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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:46 am 
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In the original article, it doesn't appear that Albert Einstein ever said, "If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man."

Albert Einstein was a theoretical physicist - he was not a plant biologist or even an agricultural scientist. Thus his comments on this question do not carry much authority. For instance, the 'four year' catastrophic scenario mentioned cannot be taken seriously.

It is a significant story, but so far, we really don't have anything but raw data.

Bees dying? Yes.
Bad? Sure.
How bad? We don't know yet.
Catastrophic? No idea.
End of the world? Probably not.


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I don't think it would be 4 years either, and I'm not sure Einstein ever said that.


It might take 10 years...


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Einstein was a nut. Just another Jew who they attributed false claims to. Do you hear about Nikola Tesla in school? - Maybe cause he wasn't Jewish.

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Just wanted to state that I concur it appears we have a serious problem with the bees. Again, I don't see it as an "either-or" proposition. We have trouble on multiple fronts.

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I just told Acharya I wouldn’t drag GW into this thread…oh well.

GW isn't causing the bees to die. If you look at a real temperature graph that wasn't manipulated by the UN's IPCC to get rid of the medieval warm period, such as this one, you will see that our ecosystem was fine at a higher temperature than we have now: Image (From this url: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... warm05.xml)

Bees, polar bears and the rest of the species on our planet survived the medieval warm period just fine. Simple logic would deduce that it is something OTHER than CO2 and warming killing the bees. Pesticides and GMO are the most likely suspects and the German research agrees.

Any effort to preserve honeybess is FAR from foolish, and automatically assuming that GW is the “root problem” of their deaths just shows a lack of critical thinking.

But I would prefer to keep the GW debate in the other thread where we have already been hashing it out: http://forums.truthbeknown.com/viewtopi ... =3465#3465

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Are mobile phones wiping out our bees?

-Here's another scare-mongering theory to create countless threads about while ignoring provable and solvable issues.

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Scientists claim radiation from handsets are to blame for mysterious 'colony collapse' of bees


-Backed by scientists! That proves it! :roll:

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Are Cell Phones Killing Bees?

Where are the real issues? Why are we hyping apparent diversions?

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The problem: Colony Collapse Disorder

Symptoms: workers lose social programming conditioning for brood care and foraging.

Cause: change in endocrine activity, in queen and in workers

Possible chemical drivers:

1. newer nicotine based insecticides
2. newer bee handling agents
3. fewer large experienced commercial operations, many small operations with inexperienced apiary management (poor sanitation).
4. Inexperienced apiary businesses attempting to relocate bees faster and farther that is biologically prudent (for homing instinct preservation).

Confounding factor (previously mentioned): thermal stress resulting in immune impairment, expansion of parasitic infection range.

Recent science:

Identification of the genes and products regulating dopamine-driven social behavior common to social insect communities (ants, wasps, bees).

Critical symptom resulting in hypothesis of cause and effect:

Abandoned hives are NOT predated upon by moths, adjacent hives (normal behavior is to scavenge honey from empty hives). Its an endogenous agent.

Likely target compounds: volatile fatty acids in "natural bee control agents" used as aggression passivators.

Appropriate officials have been notified.


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Fears for crops as shock figures from America show scale of bee catastrophe

The world may be on the brink of biological disaster after news that a third of US bee colonies did not survive the winter

Disturbing evidence that honeybees are in terminal decline has emerged from the United States where, for the fourth year in a row, more than a third of colonies have failed to survive the winter.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... s-collapse

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Freethinkaluva22 wrote:
Bees dying? Yes.
Bad? Sure.
How bad? We don't know yet.
Catastrophic? No idea.
End of the world? Probably not.


Made me smile, :) . And unfortunately the closest to truth discussion can lead to when it comes to understanding the things we do not fully understand, and answer to unknown outcome of unknown events.

And as Acharya says, trouble on multiple fronts.

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Culprits identified in worldwide honeybee die-off

"Over the past few years, there's been some panic over a dramatic decrease in the world's honeybee population, an occurrence that has left many experts scratching their heads. Now it appears as though part of the bee die-off mystery has been solved.

As reported by Kirk Johnson of the New York Times, a somewhat odd pairing of entomologists and military scientists has pinpointed likely culprits: a fungus and a virus, both of which flourish in cool, wet environments. While scientists aren't certain, they believe the fungus and virus work together to hamper the insect's digestive system. Each is relatively harmless on its own, Johnson says, but their combination is deadly....."

Scientists and Soldiers Solve a Bee Mystery

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