desire to significantly reduce world population on numerous occasions. Just yesterday we featured a story about a British Government Ministry of Defence report that postulated on the future use of bio-weapons to thin the human population in under 30 years.

Making bees all but extinct would be a swift and plausibly deniable method of enacting global population reduction long dreamed of by the maniacal sociopaths that control the world.

Either way, this issue represents an overwhelming threat to the food chain and an environmental crime of the highest order, for which the perpetrators need to be brought up on charges of accessories to genocide, should a deliberate effort to endanger the food chain be proven, and the chemicals responsible immediately banned.

Please circulate this article to environmental groups and demand they investigate who and what is killing our bees!

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Don't worry, we're going to have a rock concert in July for global warming, so everything will be just fine. CO2 is the only thing we need to worry about right now.

They can make genetically modified "round-up ready bees" and sell each bee in a colony for $5 to farmers who want their crops to pollenate.

Monsanto and our government are watching out for our best interests and would never let anything bad happen to us. :twisted:


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Why the need for the sarcasm? These two issues are not mutually exclusive. Nor are they competitive. I doubt that the polar bears dying from global warming are concerned about the bees dying from the same toxins on the ground.

This is really a silly debate.

We have a problem with the planet caused by pollution, wherever it may lie. At this point, we may wish to head for the hills.

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Don't worry, we're going to have a rock concert in July for global warming, so everything will be just fine. CO2 is the only thing we need to worry about right now.

They can make genetically modified "round-up ready bees" and sell each bee in a colony for $5 to farmers who want their crops to pollenate.

Monsanto and our government are watching out for our best interests and would never let anything bad happen to us. :twisted:

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By 2050 Warming to Doom Million Species, Study Says

By 2050, rising temperatures exacerbated by human-induced belches of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases could send more than a million of Earth's land-dwelling plants and animals down the road to extinction, according to a recent study.

According to the researchers' collective results, the predicted range of climate change by 2050 will place 15 to 35 percent of the 1,103 species studied at risk of extinction. The numbers are expected to hold up when extrapolated globally, potentially dooming more than a million species.

As global warming interacts with other factors such as habitat-destruction, invasive species, and the build up of carbon dioxide in the landscape, the risk of extinction increases even further, they say.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... ction.html

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You're right Acharya, I shouldn't bring GW into this thread because that isn't what is killing the bees. I had just read his other thread about the concerts and apparently I was feeling quite sarcastic when I made that post.

Germany already has determined that it is the most likely genetically modified corn stripping their intestinal walls.

I really do think that Monsanto will engineer round-up ready bees, though.

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Why the need for the sarcasm? These two issues are not mutually exclusive. Nor are they competitive.
MindFork wrote:
Don't worry, we're going to have a rock concert in July for global warming, so everything will be just fine. CO2 is the only thing we need to worry about right now.

They can make genetically modified "round-up ready bees" and sell each bee in a colony for $5 to farmers who want their crops to pollenate.

Monsanto and our government are watching out for our best interests and would never let anything bad happen to us. :twisted:


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Honestly, who cares about the bees - I'm allergic to them anyway. One sting & I'm dead. If you need bees so badly then, just clone them. We can grow our food hydroponically. In fact, we'd probably be better off. (sarcasm)

While it may be true that, "Germany already has determined that is the most likely genetically modified corn stripping their intestinal walls." It doesn't mean that that is the same around the planet.

Bees are not the only species going dead on us. We're actually loosing several species to extinction nearly everyday now. While the pollution issues mentioned in the original thread are a very important, so is global warming. It is every bit as important, if not more so. We could clone bees & many other species but we can't clone the very sensitive ecosystem. They don't make that in factories. When it's gone, EVERYTHING DIES. After we take care of the CO2 problem then, we can focus on all those other pollution issues - or all at the same time is fine by me.

My point is, saving bees will not, in any sense, stop the climate change of global warming. We should be efficient in our efforts, not make foolish attempts to save this species or that by ignoring another root problem - CO2. Trying to save this species or that one at a time keeps us on a tangent from the real problem we face. Folks must surely see the much larger picture here - if the planetary ecosystem collapses due to CO2 & other causes, EVERYTHING DIES.

"Call of Life: Facing the Mass Extinction" VIDEO
http://www.speciesalliance.org/video.php

"Human beings are currently causing the greatest
mass extinction of species since the extinction of
the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. If present trends
continue one half of all species of life on earth will
be extinct in less than 100 years, as a result of
habitat destruction, pollution, invasive species,
and climate change" i.e. GLOBAL WARMING
http://www.well.com/user/davidu/extinction.html

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I just told Acharya I wouldn’t drag GW into this thread…oh well.

GW isn't causing the bees to die. If you look at a real temperature graph that wasn't manipulated by the UN's IPCC to get rid of the medieval warm period, such as this one, you will see that our ecosystem was fine at a higher temperature than we have now: Image (From this url: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... warm05.xml)

Bees, polar bears and the rest of the species on our planet survived the medieval warm period just fine. Simple logic would deduce that it is something OTHER than CO2 and warming killing the bees. Pesticides and GMO are the most likely suspects and the German research agrees.

Any effort to preserve honeybess is FAR from foolish, and automatically assuming that GW is the “root problem” of their deaths just shows a lack of critical thinking.

But I would prefer to keep the GW debate in the other thread where we have already been hashing it out: http://forums.truthbeknown.com/viewtopi ... =3465#3465


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Good work Mindfork, for providing us with a graph paid for by the fossil fuel industry.

It's very difficult to discuss species extinction without also discussing global warming. That would be another exemple of the 'massive denial machine' we've been talking about in the other thread & certainly displays a very serious 'lack of critical thinking'.

"More than 100 nations in the U.N. climate panel agreed a final text after all-night talks during which some scientists accused governments of watering down conclusions that climate change was already under way and damaging nature."

More than 100 nations agreed.

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Out of all the articles on this topic, why do we get the one from the dishonest whack-job stereotype perpetuators at Prison Planet?

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Depleted hives are not being raided for their honey by other insects, which normally happens when bees naturally die in the winter, clearly suggesting some kind of poisonous toxin is driving them away.


Electromagnetic radiation, parasites, and other causes could exist, and they're not being driven away; they're being killed.

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deadly chemicals as well as toxic substances contained in chemtrails


Are there any convincing resources for widespread use of "chemtrails"? Most of the idiots complaining of chemtrails point to normal contrails and parrot the nonsense they hear from sites like prison planet.

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The elite have publicly stated their desire to significantly reduce world population on numerous occasions.


Name names, how many out of how many? Is it a group conspiracy, or just some nuts expressing their opinions only to have them sensationalized by this whack-job site?

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Just yesterday we featured a story about a British Government Ministry of Defence report that postulated on the future use of bio-weapons to thin the human population in under 30 years.


Lets ignore that they're already using radiation, and chemical weapons.

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It is VERY EASY to discuss the potential extinction of honey bees, which are the single most important part of our food chain, without discussing global warming, because warming is not killing them.

Since you don’t believe the graph (by the way, BOTH of them were from the IPCC, but the hockey stick is the revised version), then history is another source of information. In brief, during the medieval warm period England was warm enough to have vineyards. That means bees were just fine (they pollinate grape vines) and so were all of the other species that are alive today.

Please read the article in my previous post and then do some research to see if you can find *any* SCIENTIFIC refutation of the information presented in that article.

To be clear, a knee-jerk reaction of “that was paid for by the oil industry” is NOT a scientific rebuttal. That is just a straw-man to kick down, especially since BILLIONS of dollars a year are spent to “prove” that CO2 is the worst, most dangerous pollutant on earth, and any scientist who challenges the CO2 theory loses their funding.


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"bees, which are the single most important part of our food chain"

- LOL, how much are they paying you mindfork?

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Freethinkaluva22 wrote:
"bees, which are the single most important part of our food chain"

- LOL, how much are they paying you mindfork?


THAT is the sum of your response to all the points I made in my last post? It’s getting harder and harder to refer to you as “free thinker.”

No bees = TOTAL collapse of our food supply. No more fruits, tree grown nuts, most vegetables, most grains…all gone. No problem, we’ll just eat meat…right? Livestock is largely fed legumes and grains, so we’re in trouble there, too.

Next time, do some research instead of going with your automaton response of “You are being paid by an oil company.”

You're clearly not willing to do any research nor can you be bothered to challenge your own beliefs. You’re too lazy to see if there are any scientific rebuttals to the article I posted, much less to even read it because it *might* challenge what you believe in.

Please continue to ignore that the medieval warm period is historical fact. By all means, please continue to avoid doing any research into areas that you aren’t knowledgeable in, sine it is MUCH easier to blindly trust the IPCC and Al Gore, then accuse anybody who presents information that you’re not familiar with of being paid by the oil industry.

Enjoy your comfortable little bubble of ignorance and regurgitated global warming hyperbole. After all, so many people are on the bandwagon that it must be the right thing to do.


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LOL, lighten-up mindfork, it appears you're taking my comments too seriously & personal. You may hold back on the character assassinations though.

As madthumb said, "Out of all the articles on this topic, why do we get the one from the dishonest whack-job stereotype perpetrators at Prison Planet?"

I just don't buy into the load of crap that bees are the top of the food chain. They've been disappearing for years now. I don't see any shortage of food or flowers as there seemed to be plenty for easter.

Interesting that the IPCC never mentioned anything about the bees. While I don't want to see any species die off, I'm more interested in the much larger picture beyond any one specific species.

"Researchers at Bristol University have discovered that a mere 6 degrees of global warming was enough to wipe out up to 95 per cent of the species which were alive on earth at the end of the Permian period, 250 million years ago.

United Nations scientists from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predict up to 6 degrees of warming for the next 100 years if nothing is done about emissions of greenhouse gases, principally carbon dioxide, the chief cause of global warming.

The Permian mass extinction is now thought to have been caused by gigantic volcanic eruptions that triggered a runaway greenhouse effect and nearly put an end to life on Earth."
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/06/ ... 40526.html

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Freethinkaluva22 wrote:
LOL, lighten-up mindfork, it appears you're taking my comments too seriously & personal. You may hold back on the character assassinations though.
You’ve said I’m “out of my mind” and I said you’re lazy. Hardly an assassination either way, but I will instead say that your arguments are lazy and you seem entirely unwilling to look at any information that might be outside of your belief system’s box.

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As madthumb said, "Out of all the articles on this topic, why do we get the one from the dishonest whack-job stereotype perpetrators at Prison Planet?"
Although their writers are prone to exaggerate their own importance, sites like that provide news that you’re not going to get on CNN. But here are some bee death stories from everywhere else: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bees+dying

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I just don't buy into the load of crap that bees are the top of the food chain. They've been disappearing for years now. I don't see any shortage of food or flowers as there seemed to be plenty for easter.
That is an astoundingly ignorant and short-sighted statement. Here is a VERY SHORT piece on the importance of bees in the food chain written 10 years ago when they first started dying off, but in FAR less numbers than they are now. Read it then tell me what a “load of crap” bees are in the food chain. http://queenbeejan.com/beeseeds.htm

I’m probably wasting my words on you, and you probably won’t read it, but I keep holding onto hope that you’ll read something besides an IPCC report.

Freethinkaluva22 wrote:
Interesting that the IPCC never mentioned anything about the bees. While I don't want to see any species die off, I'm more interested in the much larger picture beyond any one specific species.
It is precisely because your “larger picture” is coming exclusively from the IPCC that you have such a narrow view.

Freethinkaluva22 wrote:
"Researchers at Bristol University have discovered that a mere 6 degrees of global warming was enough to wipe out up to 95 per cent of the species which were alive on earth at the end of the Permian period, 250 million years ago.
Yet the medieval warm period was warmer than that and everything survived.

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United Nations scientists from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predict up to 6 degrees of warming for the next 100 years if nothing is done about emissions of greenhouse gases, principally carbon dioxide, the chief cause of global warming.
Yet their only solutions are taxes…not actually doing anything productive, and they fail to address all of the other forms of pollution harming our planet.


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Although their writers are prone to exaggerate their own importance, sites like that provide news that you’re not going to get on CNN. But here are some bee death stories from everywhere else:


Total bullshit. All they do there is sensationalize popular news and fabricate stories for people who would otherwise be watching WWE, and beating their wives. They are Bushwhackers that pin everything on the puppets just like mainstream ZIonist owned media.

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I could keep adding to that page indefinitely.. but it doesn't do much good when most of his fans are barely literate, and totally lack reading comprehension or rational thought.

Bees are not the only insects that contribute to pollination, but they're not the only insects dropping dead right?

The hockey stick graph makes for nice political propaganda.. that's about it.

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